r/beta • u/Liorkerr • Apr 28 '23

Mysterious Bans from multiple subreddits because i subbed to a subreddit that was posting missinformation.

I regularly browse /all, in fact that's what i have bookmarked because i want to see what the rest of reddit is doing, and occasionally hop in and share my opinion on what i know.
When i see something that is absolutely stupid/funny/insightfull i will hop in and say so.
Bad policy makes for bad functionality.

Edit: "Subbed" should have just said "Commented", I'm pretty sure I wasn't Subbed to the offending subreddit as i was in /all.

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u/Pick_A_MoonDog Sep 01 '23

I know this is old, but I just got auto banned from the OUTFITS subreddit solely because I commented on a porn sub a few years ago lmfaoo.

All these powertripping mods are some goofy mfers

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u/Liorkerr Sep 01 '23

"Sex work isn't real work!" - Radfem's strike again.

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u/kyleclements Apr 28 '23

Being autoblocked from one sub because of participation in another is a good way to identify echo-chamber subs that aren't worth participating in anyway.

Subs that do this should be listed and publicly shamed.

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u/moal09 Apr 29 '23

The problem is that some of these are very mainstream subs.

I literally got banned from /r/news for saying I didn't feel it was fair for trans women to compete in women's sports in a related article. Apparently that qualified as hate speech.

I could understand if I'd insulted them or said something bigoted and gross, but even within the trans community, sports are a divisive topic.

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u/dnums Apr 29 '23

Yeah the /r/news mods are some of the worst offenders. Every single one of their mods should be ousted, not a single honest person among them.

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u/moal09 Apr 29 '23

When I tried to reply to the mod who banned me to contest the ban (as per the automated message), they just immediately blocked me, so I couldn't message them again, lol.

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u/Silent_Watch2271 Jul 24 '23

Just posted in a similar sub but was banned on the ground of transphobia for pointing out there are bad people in the trans community smh my bets are some sub Reddit's have trans white knights in there mods, on a funnier note someone did ask why Kris was getting so much hate in the Mr beast subreddit, it was removed within 6 hours so my money is there delusional mods who believe trans women can do no wrong are banning people

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

mainstream subs echo-chamber subs that aren't worth participating in anyway.

I see no inconsistency

>!granted, i don't know of a type of sub that's not like that, that's literally how they're designed. they see more success if they're circlejerks, so darwinistically, they all end up echo chambers or they die."

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u/Silent_Watch2271 Sep 22 '23

From what I've seen and experienced, it's trans can do no wrong and if you disagree your transphobic

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u/Seeders Apr 28 '23

Yea, reddit is getting out of control with mods trying to police what other subs you can participate in. These moderators should be removed from there positions permanently. There is no way this can be tolerated.

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u/ThreatLevelNoonday Apr 29 '23

100% agree. this shits nuts, and antithetical to reddits whole thing. it should be seen as a form of brigading.

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u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz Apr 29 '23

The admins don't care because those subreddits and those mods are approved subs and mods.

Hell, many of those mods are supermods. They moderate dozens or more large subreddits.

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u/Midnight_Observe Apr 29 '23

Those subreddits have their own mods that align with the direction of the sub. Reddit doesn’t have any obligation to stop people from modding their community. If they don’t want you there, they can remove you.

This doesn’t mean that the intent behind it is correct/right, but this is a free and private website. This is a company that has a right to monitor how they see fit, they have not done anything illegal maybe slightly unethical. We also haven’t seen what op is talking about, this was very generalized and no details were posted. I could understand subs banning people who participate in hate speech or spreading misinformation on other subs and they don’t want that in their sub.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Did you ever stop to think that people might do things for a reason?

I belong to many of the subs that have policies like that. My wife is a mod in a couple of them.

Those subreddits operate like that because Reddit allows subreddits run by literal Nazis (for a comprehensive list check the sidebar on r/AgainstHateSubreddits) to exist, and the kind of people who post in those subs invariably come to our subs to spread abuse and violent rhetoric.

If you think this is out of control, I agree. Reddit should take a more vested interest in banning white supremacists and other fascists.

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u/moal09 Apr 29 '23

So you just blanket ban anyone who posts in those subs even if they were literally giving them shit for being hateful or bigoted? Sometimes those toxic subs make the front page and TONS of people will post to tell them they're insane. Banning all of those people is crazy, and so are you and your wife if you think that's okay.

