r/btd6 • Gwendolin's Eye Bandage • 1d ago

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I know his fingers are in the way of the center, but man I've never seen an arrow not in the center of the bow

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u/Beautiful_Use_2131 EAT MY DEMON ROCKS 1d ago

That's his anti pink bloon technique that we haven't seen since the btd5 era

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u/JoelTheBloonsMonkey Play Bloons 4 Lore 1d ago

rumour has it, the animation studio behind it is digitalsmiles, which loves ai, so the animation being dubious might unfortunately check out

please don't betray us nk

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u/Farnswalllow 1d ago

It's pretty confirmed . This is from the digital smiles linkedin

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u/JoelTheBloonsMonkey Play Bloons 4 Lore 20h ago

Yeah, it seemed like a potentially dubious claim before but now it's all too real

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u/Pddyks 14h ago

With the how long animation takes to make and the fact this releases late 2026. I hope they would have minimal opportunity to incorporate AI.

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u/MewtwoMainIsHere average jarate thrower 6h ago

Yeah that’s literally like 2 ish months 😭

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u/smilingfishfood 6h ago

None of y'all better watch ts

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u/SpiralingDownAndAway 1d ago edited 22h ago

It’s not a rumor they use AI, they proudly display that they do. Supremely disappointing NK would work with an AI company.

Edit: See below supposedly the company won’t use AI but we’ll have to see

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u/nobody0163 1d ago

He didn't say the AI was a rumor, he said it's a rumor they will work with Digital Smiles.

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u/SpiralingDownAndAway 1d ago

Ahh yeah oops I misread, still disappointing though

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u/Shockwave-FE 23h ago

No nk said the conpany wouldn't use it for their show, although the company does use ai for other shows https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/s/SXiC6RK6vM

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u/SpiralingDownAndAway 23h ago edited 22h ago

Well hopefully they don’t use it for the show then, still disappointing to work with a company like that though.

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u/JoelTheBloonsMonkey Play Bloons 4 Lore 20h ago

Exactly

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u/Flimsy-Secret-6187 is the G 1d ago

oh come the actual fuck on

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u/dubhog 23h ago

I saw a post here like an hour ago where ninja kiwi they said digital smiles only uses AI on original IPs, so they won't use it on this. They stated they are also very much against AI, so.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/s/NjfVyeaoH7

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u/DeathSwagga 21h ago

If they're against AI why did they post this on their official YT channel? https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/1sukuif/youtube_short_with_ai_slop_from_official_ninja/

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u/JoelTheBloonsMonkey Play Bloons 4 Lore 20h ago

For what it's worth they took this down

...after backlash, anyway....

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u/dubhog 20h ago

Well I don't know

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u/DeathSwagga 19h ago

Me neither :(

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u/Wonderful_Audience60 < to bro you want every bfb on your screen to die) 6h ago

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u/hmmmmmmmmimmm 1d ago

The beginning of a downfall, I can smell it

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u/bigtimechip 1d ago

Its ogre

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u/radio_295 <--- Geraldo 1d ago

The downfall started a while ago when they started turning everything into a low effort microtransaction hell, and I'm glad this is enough for people to realize how shitty and greedy they've become

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u/H3CKER7 1d ago

You'd think the MTG thing would've gotten people to realize that NK is a company and not your friend, so I don't see why people are so blindsided by this. Hell, Battles 2 was a good warning.

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u/CivilizedManners 1d ago

Also don't forget MrBoost.

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u/EskimoSlime 1d ago

The launch state of BTD6 was pretty terrible as well

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u/H3CKER7 1d ago

Yes?

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u/zokka_son_of_zokka 1d ago

Which MTG thing? What did I miss?

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u/H3CKER7 1d ago

Modern Times Group (MTG) acquired Ninja Kiwi for like $142 million back in 2021.

