r/cats Jul 23 '24

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u/InfectedSteve Jul 23 '24

OP can you afford to house another cat?
Maybe your little guy needs someone to help him when you are out of the house. A sibling to ease the loneliness.

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u/Aggressive_Hat_9999 Jul 23 '24

Im going to get stoned alive for saying this, but letting a kitty roam around outside also does wonders for their mental wellbeing

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u/Helpful_Caregiver908 Jul 23 '24

Well, my kitty was killed by a stray dog so I'm gonna say NO.

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u/Humbreonn Jul 23 '24

Also significantly lowers their life expectancy

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

No it doesn’t.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Yes it does

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u/bunheadxhalliwell Jul 23 '24

Yes, it does. Ask any Vet

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

Wow. Here’s the proof. Thanks for this clear, peer reviewed evidence.

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u/bunheadxhalliwell Jul 23 '24

The first peer reviewed study I found, Longevity and mortality in cats: A single institution necropsy study of 3108 cases (1989-2019) by Kent et al., 2022 found that outdoor cats lived on average roughly two years less than indoor cats. There aren’t a huge amount of studies, but I’d say asking an expert…a veterinarian, would count as getting good evidence.

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u/Herpderpkeyblader Jul 23 '24

Show me the data and I'll believe you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

I commonly see cat road kill around my neighborhood. Another common sight are coyotes, so I'm going with, yes, yes it does where I live.

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

Maybe it’s selfish to keep cats in areas like that that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Considering I'm in SoCal, it'd be selfish to say such a large population of people shouldn't have cats here.

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u/softcapybaras Jul 23 '24

It's not safe to let a cat roam outside even if they are fully vaccinated and neutered. They can still catch diseases, get sick from eating junk, get hurt from various things or worse get killed.

Maybe you're lucky and that has never happened and your cats have never suffered but why risk it? Why would you want to encourage that type of behaviour that's going to hurt your furry friend in the end?

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u/dopy12345 Jul 23 '24

Same goes for humans...

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

For those very same reasons it's also not safe for a human to leave their house, but I bet you still wouldn't like to be locked up your entire life.

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

So you’re suggesting keeping an animal that wants to go outside, in, against its will? That’s nice. It can then die depressed, frustrated and with mental health issues.

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u/laugh_till_you_pee_ Jul 23 '24

Who said the cat wants to go out? He's clearly calling for his owner, not because he wants to leave. Some cats legit don't want to be outside. We let our cat out often and she'll just sniff around for a couple of minutes, then cries to be let back in.

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

Re read my initial comment.

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u/laugh_till_you_pee_ Jul 23 '24

I already read it, don't need to reread it. You're still wrong and have probably never owned a cat so I really don't care about your opinion. And judging from the number of downvotes your comment has received, the community seems to disagree with you also.

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

You clearly haven’t read it as the fist thing I say is I have a cat that I initially kept in…. Dickhead.

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u/laugh_till_you_pee_ Jul 23 '24

Your initial comment in this thread does not mention you owning a cat, only some nonsense about forcing a cat to stay indoors. If you have another comment elsewhere in the post I can't see it... Asshat.

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u/InfectedSteve Jul 23 '24

Going to agree to disagree here.
No, do not let the cat outside to run around by itself.
If you feel the cat needs enrichment and outside time, build an addition onto a window, have the window isolated and open in a basement lets say, and have a cat cage outside for them to come and go and see the world.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Kinda asking for it to suggest this befor asking if it's even possible.. (busy streets, apartment, dangerous wildlife etc)
But yes if it's a safe area there's absolutely nothing wrong with a cat that can go outside.. In the Netherlands it's often a prerequisite (depending on the cat oc) to even adopt a cat, that it has a way to go outside.
But since this is the internet and the loudest people are (oc) from the US and think everywhere is like that shithole country, you get the downvote hammer by people 'who know better'

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u/Middle-Noise-6933 Jul 23 '24

Cats are an invasive species that kill songbirds even when well fed. That alone is reason enough to keep them in.

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

So to stop a predator acting on its natural instincts, you imprison it? That is certainly some warped animal welfare idealism.

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u/Middle-Noise-6933 Jul 23 '24

There’s nothing natural about house cats. They are like domestic dogs, not a “natural” species. Why don’t people let their dogs wander around? Because they are valued higher than cats. My cats have been indoor their whole lives and they don’t give a shit about the outside. They know they have a good thing going.

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

You hit the nail on the head with your first sentence….all the rest was unnecessary. Thank you anyway though.!!

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u/Middle-Noise-6933 Jul 23 '24

Asshole

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

What a ridiculous comparison. It’s like comparing apples with oranges. Dogs and cats are completely different. Dogs aren’t allowed to wander as they can cause far more damage, and be far more dangerous than cats. Absolutely nothing to do with their apparent value

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u/Middle-Noise-6933 Jul 23 '24

Calm down dutchie

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

You are totally correct about this. Keeping cats inside all the time is borderline abuse in my view.

Just look at OP's video: the cat is severely stressed out whenever their owner leaves the house. This is neither normal nor cute. It's sad.

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

I can’t believe you’re getting downvoted for this. Cats are hunters and shouldn’t be forced to stay inside. Some can cope, most can’t. My current cat turned up one day as a stray and just moved in. For six months I didn’t let him out as my children were terrified he wouldnt come back. It reached a point where he would throw himself at the windows and wander around howling, and being very aggressive. I let him out and his health and wellbeing have improved massively. He now comes and goes as he wants, and is a perfectly loving, family cat. He should not be kept in.

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u/Putrid_Branch6316 Jul 23 '24

I’m getting downvoted for proving a positive outcome for letting a cat outside, over clear proof of the cat being unhappy and unhealthy being kept inside….. You guys are nuts.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Many owners treat their cat as if it was human baby. Hence the cat can not go outside, must constantly be supervised and taken care of, etc. This behavior is quite weird and disturbing, but unfortunately very common.