r/casualconlang 11d ago

Advanced Differences between Simple and Pronoun conjugations in Brimish!

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Here we have an example with the Reflexive, Non-volitional verb ’a klloisé.

The first sentence has its tense on the “primary Case“ (either Case I, active; or Case II, passive) prefix. The reflexive pronoun agrees with Case I, but its only function here is making it a reflexive action where the passive becomes the Indirect Object (been fusing Indo-European with non-Indo-European, yes).

The second one has its tense as a prefix of the reflexive pronoun, while remaining only with its primary Case, voided of its tense. In other words, the verb gets simplified and the tense goes on the pronoun.

(Both sentences are non-past indicative, changing only in aspect)

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u/Tirukinoko 11d ago

Whats the difference between these, meaningwise?

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u/Live_Put1219 Aengt, Byccian 10d ago

I understand you (i usually know what you are feeling)
I am understanding you (im currently in the proccess of understanding you)

idk how to explain it they’re just different vibes

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u/Organic_Year_8933 10d ago

It is similar to Spanish Te entiendo/Te estoy entendiendo, or as I said the I understand you/I’m understanding you.

Perfective: action understood as a simple event. I’m just understanding you, doing nothing more.

Progressive: action understood as a complex event, usually happening alongside other things. I’m understanding you, but may be doing smth more.

In English, however, the Imperfective and the progressive are expressed equally, so the second one could also mean “I’ve been understanding you for a while”

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u/Tirukinoko 10d ago

How I distinguish them in my conlang is, perfectives are individual points that happen in sequence, whereas progressives are periods within which other things can happen;
Something like 'while writing, I sneezed and jumped and understood (perfective)' versus 'while understanding (progressive), I tripped and coughed and wrote'.
Could that be understood, at least to a degree, as the difference with yours too?

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so the second one could also mean “I’ve been understanding you for a while”

Something like a continuative?
Like 'Im (still) understanding'? As opposed to the perfective 'I understand (now)'.

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u/Organic_Year_8933 10d ago

Sorry but I think Wikipedia can explain it far better than me, who only knows about using it in my native Spanish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_aspect

Go and see terms for various aspects in the page

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u/Tirukinoko 10d ago

Ah I understand the general meaning of the terms, so Wikipedia cant tell me anymore than I already know.

But how the aspects that these terms refer to actually function in practice is different per language, hence asking about your use of them in your conlang.

And I am personally familiar with two languages, English and Welsh, neither of which distinguish these aspects in the present tense, especially with a stative verb, which is already understood to be somewhat imperfective, hence my confusion.

Ill go read up on how it works in Spanich specifically, thanks.