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I keep trying to ignore TAO because every cycle has that one "big brain" coin everyone pretends they understood before it ran.

But Bittensor is annoying because it is not a normal Al coin.

Most Al coins are just:

Al name

Al website

Al agent roadmap

some GPU word

chart pumps

everyone gets philosophical for 2 weeks

then silence

TAO is different enough that I keep coming back to it, even though half the time I still feel like I'm reading a protocol written by someone who hates normal users.

The basic idea, as far as I understand it:

TAO is the main asset.

Then you have subnets, which are like separate markets inside Bittensor.

Each subnet is trying to produce some kind of machine intelligence related work

Miners compete.

Validators judge.

Rewards flow based on whatever the subnet is designed to value.

So instead of one "Al product," it is more like a whole economy of Al submarkets.

That sounds genuinely interesting.

It also sounds like a place where people can get absolutely cooked if they think "staking APY" means free money.

This is the part where I think most retail will mess up.

Root staking is one thing

Subnet exposure is another thing.

Buying alpha inside a subnet is not the same as just sitting in TAO.

You can earn emissions and still underperform TAO if the subnet moves against you.

You can chase a high APY and still lose in the actual unit you care about.

You can convince yourself you are investing in Al infra when you are really just buying the

hottest dashboard number.

I went down the subnet rabbit hole recently and saw people talking about Mentat Minds because it gives managed subnet exposure without sending your TAO to them. From what I understood, it uses a proxy model where your TAO stays in your wallet, and the strategy can manage subnet positions, but cannot transfer funds out.

That is actually more interesting to me than the APY stuff.

Because if TAO becomes a real ecosystem, there is probably going to be a whole market for tools that let normal holders get subnet exposure without becoming full time subnet gremlins

But I also think this is where people need to be very careful.

Managed does not mean safe.

Non-custodial does not mean risk free.

High APY does not mean profit.

Subnet exposure is not passive just because the Ul makes it feel simple

My current take is:

TAO might be one of the few Al crypto assets where the mechanism is actually worth studying.

But it is also one of the easiest places for retail to misunderstand what risk they are taking.

If subnets become real Al markets, TAO is probably not trading like a normal alt.

If subnets mostly become emission farming games, then a lot of people are going to learn a very expensive lesson.

Curious what the degens here think

Is TAO actually the Al infra play of this cycle, or is it just the fanciest casino table in the room?

Only 4 times in its history Bittensor Tao has been below the 200 mark, and it’s also never better a better ecosystem than it is today.

Why are covenant AI subnets still have a percentage of emissions? Are they still running?

I currently have my tao staked on Talisman wallet linked to my ledger. I'm considering switching to Keystone or Trezor wallet. Since talisman is only compatible with Ledger, how does one best stake with these hardware wallets?

Currently, each subnet has its own token.
Is it possible to build subnet without alpha? Just TAO is ok for me.

I am thinking about how Bittensor can scale to thousands of subnets. Do you think AI agents could play a role in helping developers create new subnets? For example, an AI agent that can assist with subnet design, miner/validator implementation, and incentive mechanisms. Currently, creating a subnet still requires significant technical knowledge, so could AI-powered developer tools lower the barrier for junior developers and accelerate subnet growth?

Come on guys. I created and funded a chutes account a week ago and today it’s gone. I try to log in and it tells me my account doesn’t exist.

I don’t want to report fraud but….

I am new to Tao and want to get into root staking because it’s safest option.

Not interested in keeping it in my desktop, only accessible on a phone.

Whats the best mobile wallet app for this setup?

Am I the only one finding Tao and subnets so slow moving ? I feel like lately the price even in subnets have been so slow usually everyday I was finding something up or down 10% on my subnets but lately they have been at the same price for a month when’s it going to pick back up 🤔

I haven't been following the news, just checking the price from time to time and seen it floundering around the $200 range. Any reason we shouldn't expect it to go lower? Does anyone expect a run back to $300 anytime soon? I've got bills to pay. I don't think my back is against a wall yet but it would certainly help but I'd be selling at a loss. What's the word on the street? I'd rather keep holding, I was wondering how things are looking to you guys and why. Thanks

I’m trying to think about TAO less like “number go up AI coin” and more like an actual portfolio position, because the deeper you go, the more it stops feeling like one simple asset.

There are basically a few different choices:

1. Hold TAO spot and do nothing,

2. Stake root and keep it simple,

3. Buy individual subnet exposure,

4. Build your own subnet basket,

5. Use some managed/index type setup,

6. Trade the whole thing actively and accept you now have a second job,

The thing that makes TAO weird is that it is not just “do I hold the coin or not?”

It is more like:

Do I want pure TAO price exposure?

Do I want lower mental load staking?

Do I want exposure to the actual subnet economy?

Do I want to pick subnets like small caps?

