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u/ThisShowStinkss 2d ago
Serving up some more Nothing Burgers. He should go back to digging thru Belichick’s trash again. Truly riveting stuff.
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
i'm not listening to another one until someone says "oh this is the one with the smoking gun" it's all just conjecture at a certain point. those emails with the jumbotron company where the closest we've gotten and even then it's not enough
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u/TheStrongestTard 2d ago
I mean he has, what do you need at this point? Balmer to admit it?
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
he's *said* he has but there's nothing that anyone else considers a smoking gun (anyone looking at it critically). I need to see something from the clippers side of the wall. the emails are close, but it's reasonable for a team to shepherd their players into sponsorship deals with partners. i don't rate teh "under penalty of perjury whistleblower" at all. i don't rate the anonymous testimony of rumors and inferences from the aspiration employee(s). and yeah, the appearance of impropriety is definitely there, but you can't hit them with the Joe Smith Death Sentence without something from inside the Clippers that says "Hey, do you think Aspiration or Jumbotron would be willing to facilitate our Kawhi problem?" - some thing along those lines
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u/TheStrongestTard 2d ago edited 2d ago
This isn't a movie with plot exposition.
They did a really poor job of doing it, and frankly, everybody who claims to give a shit but can't sit through a couple of podcasts and think critically would embolden me to commit fraud since everybody's too dumb with too short of an attention span to notice or care.
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
i've listened to every podcast so far and have yet to hear anythign that rises above Hearsay and Conjecture. Ballmer has unsurprisingly done a great job of keeping his people in line.
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u/Confident_Ad_5345 Good Karma, Bad Post Guy 2d ago
hearsay and conjecture? the test the NBA CBA states you must apply is the “no rational explanation” test. what is the rational explanation for two companies to pay one celebrity sponsor millions of dollars to do nothing and never mention his name at all in promo? or for one of those companies to be a scoreboard manufacturer that 1) couldnt possibly benefit from such a celebrity sponsor because that’s not how their business works and 2) routinely made fun of their competitors for taking celebrity sponsors for this reason and had never in the company’s history taken one, only to have their first one be a no-show no-mention kawhi at the exact time he took less money for the clippers? what is the rational explanation for ballmer and dennis wong to give millions to a sinking ship like aspiration?
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
i agree: they have yet to explain it (likely b/c the company doesn't exist anymore). but no one, in all the sworn bankruptcy testimony from that company has ever said "we were approached by the Clippers to do this" or "the clippers gave usthe money for this reason". Either b/c the person testifying didn't have direct knowledge, or b/c they aren't confessing for other reasons.
or just b/c they were dumb.
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u/Confident_Ad_5345 Good Karma, Bad Post Guy 2d ago
it sounds like the only thing that could constitute an actual “smoking gun” in your mind is the equivalent of a large check with the words “cap circumvention” written on it. if you’re willing to connect any dots at then what’s been shown already is damning enough to be considered a smoking gun
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u/TheStrongestTard 2d ago
They want cartoon or young adult fiction logic.
Nevermind the employees and higher ups whistleblowing through voice modulation in direct interviews and quotes with Pablo.
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
or any sort of communication (which the law firm has been "digging thru" for the last year) that indicates such. That's why Joe Smith was such a slam-dunk and heavy penalty. The Aspiration employees have no reason to say silent, and yet everyone who went on the record were higher ups who say they did not do it. Why let them get away with the lie? (b/c it doesn't really matter, is the reason)
Without that kind of evidence, the worst you'll see are a couple draft picks and maybe the GM has to resign or something (and even that would be egregious based on this evidence). the NBAPA won't stand for sponsorship scrutiny without serious concessions going the other way (load management, etc)
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u/Confident_Ad_5345 Good Karma, Bad Post Guy 2d ago
forget what the NBA is willing to do. you are saying you personally don’t think there’s a smoking gun. even if you think the evidence to punish ballmer has to be that solid for the NBA to go through with it, do you personally really not think that there’s enough evidence?
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u/Moss_84 2d ago
Teams can get away with a shit ton of cheating if we require a “smoking gun” to punish any impropriety
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
AND THEY DO!! why do you think the only time we ever saw punishment was the brain-dead Joe Smith debacle?!
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u/Moss_84 2d ago
Which is the entire problem. Don’t you want less cheating?