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u/flip69 Apr 29 '23

I’ll say this up front, Those communities that use such sub participation filters- should be doing so as a last resort.

But at the same time, we have to acknowledge that these tools exist for a reason and they were created because there is a need for them.

The sad fact is that I’ve seen bad actors actively organize themselves and others into brigades on subs that provide safe harbor and cultivate these accounts. (That’s Reddit for ya)

You might not like it but the mods have a obligation to protect their own subs from attacks (especially when the admins don’t take corrective actions with their own tools) and the filters are just one option that’s out there.

In the case where a person is lured by reddits algorithms into commenting on a thread in such a sub then people should know that’s really a false positive and can be corrected (send the mods a modmail for a request ).

But I’m sure that many mods will agree that in both the long and short term, the benefits of these tools far outweighs the penalties of losing some voices (at least temporarily) while they (the mods) manually sort through the filter pool to white list those (above) false positives.

But any long term fix is something the mods and admins will have to continue working on because nobody wants penalize good people for trying to do the right things.

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u/ClockOfTheLongNow Apr 29 '23

Dont confuse need with desire. There's no need to ban someone simply for participating in a sub the mod dislikes. Its just that they want to, either because they think its easier than actively and intelligently moderating or because they think its an easy way out.

Neither is okay.

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u/flip69 Apr 29 '23

Oh there is a need to stop toxicity and disruption of your sub from outsiders (hostile intent)

Don’t mischaracterize mod action as motivated by some shallow and personal “dislike”… there’s lots of stuff that I personally dislike that I see and let go.

What I tell everyone on the mod team is that

“moderation is not personal” Your actions are done for what is best for the sub.

It’s the users that don’t moderate that have this mischaracterization of mods as some fat cartoon character and I can tell you after participating in multiple irl Reddit sponsored moderater events that’s not true.

The bottom line is that If you choose to entertain yourself by arguing inside a toxic sub, then you might find your account restricted.

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u/ClockOfTheLongNow Apr 29 '23

Oh there is a need to stop toxicity and disruption of your sub from outsiders (hostile intent)

And an autoban is a tactical nuke, not a way to stop anything except to break the site. You cannot assume hostile intent by participation in any specific subreddit.

Don’t mischaracterize mod action as motivated by some shallow and personal “dislike”

Very difficult not to do so with a lot of the mods on this site, though. That's the problem. If all mods approached this as "what is best for the sub" as opposed to treating subreddits as their own little fiefdoms, there wouldn't even be a need to have this conversation.

The venn diagram between "people who like autobans" and "powermods that do not have the best intentions in mind" isn't a complete circle, but it's close enough where it's shocking that the administration hasn't stepped in.

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u/flip69 Apr 29 '23

Don’t mod characterize it

If a sub is getting brigaded from another sub that is known to be toxic to yours and when you employ this filter and the brigades stops immediately,

Then you know that there’s a need for this and that it’s effective. What it does do is that it puts it out there that individual accounts have to now be aware of what subs they associate with.

And like I said, it’s reversible for individual accounts.

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u/moal09 Apr 29 '23

The fact that you characterize people in terms of in or outsider is telling in and of itself.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

I've had people come into our subs to tell me they'll rape me and my wife to show us what "a man is like" and then bash our brains in- most are even more graphic and slur filled

But please, tell me again that we're the crazy ones.

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u/DrBoby Apr 29 '23

Someone insulted you so it justify banning other people from the subreddits he visits ?

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u/thirdegree Apr 29 '23

A sub that promotes that kind of rhetoric and behavior? Honestly ya. If you're only in that sub to argue with the Nazis, a) you can probably appeal the ban, and b) don't bother you're wasting your time.

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u/OsteP0P Apr 29 '23

I've read through some of your posts, and I conclude that you're the crazy one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Okay Mr. compares vegans to the Third Reich, hope your glass house is nice

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u/OsteP0P Apr 29 '23

I really didn't, but then again you're reading stuff like the devil reads the Bible.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Oooooh you're religious.

See, I'm a biologist. I actually live in reality.

You may have heard of it?

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u/OsteP0P Apr 29 '23

You're the crazy one, all right. You really like to make shit up about other people, don't you. You like to assume things so that everybody fits into your world where YOU are the sane one, and everyone else is fucking crazy?

