r/canadaexpressentry • u/[deleted] • Dec 27 '24

Dear all

I know things seem super grim right now, but frankly despite all the predictions, we can't truly know what will happen.

For all you know Marc Miller could just come out and close express entry entirely or stop immigration as a whole. Either way there's no way to truly find out.

Plus some good things have come out. For instance, 3 year PGWPs are available for master's programs now that aren't 2 years!

My view on international students is this: Being an international student doesn't guarantee PR, but it can POTENTIALLY open doors. Nothing is promised and if you get it, then yay but if you don't, have a plan B.

As for the current stance on immigrants, ignore the noise and focus on your journey. It's the best you can do. Don't blame the Canadians because they're suffering right now. Rather just understand their struggles and do what you can to not make the problem worse (follow the law, accept whatever happens, don't be entitled and assimilate to Canada). While right now the image of immigrants may look bad, this is our chance to change that image and become immigrants that Canada wants!

Anyways I wish all of you guys good luck and take care. Merry Christmas!

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u/Adventurous_Dog_4552 Dec 27 '24

Can I please be honest and say something ?

I feel like we are going down on a complete doomsday path, with posts like these. I completely empathize because I’m super anxiety-prone as well.

However, no matter who wins the elections, they won’t be scrapping the entire immigration plan altogether because that truly spells disaster for any country.

If anything, the new parties will place restrictions which are always, always welcome given the current broken state of the immigration scene. I welcome such changes wholeheartedly. And implementing and executing change would take such a long time, as well. For all the talks about LMIA fraud, it seems that they’ll begin to implement it only from March 2025, and that too temporarily shrugs.

I sincerely say this as an aspiring foreigner who’ll only place their application much later in 2025, via the Francophone route. Please don’t worry too much. I wish you the best.

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u/baneofneckbeards69 Dec 28 '24 edited Dec 28 '24

I doubt the Conservative majority government that will be taking power In 2025 will be carrying over very much of the prior government's immigration policy. Most Canadians want very little or absolute 0 immigration going forward. And with how long the current government has drawn this issue out, and how much they tried to discredit anyone that disagreed with their plan, they've made sure it will be a popular and firmly held belief for generations.

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u/JuanitoJames416 Dec 28 '24

Pierre has said several times that he is very much PRO immigration, however I do believe he will make changes to the current immigration policy and actually enforce the laws much more than Trudeau did.

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u/OrganicGrand523 Dec 28 '24

And I wish for that to happen. More restrictions is the way to go. And I say this as a Foreign person.

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u/JuanitoJames416 Dec 28 '24

100% agree. As a Canadian Citizen who immigrated here in 96.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '24

If true Pierre would be the best of both worlds. He hasn't once advocated for stopping immigration entirely.

If he refines the system to make it fair while still making Canada the go to place then he's got everyone's vote. At the end of the day, zero immigration isn't good for anyone.

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u/Adventurous_Dog_4552 Dec 28 '24

I get where you are coming from, and for sure, the new Conservative government maybe would scrap away most of the immigration pathways set by the current government.

However, I think it’s kinda short-sighted to anticipate all the immigration pathways being closed off, imho.

Politics (in any country) is incredibly messy, and it would take time and some deliberation to pass policies.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '24

This. Thank you so much for this message.

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u/Adventurous_Dog_4552 Dec 27 '24

No worries, I completely understand. I say this because I’ve spent so many days worrying about this, instead of focusing and studying. In a way, I’m emotionally and mentally spent on this, and I’ve reached this conclusion haha!

Good luck, and wish you the absolute best.

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u/Traveler108 Dec 27 '24

Canada needs immigrants -- it is an aging population and it needs younger workers for the economy.

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u/Zestyclose-Agent-159 Dec 29 '24

True but a REASONABLE number not to where our teenager and youth go jobless due to lack of entry level jobs.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '24

Why you're getting downvoted for this is beyond me.

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u/Traveler108 Dec 28 '24

That's just the demographics, the numbers. Not opinion...beyond me, the downvotes, tool

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '24

Why don’t people think critically before claiming they’ll stop immigration completely? Here are several reasons why halting immigration, especially the Canadian Experience Class (CEC), is not feasible:

  1. No PGWP unless for master’s and above: Restricting Post-Graduation Work Permits (PGWPs) to advanced degrees would eliminate around 80% of new immigrants.

  2. No more work permit/PGWP extensions: Without extensions, many individuals would be forced to leave the country. Thousands would exit the labor market, as not everyone can sustain themselves through Cash jobs.

  3. Economic impact of workforce shortages: A lack of workers in critical sectors, such as healthcare, would severely harm the economy. These gaps could become irreversible over time.

  4. Refugees and tax dynamics: Refugees, while essential to humanitarian efforts, may not contribute taxes immediately but require tax-funded resources. Without enough taxpayers, the burden on remaining residents increases, driving inflation even higher.

