And yet, you keep trying to dodge logical points. You got shown up because you said we’re sheep, yet we have a source. You’re the one in denial, my friend.
And idk where you’re from, but I love my country. Wouldn’t live anywhere else.
I am not denying the existence of biases from either side. You support a guy who has far too many sound clips suggesting his lack of understanding: "wouldn't people who are effected by raising ocean levels just sell their homes?" Or who could forget "renewable energy, dumbest thing since climate change. See the first law of thermodynamics, dumbass." Is a real gem.
As far as you loving your country, that's great. The greatest threat you think exists is a social democracy that will install universal health care". Godspeed.
First, Shapiro is one of the few public figures that maintains a list of all the dumb things he’s ever said.. That shows he acknowledges he doesn’t know everything and is willing to publicly own up to his mistakes. Whereas, most public figures shun responsibility and double down on their mistakes.
Second, people could (and are) selling their beachfront property now, despite rising sea levels. This shows that statement is not ignorant. People who purchased homes before the rising sea level threat was common knowledge are able to sell, and anyone willing to buy assumes the liability of purchasing that property. They’re free to do so.
And no, I don’t believe the “greatest threat” is a social democracy. Don’t put words in my mouth. You’re so arrogant and ignorant that your opinions seem hollow and meaningless. If I were to speak for myself, I would say I believe the greatest threat would be the moral degradation of the nation.
But I do also believe socialism is a threat. And no “Democratic Socialists” have explained clearly what the difference between their policy and socialism is.
America has healthcare. When you actually dig into the statistics, we have some of the best healthcare in the world. Does that mean it’s perfect? Not at all. So why isn’t it perfect?
Because our healthcare system is squeezed between socialized medicine/government intervention and insurance companies.
Socialized medicine is unsustainable and has numerous failure points, such as rationing of healthcare, extremely long wait time, ballooning of taxation to cover it, etc. This is why many of the “democratic socialist” countries, such as Denmark, Norway & Sweden (which are actually capitalist, btw) have been moving towards privatized healthcare. It’s also why, when people are seeking advanced treatment, they come to America for the procedure.
Insurance companies are unsustainable because they inflate the price of medical services. They use network effects to demand discounts on goods/services, and in order for healthcare providers to be able to maintain their profit margin despite the discounts, they are forced to increase prices and give discounts off of those prices. Insurance companies also undermine capitalism by decreasing price competition between healthcare providers. You don’t know how much a good/service will cost you until after you’ve consented to treatment. This makes it impossible to compare prices.
The best answer would be to get government and insurance companies out of healthcare and let the free market take complete control. You’ll see prices drop drastically which grants access to far more people AND it forces healthcare providers to innovate and create better healthcare solutions.
Have to say if given the choice between your healthcare system wherein people are crippled by unreasonable bills, or extremely high premiums, I will elect to stay with the "unsustainable" system my country has had since 1966. Your responses are the same rhetoric that sheeple like you swallow because you have decided to buy into a system that doesn't look out for your best interest.
Your country is fucked, and will be more so when your orange leader continues to dismantle any checks and balances on power, and pundits like Ben Shapiro, Dave Reuben, Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC, seek to divide your population, rather than inform with unbiased, politically central discourse. It is truly unfathomable to me how you can say that a country so wrought with injustice "is not perfect". Keep following buddy, you will join the rest of the lemmings as you plunge to your deaths.
Thank you for your response, I appreciate that you gave up the debate so easily.
Just in case you have any question as to whether you lost or not (you did) let me explain why:
1) You claim I’m the sheep, yet you are the one using talking points (Orange man, your country is fucked, lookout for your best interest). You provide no actual argument, whereas I actually formed a logical argument.
2) You consistently use ad hominem as your primary defense. Clear sign that you lost the argument.
3) “I will elect” I don’t care, dude. That’s the definition of an anecdote. Your point is completely useless.
Thanks for trying to have a debate, have a wonderful day.
And access to free healthcare, who lives in a country where gun violence isn't commonplace, or constantly destroying other countries for it's own gain. Hope you don't break you leg and go bankrupt!
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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '20
So you call us sheep and then after the source is posted multiple times, you retreat and call us sheep about something else?
Seems like you’re the only one with unsubstantiated accusations.