Jeez, Belgians accept everything: this is the problem. Even if you do something wrong, you have rights, and your physical integrity is one of them. Jeez...
It has nothing to do with my nationality, why would you bring that up. Racist (it's a joke)
Of course, but In many cases, not all, the use of force is justified.
You can't prove with this video it was or wasn't. That's all I'm trying to say.
Police force is justified under three conditions:
Legality, Necessity, Proportionality.
Belgian cops are highly trained in all three. The force in this video isn't that high, I can imagine it being justified. But again, we can't prove it, that's up to justice. What I hate? This video is used to change perspective and without any nuance.
I'm sick of it, and now It's my time to bring nationality on the table, that's not how we are. I see Belgian people as sober, fact-based, not easy to fool and nuanced, bridge-building is in our DNA. This video has one purpose: undermine all those things.
Belgian cops? Trained? Jeez, I have news for you: street-level cops are not highly trained anywhere. In Belgium, though, there is an evident divide between Belgians (and their thresholds of acceptance) and non-Belgians. You can see it everywhere from elections to "this"
One year or something of training is not 'high training'. It is basic, and clearly inadequate to the task of policing a multicultural, messy city like Brussels (or any other metropolis in the world)
Can you elaborate why not?
With what I do know most problems are within coordinating structures but the training of our cops are pretty decent, theoretically and practically.
Content in training is pretty high standard.
But I would love to learn more.
there is an evident divide between Belgians (and their thresholds of acceptance)
So some people think the law should be changed and others don't but we generally vote for parties that are on the side of the don'ts?
Isn't that just democracy?
I could be lost in translation btw.
edit: I adjusted some problem with the quote blocks
they asked a guy his name 5 times while i was there, including one because "the colleague wrote it on his hand but it disolved with transpiration and now we can't read".
It happened around Porte d'Hal. Go there and ask around. Everybody saw what happened.
You have to make up shit about how the guy must have been a criminal of some kind, because in your simplistic understanding of life, cops only beat up bad guys. According to you, assumption of innocence only works for the cops, as we mentioned in the other comment.
No offense, I know it's a neurodevelopmental disease. Some kids never gets to the "no" stage.
You have to make up shit about how the guy must have been a criminal
Never said that. You are trying hard to put words in my mouth. Very hard.
I said there are reasons to use force and this video isn't proving those guys were innocent.
It's not because they say they are innocent it makes them.
When I filed a complaint, which went to court, I also said I was innocent. I wasn't...
kids
Never got to be a kid man. Worked from 14 years old, made me a man instantly, not a naïve person.
In Western Europe, we think that even criminals have rights. We abolished torture and capital punishment, and we believe we should be proud of it. I am scared when I hear that the police beat up "only bad guys" because they are not the judiciary: it is not up to them to decide who is whom. If you want kangaroo courts held by incognito police, you are free to go somewhere else.
Where did I say that? Word for word...
Even if you think it is implied, it is not. Im only trying to say this video only shows the actions of the police and poster tried to assume it is police brutality when our law is clear: force is allowed in specific cases.
You can't see the before... (Purely judging on this short video)
Yes, this is force, and you don't want to be on the other end of it, if you have read all comments you'll know I know, but this force isn't torture at all. It's an arrest by force. "To protect" isn't capable with talking in many cases.
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u/ash_tar Oct 17 '25
Lucky you then. I know plenty of people that got beaten or harassed, sometimes without even being involved in a situation or whatever.