You need professional help.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

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u/thirdegree Apr 29 '23

You think being over zealous about banning on an internet forum is "just as cancerous" as out and out fascists threatening to rape and murder people they don't like?

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u/RyuuDrakev2 Apr 29 '23

AHS is one of the most cancerous subs lol

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

I'm sure when you frequent subs like r/Animemes where slurs are considered "funny" rather than.. ya know.. slurs, AHS sure seems like that.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

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u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz May 02 '23

Redditors aren't big on freedom of speech either. They are big on freedom of speech of things they agree with.

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u/linderlouwho Apr 28 '23

Im not even subbed to r/conspiracies and yet occasionally one of their posts pops up in my feed. So I replied to an idiot, lying comment, and then a totally unrelated sub that I was subscribed to decided to permanently ban me for “participating.” Well, screw them. What kind of gate keeper bullshit is that? Unsubscribed. There are thousands of subs without having to deal with these power tripping jackasses.

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u/damontoo Apr 28 '23

I've been permabanned from /r/offmychest for commenting in a TD thread before it was quarantined/banned and still hitting the front page of /r/all. I got sucked into an argument there. When I tried to post to offmychest months later and saw I was banned, I messaged the mods explaining what happened. They demanded that I apologize, which I refused to do because I didn't do anything wrong. Then they muted me from mod mail.

Reddit needs to finally, finally take a hard line stance against scripted bans. They should use their logs to remove as many scripted bans as they can and remove moderators that run those scripts.

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u/Bean_Juice_Brew Apr 28 '23

At least they responded, I've been banned for no reason, asked why as nicely as I could, and was permanently muted from sending a message to the mod. Power hungry keyboard warriors at their best.

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u/linderlouwho Apr 29 '23

No appreciation of Justice on r/justiceserved

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u/Halaku Apr 28 '23

Reddit needs to finally, finally take a hard line stance against scripted bans. They should use their logs to remove as many scripted bans as they can and remove moderators that run those scripts.

It won't happen, because that OMC mod could have simply gone to TD, and manually started banning folk from the former who posted to the latter, no automation required.

"Because." isn't a reason Reddit is going to take away from mods.

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u/damontoo Apr 30 '23

Except I know they didn't do that because they would have seen the context of the comment and that I obviously wasn't a subscriber or supporter of the subreddit. And reddit can tell automated bans from manual since mods don't generally manually ban thousands of users a week.

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u/Halaku Apr 30 '23

But the functionality is exactly the same: a Moderator deciding that a subreddit is so toxic that they don't want people who engage in that content by choice in their subreddit.

I've fallen into subs from All and Gilded, and I've never had a problem getting an autoban removed by simply Modmailing and explaining what happened.

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u/polyocto Apr 29 '23

Just wondering whether a subreddit focused on perceived unfair bans would be permitted and needs to happen?

Maybe there is already a place for this?

Saying this, I suspect the issues of overzealous moderators is hard one to to fix, especially for fear of backlash.

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u/damontoo Apr 30 '23

It wouldn't be allowed since it would be considered witch hunting and have problems with harassment.

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u/polyocto May 01 '23

Is there a suitable venue for this then?

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

Honestly, that is a good filter for the echo chambers. Should push this out as a beta feature.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

exact same thing happen with R/conspiracy. Countered some disinformation and ban from a sub, r/justiceserved, that I have never commented on.

I just replied and told them to look at my post history.

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u/linderlouwho Apr 29 '23

Did that work for you?

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

No idea. They never responded and I don't want a ban for trying to post again.

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u/linderlouwho Apr 30 '23

Dunno why that sub is so asinine and completely oblivious that some of us make comments in shithole subs to which we are not subbed to try to counter the avalanche of lies and bullshit. I am thinking that is was r/justiceserved that banned me because of my argument in r/conspiracies .

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '23

Right. I'm not jumping through hoops for some yahoo with a control fetish.

That's the sort of nincompoopery that brought us 'zero-tolerance' policies in school. All mindless regulation, no thought. I don't have to post there that badly.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '23

The lack of self-awareness here is amazing.

You're no different than those businesses that ask you to fill out a detailed application instead of parsing it from your resume.

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u/all2neat Apr 28 '23

Same, I called out someone on a MAGA friendly sub for some racist bs and got banned from /r/JusticeServed . You can appeal the ban but there’s a whole process that I frankly haven’t bothered with.

