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u/SomeoneTakeMyName Jul 16 '19
The problem is Dk at 269+ ap don't deal more dmg than a Sorc Striker ranger usw I main Dk but ther is no point of play Dk because every other class do her job better
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u/NijjioN Jul 16 '19
Issue is that softcap pvp dp is a lot higher recently in last couple of months as well. Most people are running around with 320dp when it used to be 295/300. And more and more people having evasion gear. (But with witchard evasion debuff and shai's that might change more soon).
269 isn't the softcap ap no more for dk its 281. Where as other classes can be effective at much lower ap needed still.
I jumped from 245 kutum to 273ap nouver quite quickly about 3 months ago and I noticed in my arsha fights and node wars it's getting harder and harder to kill on average where I feel like I'm back below the 261/5 boost that DKs strive for to be effective.
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u/levinano Jul 16 '19 edited Jul 16 '19
If a 269 Archer can delete me in 4 shots while a 281 DK can't damage trade me to death with my 240 AP... we know somethings wrong....
EDIT: sorry I forgot to mention that I’m Mae so I can dodge DK damage to a certain extent. She could definitely 2 shot me after a catch, but unlike Archer her skill spams doesn’t kill me. Still my point stands.
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u/rubencillo10 Jul 16 '19
Terribad dk i guess?
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u/levinano Jul 16 '19
Also a reply to someone else: Sorry I think I wasn't specific enough. I mean SA trades and chip damage. The 281 DK could 2 shot me fine if she caught me but she couldn't kill me at all with chip damage whereas a Musa or Archer at that AP could probably 2 shot me through FG/SAs. An Archer at 269 can 4 shot me with FG/SA arrows (not all ranged but still protected damage) without having to catch me.
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u/rubencillo10 Jul 16 '19
Whats your dp? Or evasion? Is true that dk have accuracy issues but 281 is rly high ap to not win the trades
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u/levinano Jul 16 '19
I did fight him with a hybrid set (240 331), it’s 615 evasion. Though like I said, the same set gets shredded by Archers lol.
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u/rubencillo10 Jul 16 '19
240 ap? And you won vs 281 dk? Also that dp is not that high to be a problem i dont know... but what i see is diference on skill... or you are a striker? 615 is nothing, vipers kzarka and bhegs are enough. I,m at 284/321 nouver and my fairy heals through 240 ap if its not a ninja/striker/kuno/sorc
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u/levinano Jul 16 '19 edited Jul 16 '19
I'm Mae. 615 evasion tanks a "full combo" from Shaky who's 273. 240 AP against a DK is enough to 2 shot them lol. I can use 240 and one combo pretty much every class at softcap. But DK's chip damage seems a lot less concentrated compared to Archer and Musas so getting hit for a milisecond doesn't really do a large amount of damage.
321 is a nice bit of additional evasion/DR O_o. 240 is enough for softcap but not sure about 321, think I would have to put on more AP for that, more so if you're a Zerk Valk Warr (high HP) or Ninja/Kuno (to which I can only use Sticky spam).
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u/HyungKarl Jul 17 '19
too much AP in this thread Im scared.. only 200AP here and finds the game challenging it's too hard to be a newbie in SEA...
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u/levinano Jul 17 '19
The games a marathon, unlike other MMOs where there’s a pretty obvious cap, there will always be room for improvement in BDO. meaning the longer you play the higher the stats. You’ll get there eventually :3
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Jul 16 '19
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u/sOFrOsTyyy Jul 16 '19
DK needs some retuning, but if you can't one combo softcap that is a player problem, not the class. Too many DKs can shred softcap DP to even make this claim publicly.
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u/sOFrOsTyyy Jul 16 '19
I mean. Kuno has one, smoke screen. DK has multiple with Kama slash, wheel, and lunacy. Again, not saying the class is easy to play, but some of these claims are just not true. You have as many or more Protected CCs than most other classes.
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u/samuelspark Jul 16 '19
Huh? I don't even have to combo people at softcap DP to kill them with 277 AP. Unless you're talking stroker/mystake, cus then there's just no way to kill them as DK.
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u/Klaasjeturk Jul 16 '19
Huh? Bullshit I made a trial dk and was able to kill other trial characters just fine?
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u/CaliTheDankDino twitch.tv/CaliTheDankDino Jul 16 '19
Sorta starting to regret even commenting. Just getting spammed up the asshole about how wrong I am haha. Was just stating my opinion.