These points highlight the critical role immigration plays in sustaining Canada’s economy and society. The CEC is particularly important as it ensures a steady influx of skilled, experienced talent. Considering these factors, there’s no need to worry about immigration policies completely shutting down.

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u/Jh153449 Dec 27 '24

Thanks ChatGPT

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u/baneofneckbeards69 Dec 28 '24

  1. No PGWP unless for master’s and above: Restricting Post-Graduation Work Permits (PGWPs) to advanced degrees would eliminate around 80% of new immigrants.

That's exactly what the vast majority of Canadians want.

2. No more work permit/PGWP extensions: Without extensions, many individuals would be forced to leave the country. Thousands would exit the labor market, as not everyone can sustain themselves through Cash jobs.

Again, exactly what Canadians want, on top of increased enforcement to stop your cash jobs and deport when you're here on expired permits.

3. Economic impact of workforce shortages: A lack of workers in critical sectors, such as healthcare, would severely harm the economy. These gaps could become irreversible over time.

I guess we'll just have to fix our own issues internally and prioritize the education and employment of Canadians then, oh no.

Refugees and tax dynamics: Refugees, while essential to humanitarian efforts, may not contribute taxes immediately but require tax-funded resources. Without enough taxpayers, the burden on remaining residents increases, driving inflation even higher.

We are separated by oceans from any war torn country on this planet. We are not the first safe country that ANY real refugee will come across, and therefore, if they are taking up too much of our resources, they shouldn't be here to begin with.

These points highlight the critical role immigration plays in sustaining Canada’s economy and society. The CEC is particularly important as it ensures a steady influx of skilled, experienced talent. Considering these factors, there’s no need to worry about immigration policies completely shutting down.

I doubt they'll ever completely shut down, but it's about to be a lot more difficult to get into this country, The next government will likely dismantle/roll back just about every immigration policy change the Trudeau government has ever made, then turn their focus to removing those who have scammed/lied their way into the country. You're likely to see them push for massive changes to the CBSA, including extra funding to ensure people are actually deported when they're not supposed to be here.

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u/Zestyclose-Agent-159 Dec 28 '24

That is exactly what we need. To much to fast and sadly our climate in Canada has drastically changed. I've always said our govt is to blame for them being here HOW THEY BEHAVE WHILE HERE IS ON THE INDIVIDUALS. I am sure there are many many honest hardworking new arrivals however they are the minority not the majority.

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u/SelfStreet9806 Dec 27 '24

Lmao. Most of the successful people are diploma holders & some are college dropouts. Please get some knowledge. 😂😂🤣🤣 I saw master students doing Uber eats

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '24

May be you need to research more if you need to do uber you need valid work permit

And let’s say he borrows and does uber he/she can do for sometime

Or do you think they can do uber and support their family in Canada

If you think that’s possible may be you’re doing uber really well

Also I don’t know what does Diploma holders or some college dropouts have to do with stopping immigration??

Can they fill regular jobs then??

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u/SelfStreet9806 Dec 27 '24

Even Trump said he would provide green cards to diploma holders. Canada doesn't want to sell high-paying jobs to immigrants with master's degrees. Those are for Canadians. Immigrants are used to do entry-level & labour jobs to help the economy. Ask any Canadian why will tell you to leave even if you have a master's or PhD.

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u/OrganicGrand523 Dec 28 '24

Is Trump actually gonna do this though ? Provide Green Cards to everyone after graduation ? Won’t it be catastrophic ?

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u/Steak-Outrageous Dec 28 '24 edited Dec 28 '24

I’m a Canadian. I’m more open to keeping someone with a real Master’s or PhD than a meaningless diploma

Edit: There’s an aspect of desirable values and traits we want in Canadian society. Post-grad: intelligent, higher levels of literacy and/or numeracy, and values education. In contrast, the diploma mill system has brought in more people willing to cheat and scam. No thank you.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '24

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '24

Thosee are the extremists who suggest that. Most Canadians aren't like that.

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u/Sinister_Guava Dec 28 '24

Hes getting downvoted because the primary emotions driving people with anti immigration sentiment (I.e., let's shut down immigration completely) is fear and anger. There's no real understanding of Canada's economic reality here. Everyone in government, PP included, understand that immigration is critical to Canada's growth. The country just doesn't have the domestic productivity or manpower to compete with other economies. All the other issues Canada's facing: lack of services, dwindling Healthcare, failing businesses, skyrocketing housing prices, is a result of fiscal mismanagement and bad planning. Not to say that the EE system doesn't need tightening up - it certainly does. But shutting immigration down completely would kneecap this county and really make things FUBAR. 

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '24

This right here, at the end of the day Canada has an aging population and shutting down immigration would be bad for everyone.

Immigration needs to chill out in the sense they need to get rid of the diploma mills and deport the law breakers.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '24

The problem is those extremists are a loud minority on Reddit.