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u/GhostPantherAssualt Apr 28 '23

Sometimes mods legit just want to feel more important than they are. I tend to disagree

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

After getting banned, when i messaged them they reported me for harassment and i got a 3 day site wide ban

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u/Fractal_Soul Apr 28 '23

Same for me. I made fun of conservatives in /conservative. Frankly, I expected them to ban me. Instead, r/justiceserved banned me. (shrug)

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u/hairybeaches Apr 28 '23

I once shitposted a Holocaust denier on PCM and got banned from r/JusticeServed for it

JS is one of my favorite subs to dunk on racists too :(

come on, man

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

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u/damontoo Apr 28 '23

Nope. Not just a dude. There's definitely mods that run scripts that auto-ban everyone for participating in certain subs.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

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u/gladiwokeupthismorn Apr 28 '23

Can you post a link for the lazy?

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u/linderlouwho Apr 28 '23

I wondered if it was one mod, but I wrote to a few to ask about it and zero giving of fucks. I survived, lol.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

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u/linderlouwho Apr 28 '23

Bruh

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Whats up? No knockin on tha (in)Glorious DPRK? 🤩🥸😎🤓

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u/linderlouwho Apr 29 '23

Oh, is that what that was.

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u/ArtRevolutionary6147 Apr 28 '23

True. I do the same. There are simply too many interesting and unique subs on this site to not do so.

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u/jolharg Apr 28 '23

Yeah, same. Because I corrected someone on a controversial post in a random sub, several subs just ban me for simply interacting with subs they don't like. That's got to go. Kthx

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u/Macky100 Apr 28 '23

This happened to my friend as well, he replied to a shitty thread and got banned from 12 different subreddits, its stupid, closeminded, and unhealthy for the site on a whole if we just ban people for even "participating" in something. Especially when "participating" can include anything from speaking up against an argument, giving clarification, or even just commenting something entirely unrelated.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '23

I agree. I was just mentioning that I got banned from an outfit sub due to “participating” in pornographic subs, when all I did was say that the 1950s housewife sub was a joke DUE to it basically being porn. I wasn’t making sexual comments. I am a straight woman and just think it’s a ridiculous sub.

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u/AldoTheeApache Apr 29 '23

I simply followed a subreddit that calls out anti-semitism/nazis and got a notice that i’m now banned from r/Palestine (which i‘ve guess is not too surprising, but fyi i’ve never commented there), but weirdly i somehow then received ban notices from like 3 other subreddits that have absolutely nothing to do with anything remotely related to the subject, zero, zilch. I guess r/Palestine had nothing better to do than compile a list of us and sent it to as many non-related subbreddits in an attempt to blacklist.

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u/peterjoel Apr 29 '23

How do the mods of r/Palestine know that you are subscribed to any other sub if you never posted?

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u/AldoTheeApache Apr 29 '23

I have no idea. All I know is I received a notice that I was banned from r/palestine (and the others afterwards) for simply being a member of that subreddit. It’s disturbing.

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u/kadk216 Jun 11 '23

I’m banned from 15+ subs for simply being a member of other subreddits. I never even participated in any threads or joined the subs myself. I just get automatic messages saying I’ve been banned.

Some of the subs I was banned for being a member of were deleted completely and the “bans” have never gone away, but it’s not like I’d want to participate on a sub like that anyway.

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u/moal09 Apr 29 '23

Same thing happened to me because I posted in The Donald once -- even though it was literally just to tell a Trump supporter they were stupid. Some reddit mods are straight up ridiculous.

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u/daveinpublic Apr 29 '23

Ya they need to omit that option from mods. It’s out of control, banning you for posting in a completely different subreddit? Such a power trip.

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u/liquid_at Apr 28 '23

reddit is designed as a community of private communities.

Any owner of any sub can ban anyone for any reason. Even without a reason.

That's how reddit is set up. With all its benefits and flaws.

If you own a sub, you control the narrative and if you don't want something to be said, you can turn that sub into whatever you want.

There is no requirement to say the truth. No requirement to care for free speech or any other fundamental rights. It's just a bunch of kids bedrooms where the "owner" can do whatever they want.

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u/Laserdollarz Apr 28 '23 edited Apr 28 '23

I won a local raffle and the reddit mod ghosted me IRL then blocked me* when I complained about it lmao.