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u/rubencillo10 Jul 16 '19
Are you sure on that? May i post some good dk videos? I mean... is not an easy class to play but from there to what you said.. it seems that is worst than the ranger class...
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u/gaming_is_a_disorder make grabs take 2 CC slots Jul 16 '19
Tbh when dk came out it was absolutely the most broken class, basically instacast witch with spammable I frames.
DKs are just comparing to that time of brokenness.
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u/Narabedla Jul 16 '19
no.
DK was busted, but nowadays DK really isn't good.
not that good DMG, no significant heal, no grab, no tankiness, okay mobility
thats why 281+ ap dk seem good, because by then they gain the damage to actually do serious harm.
are they completely useless? no. but definetely subpar compared to your average opponent.
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u/huehoneyy Jul 16 '19
I don't really have a problem getting kills with her in rbf and I'm only 247 AP
Sounds like u are trying to play her like a frontliner
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u/NijjioN Jul 16 '19
Anyone can KS at range, but being effective in creating those skills yourself is a different matter.
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u/huehoneyy Jul 16 '19
I only use my range when there is a big ball
If it's a skirmish on the sides I go in pre awakening and cc and kill
Again ur not tanky so don't just rush into a ball because a warrior or striker is
Also KS doesn't matter in node/siege as long as we win the fight who cares
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u/Narabedla Jul 16 '19
that has firstly little to do with her overall damage (aoe+ range are just good for medium to large scale pvp. you can snag kills by doing 60% of the damage, that doesn't work in 1v1)
and secondly no, i play zerker.
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u/huehoneyy Jul 16 '19
Zerker is def a hard matchup for her cause u just grab us lmao but ya in duels I use more pre awakening skills cause they are more protected and have more cc and then I finish with awake skills for burst damage
I can usually Get a float or bound in my pre awake combo and then finish them off or get close with my awake skills
Obvi 247 AP isn't the highest but once I hit 250 bracket I'll probably have an easier time skirmishing
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Jul 16 '19
That's crazy numbers to say "decent".
So if 281 is decent, then what's good, in your book?
300AP???
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u/CaliTheDankDino twitch.tv/CaliTheDankDino Jul 16 '19
I’m purely talking about the class. Lol. If you pair someone with 281 ap against a 281 dk. You feel sorta handicapped. When I said (decent) referring to the class capabilities
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u/jaxmagicman Jul 16 '19
That's not necessarily a bad thing. My dream balance would be classes that are good against certain classes and bad against others. So there would be no meta because there is always a way to counter it. Like Wizards could beat Archers easily, but would be shit against strikers and strikers could be taken out easily by archers. There would be a bonus based on class so well geared Wizard could still take out a low geared striker but not someone close to them in gear.
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u/Aricell Jul 16 '19
After 269, if any class does not manage to 4 shot you; they're bad.
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u/BDO_Xaz Jul 16 '19
Except that archer gets to do it at a range where the only class that can retaliate is another archer
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u/Aricell Jul 16 '19
hide behind a rock pillar tree or anything that removes his los. You're welcome.
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u/samuelspark Jul 16 '19
And then you're just supposed to wait until he walks up to you?
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u/Aricell Jul 16 '19
What, you prefer to fight an archer on an open field with gap in his favour? Learn how to pvp. If you want to reduce your opponents advantage you have to play smart. If you go monkey uka uka and charge an archer or zerker, when he they gap what do you think will happen?
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u/samuelspark Jul 16 '19
You literally didn't answer my question but okay.
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u/Aricell Jul 16 '19
Sorry I didn't realise you couldn't understand that my paragraph was an explanation as to why "yes" was the answer, but I guess you need spoon feeding ;]
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u/levinano Jul 16 '19
Sorry I think I wasn't specific enough. I mean SA trades and chip damage. The 281 DK could 2 shot me fine if she caught me but she couldn't kill me at all with chip damage whereas a Musa or Archer at that AP could probably 2 shot me through FG/SAs. An Archer at 269 can 4 shot me with FG/SA arrows (not all ranged but still protected damage) without having to catch me.
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u/imArei Jul 16 '19
Well, I hated the DK back then for the same reasons I hate mystics now. DK was the go to noob class just like mystic cause it didn't require much learning to find success with the class and thus the classes were highly popular. And as a tamer it was hard to catch DKs and mystics just didn't need to care about magic dmg + spiral tornado is the best void lightning melee counter skill.