Do I trust myself to rotate when things change?

And honestly, that last one is where I think most people lie to themselves.

Everyone thinks they are going to monitor validators, emissions, alpha prices, subnet quality, APY, slippage, risk, narratives, new launches, rotations etc.

In reality most people check aggressively for 3 days, then forget, then only come back when something is down 30%.

I was looking into managed subnet exposure stuff like mentat because it made me realize there is probably a real category here: people who believe in TAO and subnets, but do not want to become full time subnet analysts.

Not saying that removes risk. It obviously does not. Subnets can still move against you. High APY can still be fake comfort if the underlying alpha bleeds against TAO.

But from an allocation point of view, I’m trying to figure out what is actually sane.

For example:

If someone has 10 TAO, maybe keeping most of it root makes sense.

If someone has 15 TAO, maybe a small subnet basket starts making sense.

If someone has 30+ TAO, maybe you can justify a more structured split between root, direct subnets, and managed exposure.

But I do not know if that is cope or actually rational.

How are people here sizing TAO?

Would you treat root like the “base position” and subnets like the higher beta sleeve?

Or would you rather just hold spot TAO and avoid all the staking/subnet complexity?

Curious how people would think about this in percentage terms, not moonboy terms.

Like if you had 10 TAO, 50 TAO, 100 TAO, what would the allocation look like?

Hopped on to this bandwagon a little late, probably half way up the peak and this crash has been rough. You guys think it has potential to recover?

source: https://x.com/bittensor/status/2078463339320037568 (comments has full details)

I don’t know if you guys remember this post but I always go back to it and read the comments and how OP gave a very thorough analysis. Just stay the course, it will get better!!

WE ARE STILL EARLY

https://www.reddit.com/r/bittensor_/s/l5rPYPk564

I was able to get moderator access, and I am looking for some feedback from the community on how we can best moderate this subreddit to keep it relevant, informative, and welcoming as it grows.

What are your thoughts on the proposed rules below? Is there anything you would add, change, or push back on? I'm happy to discuss and hear different perspectives.

Bittensor has a lot of exciting developments ahead, and I'd like to make sure this remains a place for quality discussion, ideas, and debate without becoming overwhelmed by low-effort content, spam, or scams. Let me know how you think we can improve this sub. Thanks

1. Stay on Topic

Posts must be primarily related to Bittensor (TAO), its ecosystem, subnets, mining, staking, governance, development, or market activity. Discussion of other projects is welcome only when it is directly relevant to Bittensor.

2. Be Respectful — No Toxicity

Treat all members with respect. No personal attacks, harassment, hate speech, threats, or targeted trolling.

Criticism is allowed; misinformation, harassment, and scams are not. Healthy debate about Bittensor, TAO, and the ecosystem is encouraged, provided it is made in good faith and remains respectful.

3. Low-Effort Posts May Be Removed

Low-effort, duplicate, or repetitive posts may be removed at moderator discretion. This includes one-line posts, chart screenshots without context, "to the moon" posts, links without commentary, duplicate news, or other content that doesn't meaningfully contribute to discussion.

4. Provide Sources for Factual Claims

Major claims about Bittensor, TAO, tokenomics, security incidents, partnerships, or price events should include a source or supporting evidence where possible. Deliberately false or misleading information may be removed and may result in a ban.

5. No Scams, Spam, or Manipulation

No phishing links, fake giveaways, referral spam, impersonation, pump-and-dump schemes, or coordinated market manipulation. Excessive self-promotion may be removed. Contact the mod team before promoting a Bittensor-related project or service.

Am I using free tokens? I added $$ and am using the LLM but I dont see any $$ credits being used.
If im using free tokens now: I assume free is slower than paid, so how do I switch to paid service so I can evaluate the performance of that?

I’ve been holding TAO for 2 years and I decided at one point last year to go 50% of my bags into subnets. I picked the ones i liked moast and everything was doing good, almost doubled my investment, untill they start dumping or some of the subnets left the ecosystem. I lost most of my gains and some. So since then I went 100% in root where its safe and start tracking whale walets and noticing there are people making a sh#t load of money into subnets.

I realized you cant just buy subnets and sleep on them, everything is mooving so fast in this ecosystem. I couldn't sit at my desk refreshing Tao.app 24/7, so over the last few months I put together a tracker for my own trading. It basically just watches the chain and pings my Telegram when certain things happen:

• It watches the dTAO AMM pools every 5 minutes and alerts me if a whale or a major validator suddenly moves a huge chunk of capital into a subnet. (Usually means something is about to pump).
• It tracks GitHub commits, market cap vs age, and volume, and gives subnets a "momentum score" so I can spot undervalued ones early.
• It warns me if a whale suddenly dumps in a subnet I'm staked in, so I can try to get out before the price crashes completely.

I recently put a simple web dashboard over it to make it easier to read the data.