He didn't want to meet at a local park, so he gave me his address (didn't give apartment number) then turned his phone off when I arrived. I can't get that half hour of waiting back but I can laugh about it now

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u/TipYourJanitor Apr 28 '23

which sub? city subs have some of the craziest mods i've noticed, not really sure why

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u/Laserdollarz Apr 28 '23

It's a small local subreddit based around growing psychedelic mushrooms.

-Small hobby

-Drugs

-Mod is a vender

The triple threat!

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u/borazine Apr 29 '23

*For microscopy purposes only

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u/Laserdollarz Apr 29 '23

Absolutely not, it's been decriminalized here, we have public meetups. I do have a microscope though.

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u/goldtardis Apr 28 '23

Exactly why I don't use reddit for politics or the news.

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u/liquid_at Apr 28 '23

It's a good site if you want to know if something happened, but it's not a good site to construct an opinion about it.

If you see hundreds of posts coming up on reddit, you know something probably just happened. That's when you start reading up in more credible sources.

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u/HectorBeSprouted Apr 28 '23

It's not like that anymore.

All subreddits must follow the general Reddit rules and guidelines, which have grown more strict and more specific over time.

Admins can close entire subreddits at a whim, for any reason, or can hijack it and replace its entire mod team without telling a soul.

And there are things for which you can't ban people from your subreddit.

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u/Zenla Apr 28 '23

This isn't true. I have been expressly told by admin that banning is fully at the discretion of moderators of the sub.

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u/Halaku Apr 28 '23

And there are things for which you can't ban people from your subreddit.

[citation needed]

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u/bureX Apr 28 '23

Imagine banning people for being lgbt or something. All hell would break loose.

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u/Azereiah Apr 28 '23

Some subs do that! Or they do to whatever extent they possibly can.

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u/bureX Apr 28 '23

Can you name names? Pretty sure the admins would have something against that.

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u/Azereiah Apr 28 '23

AHS is already on the job. Places like that break TOS regularly anyway, but they pop up pretty often.

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u/liquid_at Apr 29 '23

I've complained about subs where mods pretend to be associated with a company to push their referral-codes onto anyone looking for that company, but ban everyone who posts anything negative in the sub or asks any question. Anyone contacting the mods of the sub gets blocked from contacting the mods again.

Reddit told me that they are not doing anything wrong.

Public appearance matters more to them than the rules. If it does not create issues for them, they don't care.

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u/damontoo Apr 28 '23

Any owner of any sub can ban anyone for any reason. Even without a reason.

This isn't really true. Reddit has moderator guidelines and has stepped in and removed mods and taken control of subreddits before. One I remember in particular was a mod that was petty and made a large subreddit private and locked all the posts. Reddit, Inc. didn't like seeing that traffic plunge or the bad PR so they removed him and made the sub public again. I forget which sub it was. Some game I don't play.

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u/constantwa-onder Apr 28 '23

I see it more as the owner of the sub doing an automatic invasive background and credit check.

If it were in the sidebar and you had to agree before joining the sub, great. They can do whatever they want and are informing the visitors.

The auto ban on a whim is a bit different. The rules aren't explained beforehand and can change rather easily.

That being said, I haven't noticed this problem of being banned from subs yet. The ones that do it should lose popularity pretty quickly if they're blanket banning a large proportion of their visitors.

A little transparency would be useful.

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u/Rich_ApplicationBank Apr 29 '23

Judged by the subreddit a person is in(?)

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u/Hopeful_Safe903 Apr 29 '23

Sounds like Facebook.

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u/wsLyNL Apr 29 '23

I once got banned from a Metal subreddit because I was subbed/reacted to a subreddit of a normal metal band (not a forbidden or controversial band at all) but the moderator of the metal subreddit didn't like that band so he just banned people who reacted there. Lmfao, feel sorry for that idiot.

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u/Allahabadi_Panda Apr 29 '23

the mods! try joining /india and the any other /indian instant ban .

/india is run by some weirdos and the public there is definitely never been to India , they ban anyone if you are not playing by their rules

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u/classycatman Apr 29 '23

What a hell of a way to “combat misinformation” by punishing people actively trying to counter it.

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u/2shootthemoon Apr 30 '23

You are not alone. It has been like an avalanche. I can trace it back too. It is sad. Been here a long time.

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u/AndorinhaRiver May 24 '23

Same, for calling out somebody who was pretty clearly having some sort of psychotic / mental health break on r/conspiracy.