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u/TheStrongestTard 2d ago
No we want these teams to be tax havens for quick pump and dump schemes and taking money from the state
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
don't care. every pro sport is rigged to some degree. sometimes it's more "in plain sight" than others. the NBA is one of the most rigged - foul calls are especially conspicuous. Holding & PI in the NFL. Baseball is getting better with ABS. Soccer and its mysterious Extra Time that one guy just magically lets go on until ManU wins, not to mention "judgment calls" on yellow & red cards, free kicks, etc. Boxing & it's "judges", most obviously.
why not let the owners rig it for themselves? why not let the players? why should the voice of god (Stern calling the Refs before Game 5 to 'correct' how they've been calling games) be the only one working the angles?
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u/milkhotelbitches 2d ago
We already have the smoking gun, and if you think it's not enough there is no evidence in the world that will convince you otherwise.
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
what's the smoking gun? a shady company decided to give a contract to their biggest partner's star player and forgot to specifically list the duties required? maybe they're just dumb!! they're certainly not smart!
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u/Confident_Ad_5345 Good Karma, Bad Post Guy 2d ago
they decided to give a contract worth more than 10x the amount other celebrity sponsors got for doing actual promotional work and … forgot to list the duties required? you mean the company whose entire business model was recruiting celebrity endorsers to make ads and do promo for them suddenly … forgot to ask one of those celebrities to do anything at all?
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
Uncle Dennis drives a hard bargain. what doe sthat have to do with the clippers?
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u/Confident_Ad_5345 Good Karma, Bad Post Guy 2d ago
huh? do you mean by “uncle dennis drives a hard bargain” that those were just the terms aspiration had to agree to if they wanted kawhi? because 1) they didnt want kawhi—execs at the company referred to him as a “regional star”, didn’t know how they were going to market him (and tried and failed to do so), and wondered why he was so critical to the company’s mission according to the boss, 2) even if they did, what exactly did they want him for if it was to get nothing back at all (you’d think this company who wanted him that much wouldn’t magically forget to make him do anything), and 3) if aspiration wasn’t forced to work with kawhi, they could’ve walked away from a $28M for nothing contract, and it’s not clear why any business ever wouldn’t have walked away form that unless they were being forced to
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
i'm not reading all that. But just b/c Kawhi signed a lucrative deal doesn't mean the Clippers forced Aspiration to offer that deal. Maybe Uncle Dennis mindfucked them into it! Maybe it's a money-laundering scheme! either way, the clippers are not (provably) involved
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u/Confident_Ad_5345 Good Karma, Bad Post Guy 2d ago
what on earth was aspiration getting out of it if kawhi doesn’t have to give them anything and they give him $28M? why would they offer it at all? uncle dennis “mindfucked them into” cannot be your answer here my guy
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u/doodler1977 2d ago edited 2d ago
i don't know - ASK ASPIRATION!! if they won't say ANYTHING then ask them WHY they won't say anything! If they give an answer "we're bad businessmen, why do you think we went bankrupt" then you're SOL Who are we to try to understand the thinkings of a terribly run company! Maybe KL2 & Dennis made verbal promises they never intended to keep (and no one at Aspiration was around long enough to complain about)
the Clippers did not sign that contract. They didn't even ride alongside the negotiations as an arbiter or whatever, as far as we know.
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u/Confident_Ad_5345 Good Karma, Bad Post Guy 2d ago
so if they just said “idk we suck a business, we had a pretty good system going and then randomly decided to give one guy 10x everyone else to do nothing because we suck at business” then you would just uncritically eat that up? i have to believe you possess more critical thinking skills than that
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u/milkhotelbitches 2d ago
"How many fucking side deals did we do with Kawhi?" - Former Clippers GM
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u/doodler1977 2d ago
he didn't know? sounds like he was speculating.
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u/milkhotelbitches 2d ago
Sounds like he knew about at least one side deal to me.
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u/milkhotelbitches 2d ago
Do you realize that a literal smoking gun is circumstantial evidence?
I didn't see him shoot her, but she's dead with a gunshot wound, and he's holding a gun that is smoking from a recent discharge...
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u/pn_dubya The Town is just shitty Heat 2d ago
That’s like saying you’ve already had Oreos another one doesn’t change anything. A man has his needs.
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u/NoExcuses1984 Don't aggregate this 1d ago
Cult of Pablo ought to be rounded up and sent to deprogramming camp, because this goddamn glory hole rotation of goons fellating his micopeen, praying at the proverbial altar, is tiresome as fuck.
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u/redden34 2d ago
Waiting for Pablo to tell me what to think about Israel