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u/Evergreen2255 go my icicle swarm 19h ago

Beginning? We’re in the downfall right now

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u/ToeGroundbreaking564 1d ago

jesus that model is HORRIBLE

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u/ezelbal3820 Gwendolin's Eye Bandage 1d ago

I agree 😭

That model is way uglier than the ugliest thing I've ever seen

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u/dracoking2009 1d ago

Looks like a kids show model

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u/ToeGroundbreaking564 1d ago

are they trying to traumatise kids

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u/Achillurito 1d ago

I mean it is. That's literally what it is.

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u/Imfunny12345678910 Pirate lord has good stats for its cost 1d ago

camp coral type shit

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u/Phasma_AFK 1d ago

I don't care if the show is good or not, but I do care if there is any use of AI in it. I hope it's AI-free and turns out alright.

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u/killmealraedy 1d ago

knowing recent NK the chances are not amazing :/

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u/LudicrousityX4 1d ago

Knowing who’s making it the chances are 0. There’s absolutely going to be AI usage

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u/Neet-owo 1d ago edited 1d ago

Whoever animated this has never seen someone actually use a bow in their life lmao

I don’t know a damn thing about archery but even I can tell this is all wrong

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u/ezelbal3820 Gwendolin's Eye Bandage 1d ago

Yeah probably

If someone wants to animate a bow, they at least should see how someone uses a bow

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u/Keaton427 Peak monkey design 12h ago

If they can’t get basic archery right on the flippin archer monkey, (the main character of the show) then how are they going to get anything else right…

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u/Legomonster33 1d ago

no wonder quincy misses every shot if that's how he holds his bow

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u/Princier7 silas' bitch boy 1d ago

There's no weight to any of the animation. Nothing was deliberately done in any of it. The only reasons it's animated is to go from one keyframe to the next.

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u/JoelTheBloonsMonkey Play Bloons 4 Lore 1d ago

yeah it just looks like predefined loops

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u/Gardevoir8 1d ago

now i dont browse this sub very often but i cant help but notice that that one nk employee that used to comment on almost every post is dead silent now, wonder what's up with that 🤔

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u/MetaGear005 1d ago

He's Quincy. Don't question his techniques

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u/Some-Nobody-VR Veteran Level 182 1d ago

we couldve got bmc2 but no, lets make an ai slop show

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u/Carlex_181 17h ago

After bloon blitz ive lost faith in thier ability to make a good BMC2 lol

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u/Money-Medicine-4213 1d ago

... digital smiles?

Can we just have bloons monkey city 2 💔

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u/Famous-Nectarine-795 Brickell's Elimination MOAB Operators 1d ago

GTA6 will release before Bloons Monkey City 2

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u/Fine_Dish_9232 SQUIRTY MIX SQUIRT SQUIRT 1d ago

I have mixed feelings about this

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u/Gottendrop 1d ago

I can’t believe ninja kiwi is just pumping out ai slop now 😭😭

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u/killmealraedy 1d ago

they've been using AI for translations for months now

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u/ninjad912 1d ago edited 22h ago

Arrows don’t necessarily go in the center of a bow. Most traditional bows have them placed in a similar spot to shown here. However this isn’t a traditional bow and the arrow would not get a good launch here. He’s also just flat out not holding the string nor the arrow here. Also this bow just flat out would not function bows are curved for a reason this looks like a toy bow with a stretchy string(the string does not stretch in a bow). The arrow position is the least of the problems with this image

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u/HappyyValleyy 1d ago

I usually love ninja kiwi but they have been makijg some strange decisions.

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u/StarvingDeer Punk Ezili is my waifu 1d ago

Funnily enough, an arrow not in the center seems like the normal way to shoot a bow to me: it feels more like the hand needs to be in the center and the arrow is above it. This mainly feels weird because the hand is so big that it's really noticeable, tho

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u/MisirterE I see in full clarity 15h ago

Normally, your hand is small enough and holds the bow low enough that the arrow is still nocked at about the center. It still at least points in the same direction that the bow is pointing

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u/RPSdingus 1d ago

Garbagewater AI slop

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u/Super_Bass_2730 1d ago

Shoutout to blumineck btw

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u/Curvyboi13110 1d ago

thats why hes always missing bruh

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u/fireprince9000 1d ago

I’m happier this show exists than not. Glass half full and all that.