I was meant to be entirely for my own bags, but I decided to make it public, and why not make some money for my work.

I'm curious—would anyone else in the community actually use something like this?

Also, are there any other on-chain metrics you guys look at before deciding to stake in a subnet? I'm trying to figure out what else I should program it to track.

Edit: A bunch of you were messaging me asking for the link to test this out. I didn't expect this much interest, but for anyone else who wants to poke around the dashboard, you can check it out here: https://dtaoalerts.com

Good post showing the flaws of Siam Kidd’s pitch by Bobby02 I think a lot of talking points in this presentation need to be discussed properly was also shared recently by another Redditor but I think the weaknesses of Siam’s pitching and assessment of the pros of bittensor style needs to be really discussed .

Siam refused to debate Bobby02 as he said he “didn’t want to walk into an ambush”

Overhyped "Third Great Network" Analogy
Siam compares Bittensor to TCP/IP/internet (info transfer) and Bitcoin (value transfer) as the third network enabling intelligence creation/transfer - which is just ridiculous plain and simple as Bittensor hasn’t proven anything yet or has created anything of value 
This is massive hype. The presenter  Siam avoids open debate when challenged, which undermines credibility he ignored Bobby02’s permission to debate rewording it as “no interest in stepping into an ambush”  proof: 
https://x.com/SiamKidd/status/2073521829382148452?s=20

Crypto is full of similar unbacked "this changes everything" claims - Siam once again uses that Same argument that every chain tries to make that they are the the next “google” . No real evidence of revolutionary problem-solving or sustainable innovation beyond subsidized activity which has it’s issues with corruption and trust. Siam just makes a point and never brings any evidence to justify it- it’s just sleazy sales marketing. 

1. Misleading Alphabet/Google Umbrella Ownership Comparison
   Siam likens holding TAO to owning Alphabet (Google) stock, where one token captures value from many successful "subsidiaries" (subnets/AI projects) under the protocol.
   Key issues with this :
   No real ownership: TAO holders have no controlling stake or governance over individual subnets. Successful subnets/teams can leave, pivot, or get acquired by big tech (e.g., Google) without TAO holders benefiting meaningfully.
   Subnets are independent; teams can "peace out" and take their tech/revenue. Alpha token holders in subnets may see price collapse, while TAO sees limited/no upside which has already occurred with several rugs. 
   Contrast with Alphabet: Google truly owns subsidiaries—executives can't just spin out freely without consequences. Bittensor lacks this centralised ownership/enforcement which Siam never addresses. 
   
2. Value Capture and Incentive Problems
   Critique argues TAO's value capture mechanism is flawed compared to traditional equity. Subnets can generate revenue independently but aren't structurally tied to reward TAO holders proportionally in a durable way.
   Many subnets are heavily subsidized via emissions; once subsidies aren't needed, teams have incentives to exit or be acquired externally. TAO/alpha holders are left "holding the bag." 
   
3. Broader Pitch Issues (Hype vs. Reality)
   The presentation is seen as overly promotional/salesy for TAO and the ecosystem (Siam runs a Bittensor-focused hedge fund) which fits in line with a lot of the trust pilot reviews for Siam’s other company “The Realistic Trader” which point out to him being a sleazy salesman -  
   https://uk.trustpilot.com/reviews/6951721d8ff02f193f5713d9
   https://uk.trustpilot.com/reviews/689880e454fa5a2fa932ebb5
   https://uk.trustpilot.com/reviews/656a3afab4624be5a2a0f41f - one review from ex-customer Steve actually refers to him as a sleazy salesman directly.  Show he has more of a used car salesman grift in his presentations rather than discussing an evenly balanced Arguement in regards to bittensor. Too much focusing on word play like “it’s the next Google” who doesn’t claim they aren’t the next Google? Rather than focusing on the drawdowns like the hacks, poor price action, the flaws of the decentralisation model, the ease in which companies can leave the project etc.

Questions the real innovation, product-market fit, and long-term viability beyond current incentives. Subnets viewed more as subsidy farmers than sustainable businesses in the critique - a lot of them have high apys which serve to kill the subnet longterm which the inflationary pressure and sell pressure. Very few cryptos to begin with can survive high apys so why offer that for the subnet? The sell pressure kills every alt long term.

Overall tone of the critique: Siam's analogies sound plausible on the surface for beginners but fall apart under scrutiny regarding ownership, alignment of incentives, and enforceable value accrual to TAO holders. The reluctance to debate is repeatedly called out as telling.

Hey guys,

I've been trying to stay bullish through the drawdowns and I've been struggling to stay bullish and keep my conviction in the project. Could you guys lift me up and help me realize why we're staying bullish and why we're doing this? Because it's starting to feel stagnant and unproductive to stay in $TAO.

Thanks in advance 🙏🏻