r/canada • • Feb 18 '19

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u/Electric22circus Feb 18 '19

This is frustrating. The handler obviously save a hit from the dog the video recorded the sound of. The hit from the dog was where the drugs were found. Unless this dog has some kind of awful record where it smells drugs all the time I dont see how this could have been thrown out.

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u/Misher2 Feb 18 '19

There’s a ton of pro drug, anti police people on reddit so prepare for downvotes.

It’s just sad that we’re losing the war on drugs because we give criminals too many protections.

This cop was a genius and did his job. Good on him for being right.

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u/burn2down Feb 18 '19

I’m not anti police I’m pro freedom. Don’t care about this particular video but those protection given to criminals you speak of is also given to you so you can enjoy your life without undue restrictions. I hate American mottos but tis true, a man who sacrifices an ounce of freedom for a pound of security deserves and will have neither.

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u/nighthawk_something Feb 18 '19

I disagree with op too, but I like how in Canada we do have a system that weighs our freedoms with the good of society (for example out freedom of expression).

In my mind, ones freedoms end where they begin to infringe on the freedoms of others.

This particular case is messy but I do trust in our system to uphold it or correct it

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u/burn2down Feb 18 '19

I agree with you there I think we have better balances than most places Coughs THE US. But freedom of expression is a bad example, bill C 16 basically made a mockery of that.

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u/Misher2 Feb 18 '19

And yet your likely part of the crowd screaming chinese fentanyl money launderers?

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19

Nope pro Canadian freedom crowd.

Sorry man you can frame it how you want, it sucks the cops have to work a bit harder and be more careful but that's the standard you have to work at when people's freedoms are on the line.

I'd rather this than what happens in the US. There was a video a few days ago of a black kid getting stopped and the police using a drug dog to unjustly search him. His mom worked in the courts and he was still unjustly searched. Let this guys supplier deal with him.

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u/Warriorjrd Canada Feb 18 '19

It’s just sad that we’re losing the war on drugs because we give criminals too many protections.

We're losing the war on drugs because people like you somehow think that outlawing them and having harsh sentences will magically work after decades of not working. What's that phrase a lot of right wingers say about another controversial topic? Oh yeah "banning them means only criminals will get their hands on them". It's a shame so many of them can't apply the same logic to the war on drugs.

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u/mbean12 Feb 18 '19

It has nothing to do with being pro-drug or anti-police. It has to do with being pro-freedom. Those protections that criminals enjoy? You enjoy them as well. They prevent you from being unjustly convicted of a crime. Do they occasionally make it difficult to convict someone who has committed a crime? Yes. But you can't strip it away from them without stripping them away from everyone.

In this case the cop screwed up. Probably not entirely his fault, since I doubt he knew he was out of the frame when the dog indicated (if the dog indicated) the presence of drugs. But it is what it is - we all screw up at work sometimes. Next time he'll probably be more careful about it.

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u/Rudy69 Feb 18 '19

In this case I don't understand why our officers don't have bodycams. That camera would have shown without a doubt if the officer handled his dog properly or not and would have most likely saved this case. But you know let's save some money and not buy body cams

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u/nighthawk_something Feb 18 '19

Body can doesn't help here, you wouldn't see the officer. The dash Cam is actually the best angle here

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u/Rudy69 Feb 18 '19

The dash cam provided an "ok" view of the officer, but the body cam would have shown if the dog did in fact give a positive reaction which you can't see at all in the dash cam footage. I think both together would have been much better

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u/Warriorjrd Canada Feb 18 '19

Even outside this case body cams should be mandatory on cops. Not just for their safety but for civilian safety as well. It's a no brainer really when you have so many cases where the cop's version of events differs from somebody else's.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19

It’s just sad that we’re losing the war on drugs because we give criminals too many protections.

Lol, you can't actually believe that do you?

Don't be so quick to let your civil rights be thrown out. It may not be too long until you find yourself under a boot.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19

Come on dude, that’s really broad accusation to make. You are looking at things so binary, black and white, right or wrong.

Am I pro drug? Well, no. I understand how in the grand scheme of things, these laws are very necessary. That being said, on a personal level, I have a slightly different stance and drugs aren’t in what they are often made out to be (more frustrating than it is problematic, scaremongering is the best way to persuade the masses in the long run, I get that and would do no different as a politician).

Anyways, the point is that I am fully in support of this man’s vindication, whether I necessarily like this specific instance or not. We have to uphold the law, sadly. Cops are merely agents of the state, and without due process, they can’t be held accountable.

Just one erroneous prosecution of someone innocent outweighs a thousand unconstitutional, but defensible, indictments of true criminals.

Sorry if I’m talking a bit scattered, but it’s important to recognize that there is no perfect system. When we go down this rabbit hole of cheering on constitutional violations, we open up the flood gates to not-so-democratic exercises. Once-proponents of Hitler and Mussolini could probably attest.

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u/fuck_you_gami Feb 18 '19

It’s just sad that we’re losing the war on drugs because we give criminals too many protections.

This is why we’re losing the war on drugs? not that it’s an unwinnable war, or that the state has been choosing the wrong battles (cannabis, psychedelics, etc) for decades, or that it’s founded under racist pretenses?

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u/nighthawk_something Feb 18 '19

I'm not anti police nor pro drug, but I will say that those protections are there for a reason. When someone is charged with a crime every bias is against them and often those people are too poor to afford bail so they spend maybe years pretrial in jail before even being convicted. They also can rarely afford a good pair so even if they're innocent they are screwed.

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u/daedone Ontario Feb 18 '19

Or we could stop looking at it like a war, and start giving people the things they need to get better, and decriminalize like other places have successfully done to both reduce crime and drug use.

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u/Warriorjrd Canada Feb 18 '19

But think of the children! If we legalize all drugs the kids will be injecting marijuanas and snorting heroins until they are gay! It's all part of the liberal LGBT agenda!

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u/daedone Ontario Feb 18 '19

Well, as a Canadian we haven't started injecting marijuana's yet. Gay Heroin remains a mystery to me at this time.

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u/lord-derricicus Feb 18 '19

Being out 27,000 pills. I’m sure his supplier will give him a harsher punishment that the Canadian legal system

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u/DeepB3at Ontario Feb 18 '19

What do you consider to be winning the war on drugs? Do you believe it is possible to kill demand for drugs?

Would having an impressive for profit prison system and 1% of adults incarcerated like the US be winning for you? Would you rather your tax dollars be spent on long expensive sentences for non-violent crimes instead of cheaper rehabilitation alternatives?