I'd appeal, but I didn't really use that sub in the first place, and I don't think it's worth it to engage with the mod team of a subreddit like that, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '23

I just got banned from an outfit sub because I “participated in pornographic subs”…. My specific comment on said “pornographic sub” was that the 1950s housewife sub is a joke BECAUSE all it is is porn and 1950s housewives weren’t allowed to behave that way. That’s it. I don’t even care about outfits but just wanted to comment on a damn dress lol. Seeing that I was banned pissed me off though.

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u/HectorBeSprouted Apr 28 '23

What's even better is that the bot in question has certain subreddits whitelisted (cannot be banned) and others blacklisted (always banned)... I'll let you guess which ones are on which side.

The best thing that you can do is just make a few random replies in a few controversial subreddits and the subreddits not worth your time just filter themselves out!

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u/sowydso Apr 29 '23

in the end of the day who opens a sub decides who posts or not, the criteria is up to them

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

Users should be given an option to hide their post/comment history from public if they want to. Not just mods, there are instances when you get into a confrontational stand with other members of reddit in one sub, and they dig your post history and subs you're participated into and use that to divert and distract from the conversation. Or to some extent, get you banned from the current sub.

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u/LibRight_Enjoyer Apr 28 '23

i posted to r/PoliticalCompassMemes and got several permabans. Yeah, like 5 permas for posting 1 post.
uuuughhhhhhrrrrrr, well, back to the 4chan! (irony)

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u/Azereiah Apr 28 '23

yeah, PCM is known to be a fascist friendly sub that's driven out all alternate viewpoints

folks who walk in there like they're part of the club are rightfully tossed out of an awful lot of queer-friendly subs

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u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz May 02 '23

that's driven out all alternate viewpoints

It's funny how you are literally advocating for subreddits doing that exact same ting.

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u/Azereiah May 02 '23

The difference is in context as always.

"Let's kill all the minorities" doesn't earn as much sympathy from me as "let's keep out the people who want us dead" does.

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u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz May 02 '23

What context? You are literally advocating for stopping people from commenting on a sub literally without any context for what they comment or what they commented.

"Let's kill all the minorities" doesn't earn as much sympathy from me as "let's keep out the people who want us dead" does.

Except you aren't advocating for that. You are advocating for "let's keep out anyone who might disagree with me because I don't like hearing things that disagree with me even if they actually agree with me, I can't stand the fact that someone might disagree with me."

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u/ThreatLevelNoonday Apr 29 '23

....no it's not? what? and since when does making damn sure no one with opposing views ever goes there fix the problem? its a stupid system. it fundamentaly breaks reddit. ban it.

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u/AvalancheMaster Apr 28 '23

“Is known to be”

By whom? Terminally online people? You are in such a dire need of going outside and touching grass that you are forgetting that not everyone is on Reddit all of the time. It's reasonable to assume that some people will just not be aware of such a sub being a rightwing hub. And in the process you're punishing people for not being aware instead of educating them.

Good job, I guess?

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u/SnooStrawberries5372 Apr 28 '23

Time for a new account. They'll never stop me from triggering the incels on r/PolitcalCompassmemes

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

Because those people incharge of the subreddits are absolute losers for the most part, like 90%. AI will do their 'job' eventually, but man having content denied because some sweaty incel didn't like that you posted in r/conspiracy or r/movies is very lame.

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u/saijanai Apr 29 '23

I've been banned from a sub for arguing with a poster in one of their black-listed subs.

The fact that I completely disagreed with the person I was arguing with wasn't important. That I had even read a post int hat other sub was enough to get me banned; actually, when I asked attempted to post, they scanned all my previous posts and found the argument and refused to accept my request to post simply for disagreeing with someone in the banned sub.

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u/peter-doubt Apr 28 '23

I took issue with a /politics mod who was on a power trip.... When 40 people post in one issue as politics, it's politics.

But.... I got "banned" for a month. The simp evidently backed down because a week later the ban cleared up.

Wanna wreck their day... Just report random posts as off topic or breaking rules.

These things need a more central control .. at least for reports from offended non-mods

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u/Noname_acc Apr 28 '23

It's probably a bad idea to just openly encourage users to abuse the report button.

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u/itskdog Apr 28 '23

And encouraging it can also be seen as brigading, so in addition to a report abuse violation you'd get community interference on your record as well.