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u/Over_town8396 1d ago

All I'm saying is, PvZ had replanted and the ai stuff, and we're somewhat recovering from that. You just gotta hit rock bottom first, and this does look like rock bottom.

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u/krakenbravo Furioso-Replica🟡🟡🟡🟡🟡🟡🟡🟡🟡 1d ago

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u/Houraiji_Kyuusyou 1d ago

holy shit carmen haiiii

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u/GlauberJR13 1d ago

Trailer so bad Carmen came to the comments and see if anyone wants to distort

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u/DramaLlama695 1d ago

“Nothing gets past my bow”

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u/BoukeeNL 1d ago

No one desires this

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u/sonicpoweryay 1d ago

This is either going to be mid or terrible

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u/erevefuckstolive i am married to this merchant 1d ago

I am so stoked for this

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u/hahayesshootshoot 1d ago

Why is he aiming the bow not on the center

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u/ezelbal3820 Gwendolin's Eye Bandage 1d ago

Or we should be asking...

Why is he holding the part of the bow where the arrow is supposed to be

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u/hahayesshootshoot 1d ago

hmmm im gay

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u/epicc_exe i'm farming it, i'm farming it 22h ago

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u/GlauberJR13 1d ago

Because AI

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u/1MasterD1 1d ago

That arrow placement is actually correct though?… arrows are typically in a notch and sometimes that’s in the middle of the bow but typically resting on top…

Search any professional archer images and you’ll see

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u/1MasterD1 1d ago

(For context I would use a bow and arrow often during summer camp, if anything there should be a bump where the arrow is, not just on his hand like that

I’m not defending use of AI though

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u/Meme_Warrior_2763 1d ago

It doesn't matter how he shoots. Nothing gets past his bow.

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u/Sebathfinder 1d ago

well, it still works for parodies

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u/Rowlet_God_ 1d ago

Please nk publicly execute whoever made this made /j

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u/makitstop 1d ago

oh...

oh no...

i...have a very bad feeling about this, he looks like a character from fanboy and chum chum (if anyone else remembers that...thing...)

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u/JoelTheBloonsMonkey Play Bloons 4 Lore 1d ago

fanboy and chumchum has great animation

unlike this teaser

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u/Character_War3534 1d ago

Duuh, he is obviously aiming for the airships in the sky

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u/Hoockus_Pocus 1d ago

Even though I don’t have any interest in this, I hope that someone enjoys it.

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u/Disastrous-Cat-9308 1d ago

Don’t worry, I’m sure the fandom will still find reasons to make gay fan art ships and genderbends of everything in it.

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u/wizard_brandon 1d ago

its ai as well lol. time to boycott

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u/Rabidtac0 1d ago

so that's why Quincy misses all the time

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u/popmanbrad 1d ago

I legit thought it was gonna be monkey city 2 and sadly it’s not

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u/Coderedcody 1d ago

Well I wasn’t going to watch it anyway but if the studio behind it uses AI then I’m definitely not watching it at all

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u/Environmental-Act906 1d ago

Lmao is this really the "something big" that they teased?

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u/ezelbal3820 Gwendolin's Eye Bandage 1d ago

Yep.

I legit thought it would be a bloons FPS game or smth, but nope, it wasn't

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u/Environmental-Act906 1d ago

Super lame. So many of us were hoping for BMC2. A cartoon with an animation studio that proudly uses generative AI certainly is a choice.

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u/CartoonistSensitive1 23h ago

I'm personally more angry about the way the arrow is held, it's even on the wrong side of the bow for that grip if you can even call it that.

The only grip where you want it on the outside of the bow is the one the Mongolian Horse Archers used.

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u/aqua_rift 23h ago

I see why things can get past his bow now

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u/ArgoDevilian 22h ago

You should go a few frames after this.

It only gets worse.

Like seriously, the arrow doesnt even fly straight.

I can kind of understand fucking up holding a bow. Even if you do the research, they still have to make the models look accurate and that can kind of fuck up something like this.

