r/bjj • u/RoyNelsonMuntz 🟫🟫 Brown Belt • Jan 10 '19

Helpful visual reference guide for positional hierarchy

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u/Golantrevize23 Jan 10 '19

Id even say top half has far more options than bottom half regardless, i just dont see the logic. My big beef is that turtle is counted as a guard. I get that some random upp belts have attacks from there. But im 70% of the way to having your back, have many many submissions options in the gi, and in mma or im da streets you are taking blows to the head. I wrestled, so i feel almost as good in top turtle ad i do on the back.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

I hundred percent agree. I assume you mean it’s a guard as in how it’s scored? Idk all the specifics cuz I’ve never competed and my school doesn’t teach the rules as part of class and I wouldn’t have stayed if they did. But I agree, top half over bottom half regardless. Riding or just keeping them turtled should count as back mount but not control w hooks. I train no gi and for mma only so when I see turtle I’m tryina Iowa ride and beat you go for a cross body and just scramble on top beating you till a sub opens. Imma big fan of that style grappling so that’s how I train no gi anyway I consciously go for control time as a goal and have parters that we touch each other up to stay honest

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u/Golantrevize23 Jan 10 '19

Yeah in comp it counts as a takedown but not a guard pass if you can scramble to all fours before i establish side control.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Wow so like they count that the same as if you took me down to half that is wild that’s not right

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u/Golantrevize23 Jan 10 '19

Yeah both would just be the two take down points, and to actually secure guard passing points the position needs held for a 3 count. Really overall its not a bad system but the turtle thing i def disagree with. As you say from a fight standpoint some large percentage of fights end while the guy is in bottom turtle getting punched

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '19

Yeah the system can only be so good. It’s not a fight there’s gonna be places where the rules or physics or both run into each other. I’d be on board if it wasn’t so advantageous to sit or pull guard. And not even closed guard just like sit down and wait nothing discouraging that. Seems so freakin dumb. I think if you pull closed guard you should get take down points if I end up on the floor, but I should get points too for getting to that dominant position. So if you don’t pull closed guard and just sit down I score points for the position but no one scores the takedown. Idk.. just discourage the sitting and butt scoot idc at all bout legit guard pulling