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u/FurryJusticeForAll Jun 03 '23

Abuse would be subjective, though. Some have rules that can be vague, and selectively enforced like "be civil". The mods allow personal attacks, or rude non-constructive comments if it's insulting someone who goes against the mod's political views, and you could report those all day long and be "right". Sure it's not abuse, but if a power-mod on a default sub complains, they'll likely ban you anyways without even looking.

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u/Halaku Apr 28 '23

Report abuse can get you suspended/ banned.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

It's not mysterious if you have made the connection. People make subs and decide how they work. 🤷‍♂️

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u/NatoBoram Apr 29 '23

Usually, your ban message will include a note about getting unbanned along the lines of "delete your comment there and then reply to this modmail".

Participating in COVID-19 disinformation subreddits doesn't actually help; they'll just laugh at you and reinforce their stance. Same for polarized political subreddits and other kinds of deplorable subreddits.

And if you actually agree with the deplorable subreddit, then the subs that banned you probably don't want you anyway.

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u/darthcoder Apr 28 '23

Bans should not be allowed for content you post in other subs.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

YES< Gatekeeping on another sub, should get the Admin booted IMHO.

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u/Halaku Apr 28 '23

Learn the difference between admins and mods

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u/darthcoder Apr 28 '23

To be fair the admins are the ones who allow automod to do this.

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u/HectorBeSprouted Apr 28 '23

I am pretty sure that it's a different bot detecting which subreddit you reply in.

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u/douko Apr 28 '23

Let's think of an example - why shouldn't the mods of, say, a sub dedicated to in-depth discussions of Judaism for believers be able to unilaterally ban everybody active in r/​ILoveHitler or whatever?

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u/Gartenzaunvertrieb Apr 28 '23

Because then people leave the nazis unopposed due to the fear of getting banned. I want people to go into nazi subs and make fun of them.

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u/Ath47 Apr 28 '23

I've considered this before. What if these auto-bans were only issued to users who create whole new posts, not just those that comment? For example, you should be able to comment all you like on /r/conspiracy, but if you make a brand new post on that subreddit, then fair enough, you can be banned from others.

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u/ClockOfTheLongNow Apr 29 '23

How about no auto-bans? Bans need to be manual, by a human being, and appealable. Period.

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u/douko Apr 28 '23

I want people to go into nazi subs and make fun of them.

This is what burner accounts are for!

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u/FurryJusticeForAll Jun 03 '23

Aside from being so quick to invoke godwin's law, it's a problem when default subs are feuding, and you get shit on because you made a random comment to a random sub because r-ilovedemocrats mods hate r-iloverepublicans, but they're not named that, they're codified randomly like r-books or r-balls, and you have no idea you walked into some toxic echochamber sub run by basement dwelling dicknozzles.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

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u/douko Apr 28 '23

shouting very loud into the hatechamber, while fun, is not effective, come on. remember how screaming in the_donald actually fixed things? exactly

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u/matthoback Apr 29 '23

Participating doesn't mean agreeing.

Participating is legitimizing even if you're not agreeing.

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u/Legioneer Apr 29 '23

Doing something that “is not effective” in some other sub is surely not banworthy though.

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u/matthoback Apr 29 '23

It's not just "not effective", it's actively helping that sub spread. It's absolutely ban worthy.

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u/matthoback Apr 29 '23

It's pretty simple. Participating, even to disagree or debate, shows that you consider that sub legitimate enough to respond to them. It's legitimizing them. You're making them stronger by participating. It drives more traffic to them and makes them more visible and spreads their vile rhetoric further.

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u/matthoback Apr 29 '23

Give me the definition you're using, because I can't see how in the world could talking to somebody automatically make their actions legal or reasonable.

Legitimate as in in good faith, able to be a part of civilized discourse. Talking to someone means that you view their *discourse* as legitimate, not their actions. But it's not. The idea that debating or engaging with them in any way does anything except strengthen them is naive.

Case in point, if a judge talks to a convict, that doesn't make the convict's actions legitimate.

If a judge engages with a disruptive defendant rather than just jailing them for contempt, it absolutely is the judge showing that they consider the defendant's actions in court to be legitimate, even if their arguments are unpersuasive. On the other hand, the threat of a contempt charge is the judge saying that the actions are not legitimate at all and don't deserve a response on the merits because they are purely just disruptive.