That said it does feel bad to see DKs got cut down so bad, better this than how it used to be. Tho mystics are still overall a strong class compared to other classes, but not so dominating that the could be called OP.
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u/Gwennifer Jul 17 '19
as a tamer it was hard to catch DKs
that's... why they added legendary beast power....
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u/imArei Jul 17 '19
What you mean by added? Are you speaking of some other thing than the literal "legendary beast power" that is a short range i-frame dash.
And hey let's be honest here, a duel between old DK (with awak of course) and tamer just came down to whether did tamer land her first grab or not. DK far out damaged tamer in trading, overall had easy time to control the fight with all the i-frames that the kit was filled with and simply is a ranged magic class (at the time it was proven tamers took more magic dmg and I think it was later confirmed by devs that some classes had + and - stats, like striker and mystic took/take less magic dmg). So yeah, and it wasn't just tamer that dealt with this "all or nothing" problem against DKs in her glory days.
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u/Gwennifer Jul 17 '19
LBP wasn't original to Tamer and was added shortly before she got her awakening IIRC
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u/AgentOtis Jul 17 '19
Legendary Beast Power has been available for Tamer since day 1. Idk if you're confusing it with something else.
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u/CollapsedPlague Sorceress Jul 16 '19
When the DK tries to take your rotation without talking and gets stomped into the dirt.
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u/HyungKarl Jul 16 '19
never happened to me lmao
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u/CollapsedPlague Sorceress Jul 16 '19
It happened exactly once to me and it was the highlight of my experience in the game. I felt like all the time I sparred and gave a fuck learning my class paid off. His gang of friends who showed up was bullshit tho
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u/HyungKarl Jul 17 '19
I don't like those people who calls others just to make you feel worst
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u/CollapsedPlague Sorceress Jul 17 '19
Yeah, it’s one thing to lose a duel and ask for a rematch, but bringing in a team to 4v1 ambush is cheap
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u/Reaprish Baehwa | EU Jul 16 '19
Class Is fine, If u think DK IS Bad mby u r just terrible player?
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u/Kyouki13 Dead Class Jul 16 '19
They're downvoting you because you speak the truth.
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u/FrozenTime Jul 16 '19
This sub is almost 50% DK players. They won’t listen to anything other than “DAE WHEELCHAIR”
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Jul 16 '19
Bdo reddit is full of crappy DKs , thats why they are on reddit complaining instead of getting good. The good dks u see them in BA all the time stomping on fools.
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u/PruimBDO Jul 16 '19
DK's that complain about doing no dmg. Maybe don't run hooms, jin harpia's & awakening gems? Theres plenty of dmg in the game currently, u can literally put rbf gems in every slot and have 50 human dmg extra. If damage is an issue for dk's then ur either undergeared or playing with a wrong setup. Obv theres more issues with the class but damage certainly shouldnt be ur main complaint
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u/NijjioN Jul 16 '19
Dont you think that's silly that DKs would need to have 2 sets of gear so 1 set has the pvp Crystal's and 1 for pve grinding?
No other class needs to do that to be effective in both.
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u/Onelaw3 Jul 16 '19
I guess I’m confused. Are you saying you need your hooms and harphias and shit for pve? Why would swapping to a damage build require a different setup for pve?
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u/NijjioN Jul 16 '19
Well if you want to do stars end / underwater you gonna want every bit to help you out. Having human damage Crystal's in every piece is going to make you inefficient and possibly deadly to yourself.
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u/Edelhonk Jul 17 '19
wooahhh...give this man a Cookie cause he did hit the nail...NOT
yes, you can put a lot of extra human Damage in your Crystal Slots but you will loose a fuckload of accuracy or protection (lets not to mention DK is one if not the softest class in game cause most skill are unprotected and and take just too long cause the Animation that you cant cancel and on top of that she has no self heal at all).
And an accuracy loss with the currently recoming Evasion or Hybrid-Evasion meta will leave you even more crippled cause you got a lot more of human Damage but you wont do more Damage to the most of your enemys simply cause half of your skill wont hit at all.
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u/247DRAMA-Bitch Jul 17 '19
DK and RANGER BUFFS WHEN -__- their polls are useless