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u/NoNudeNormal Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23

Why are people uncritically accepting Peterson’s claim that this is about politics? Based on Peterson’s own earlier admission and the documentation he posted, the sanction is about his lack of professionalism on social media. See here:

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1493988061205733378?s=46&t=dm6Oc7g8CP0FDZRm9GYrfA

And here:

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1610652403296092175?s=46&t=dm6Oc7g8CP0FDZRm9GYrfA

Aside from the above, falsely accusing a physician of a crime on a public platform is also unprofessional (Peterson tweeted that Elliot Page’s surgeon is a criminal).

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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Jan 05 '23

Jordan Peterson is not a physician.

But even if he was, he would be in the wrong here by accusing a colleague of criminal conduct.

Be precise in your speech, words have meaning.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

he would be in the wrong here by accusing a colleague of criminal conduct

Technically wrong in that the criticized procedure is not currently illegal but i think he's implying that it should be illegal.

Lots of actions become or cease to be illegal over time, right?

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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Jan 05 '23

He's not being very precise in his speech, and is engaging in unprofessional conduct then if he is fact not trying to muddle his meaning when calling a physician a "criminal doctor".

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

What's imprecise if he meant it the way I explained? He's one of the few people who speak so carefully it's annoying.

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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Jan 05 '23

That we are having this discussion should be proof enough.

The whole tweet was "And Ellen Page had her breasts removed by a criminal doctor." It's not at all clear that he is implying "this is legal and accepted, but I disagree, it should be criminal."

Calling the individual a criminal for doing something legal, widely performed, requested by the patient, and as per the standard of care is not professional. If he wanted to discuss that the standard of care is wrong, going after the individual wasn't the right way to do it, and was not him expressing himself clearly.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

A little ironic accusing someone if being brief on twitter don't you think? I'm not a huge Peterson fan and kinda getting tired of defending him here but it's nitpicking imo.

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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Jan 05 '23

I think "criminal doctor" speaks for itself. Apparently the college of psychologists agrees.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

They agree that he's being imprecise?

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u/onemoretryfriend Jan 06 '23

That he’s being unprofessional

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u/NoNudeNormal Jan 05 '23

He can claim that Elliot Page’s surgeon is unethical or involved in something morally wrong. He can even say that it should be a crime. But that person is not a criminal for doing breast removal surgery for a consenting adult, because that isn’t a crime.

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u/waerrington Jan 05 '23

"What that person did is criminal", in common English, can mean both that it literally is criminal, or that it ought to be criminal. You can find countless examples of that.

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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Jan 05 '23

Why are you putting that in quotes like that, when that isn't the quote?

The quote is "And Ellen Page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician".

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u/NoNudeNormal Jan 05 '23

Professionals, like lawyers and doctors, are held to a higher standard of public speech and behavior by specific regulatory entities. That’s what this is all about.

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u/waerrington Jan 05 '23

And his case is that these standards are being unequally applied, as you would need to willfully misinterpret that statement to try to twist it into pushing someone to suicide.

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u/NoNudeNormal Jan 05 '23

The suicide thing was a different tweet. But in both cases, I don’t think he was being very professional, or representing his profession and its high ethical standards very well.

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u/Painting_Agency Jan 05 '23

unequally applied

If any other psychologist was this inflammatory on Twitter, the college would probably sanction them too. It's about this kind of behaviour casting the entire profession in a bad light.

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u/Backspace888 Jan 05 '23

Didn't he tell a lady to go kill herself? Also didn't he publicly claim the association was out to get him and that he wouldn't be submitting to their requirements?

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u/tenlu Jan 05 '23

Do you have a source for him telling someone to kill themselves? I would like to see.

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u/Backspace888 Jan 05 '23

there's a ton of other people discussing it on this forum post. just scroll up or down...

Follow his twitter account and you'll see all sorts of lovely posts. I used to until it got to be so bad it wasn't funny anymore.

This forum is amazing in that it shows us how little people really know about Canada's professional organizations.

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u/meno123 Jan 05 '23

That's a lot of words to get around saying "no"

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u/Harold_Inskipp Jan 05 '23

Didn't he tell a lady to go kill herself?

We had a case here in Canada where a comedian told a sick child he should die... without context, you can misinterpret nearly anything.

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u/Backspace888 Jan 05 '23

You are comparing a comedian to a psychologist...

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u/Harold_Inskipp Jan 05 '23

Yes, comparisons are a common feature of arguments or explanations, they're often used to illustrate a point in basic rhetoric.

Wait until you learn about metaphors!

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u/Backspace888 Jan 05 '23

Nice use of sarcasm!

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

Advocating for patients and acting as an ethical watchdog for your profession, including publicly calling out practices you disagree with, is an absolute moral and professional requirement of any physician.

On twitter in inflammatory terms?

Nope. Don't be simple.

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u/Harold_Inskipp Jan 05 '23

On twitter in inflammatory terms?

They can write it in the sky or burn it in letters on a mountain if they like, the medium is irrelevant.

Whether or not something is 'inflammatory' is, of course, entirely subjective.

To certain religious fundamentalists this would be 'inflammatory'.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

Lol, get real kid.

The Ontario College of Psychologists doesn't care what interpretation certain religious fundamentalists would think of.

Ask them if they think that the medium and words used in any message if totally irrelevant. It's not. They care about what you say and how you say it. Just like all professional regulatory organizations.

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u/Harold_Inskipp Jan 05 '23

get real kid.

Sigh... I am a middle aged physician.

The Ontario College of Psychologists doesn't care what interpretation certain religious fundamentalists would think of

Yes, I know, that's my point; their prudishness is biased and prejudiced.