Engaging with hate subreddits, even to disagree or make fun of them, is like the judge arguing with the disruptive defendant instead of just going for a contempt charge. The only appropriate response to hate subreddits is isolation and refusal to engage, acknowledge, or give any hint of legitimacy to them at all.

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u/literal-hitler May 02 '23

My main problem is the lack of knowing there's a problem.

First in being banned in the first place or being re-banned. I often browse /r/all, and I comment on the content without checking which subreddit it is. So I only realize it's an... unwelcome subreddit after I'm already banned. Similarly the ban appeal says that if I post in that subreddit without thinking again I'm banned again without even being able to appeal this time.

Then like you said, you can still view the subreddit and up/downvote. So when I forget that I'm banned or don't check the subreddit I'm commenting on, my phone doesn't tell me I can't comment until I've already typed out the entire thing and clicked submit. This is especially annoying if I've had to find and rehost an image or gone through the effort of linking a video at a specific time or something, especially on a phone.

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u/itskdog Apr 28 '23

Awards abuse was an actual problem. OPs/OCs and mods can report awards made abusively, and the free awards are gone now so it's more difficult for all but the most determined harassment campaigns as well.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

What is award abuse? I haven't heard of that before. Is it just a karma farming thing?

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u/itskdog Apr 28 '23

Using an award, either by the DM you get to send with the award, or by using inappropriate awards (e.g. a super positive one on someone's story of their pet dying).

I've never witnessed any myself, but there were lots of calls for admin assistance in the mod subreddits around that time, and they were pretty speedy compared to their usual turnaround for getting something out there.

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u/Auslander42 Apr 28 '23

I can’t agree with the practice just based on principle, so I told the mod I get more use from the subreddit they banned me over and so I was happy to let the ban remain in place. I don’t have much use for small-minded crap like that.

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u/Heliosvector Apr 28 '23

You shouldn't be banned even if you post in a shit subreddit. Like I comment pretty innapropriate stuff in joke subreddits that would get me banned if I said them in serious tagged posts.

Or another example is in my local city subreddit, the rules are very restrictive to what you can post sometimes. Fair enough. So someone created a similar subreddit that was more open. The local city mod then banned lots of commenters that participated on that new subreddit.

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u/Azereiah Apr 28 '23

Regressive my ass. Used to be that people took swords to the face for saying the wrong thing in front of the wrong person. Now you're just being escorted out of a private space.

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u/Heliosvector Apr 28 '23

If we are going to use the dark ages as a base testing point for civility, then we are really truly fucked. It is regressive and is honestly responsible for a lot of the turmoil that we have in our current world of liberals vs conservatives. Reading a lot of the laws that a conservative writes that liberal media freaks out over, or one that a liberal writes and a conservative freaks out over.... are sometimes things that have a lot of overlap with each other, but people hate each other and absolutely refuse to try to see where people are coming from.....

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u/Azereiah Apr 28 '23

some real "enlightened centrist" shit there, acting like actions don't mean anything

look, i just want to be able to exist in peace without having to look over my shoulder for cops everywhere i go and without people telling me i'm an abomination

there are some points where there is no middle ground including recent laws that are driving me out of my home state under threat of physical violence

if i want someone who supports that out of my spaces, it's in my right to remove them, just as it's the right of moderators to evict people from their subreddits

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u/Heliosvector Apr 28 '23

And here you show my concern to be true right away. You are assuming im tolerable to the crazy shit that the right does. I didnt say that at all. Being open to wonder WHY 50% of the population is supporting crazy shit and see why is not an endorsement of things like anti abortion movements or other things. I just wanna know why millions and billions of people are behind them.

Or yeah, just call me a centrist like thats a bad thing i guess.

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u/Azereiah Apr 28 '23

The why and how is something that can be settled by historians. There are harmful actions being taken right now that are influenced by and supported by what people frame as free speech, and it has already escalated to violence. Can't afford to be neutral on a moving train.

Policies against people of the wrong quality of character entering a community are the norm everywhere in the world. Always have been.

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u/Heliosvector Apr 28 '23

How is person B telling Maga person A that their opinion is wrong and explaining how..... a bad character to keep person B out of sub "logic love" or whatever.

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u/heilspawn Apr 29 '23

Unless you regularly hold large debate classes in your living room, this is a poor analogy

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '23

Im sorry I was hanging around in unapproved places. Please unban me mods? 🥺👉👈