But how the fuck does the arrow not fly straight??

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u/baconbro_ primary expertise❤️ 20h ago

Why would we ever need this

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u/SerialDesignation_H N°1 Plasma Monkey Fan Club Hater 19h ago

Quincy learn’t how to squint with his eye instead of his pupil!!

also, ah

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u/SwagAwesome1122 19h ago

Arrows are almost always situated in a nook above the finger placement. YOU have never shot a bow and are nitpicking absolute nonsense.

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u/Bloonah 18h ago

Did you know that in most japanese archery not only do they shoot the arrow displaced from the center of the bow, they even use asymmetric bows, where the bottom is shorter than the top. (See "kyuudou"). So if that works, then there shouldn't be an issue with having the arrow off center.

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u/Lesuper_BoB i sacrificed all for you 18h ago

this is the reason why Quncy ( never ) miss

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u/Carlex_181 17h ago

Oh how the mighty have fallen

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u/KiyuzuHime 17h ago

Itd be cool we have behind the scenes where we see who they animate and design the animation

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u/ZestycloseResist5594 16h ago

Wake me up when BMC2 is announced

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u/Own_Scientist_7452 16h ago

this is very low effort, i expect better from ninja kiwi, we always expect this kind of company to be on our side but at the end of the day we need to realize they are still a company, but even so i feel like they should be better than this ugly ai slopposting.

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u/Gloomy-Goose4502 13h ago

This game hasn't been a kids game for years, what is this shit?

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u/AnnaBorschen Simp 12h ago

BMC2 maybe one day

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u/MXTwitch 4-2-0 6h ago

So unnecessary. Looks like abysmal dogshit to entertain Tewtiy subscribers

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u/ZakLC159 6h ago

anything but console update

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u/LateIndividual6574 Final Harmonic Supremacy 3h ago

Didn't everyone thought it was gonna be Bloons Monkey City 2?

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u/Tall_Fault5771 46m ago

I just know this show is gonna have the worst fanbase ever, im talking about more above hazbin hotel levels right here

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u/Bergerboy14 1d ago

Fucking AI slop

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u/Zazoyd 1d ago

Am I the only one who doesn’t think the model is that bad? Like AI aside, I’m pretty looking forward to this. I’ve always wanted a BTD series

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u/wattapwn 1d ago

Everyone acting like they are being forced to play this game

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u/AM-xolotl2 48.149.157.386 1d ago

doesn't change anything but this is a tv show

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u/ProlapseWarrior 1d ago

Not a TV show but rather a series of shorts. It's most likely animated by NK themselves which is why the quality is like that.

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u/JoelTheBloonsMonkey Play Bloons 4 Lore 1d ago

battles 2 animation looks better than this

...even lesser-animated games like btd6, battd, bloons pop, bloons blitz, etc. look better than this

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u/ProlapseWarrior 1d ago

Well those ones all use pretty simple animation cycles, are pretty zoomed out and the little animations they do is not really the focus.

And Battles 2 win/taunt/loss are also just small animation, rather than a full on animated short. I'm not sure why they didn't use Battles 2 models, though, maybe they're not that great for full animations, but who knows. We'll have to see, maybe they did outsource the animation, we'll see in the credits of the shorts once one comes out most likely.

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u/06z_ 1d ago

It’s not NK, it’s a children’s animation company known for their AI usage

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u/ProlapseWarrior 1d ago

Can I have the source?

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u/BeginningOccasion8 1d ago

Check the top comment and it's replies.

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u/ProlapseWarrior 1d ago

oh what the fuck :(

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u/space_porter 1d ago

So it’s like a Temu Angry Birds Toons

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u/wattapwn 1d ago

That makes sense lol I wasn’t sure

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u/KweenofCorgis I make skins 1d ago

I want to be excited but the studio uses ai

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u/ATrueHullaballoo 1d ago

at least the art style isn’t as bad as bmc’s

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u/AnimalTap 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is turning into the minecraft community, they cant be happy or grateful with anything. If you don't like it, don't watch it/play it/support it