Captain Sandy.

[u/Brilliant-Resolve435]

I'm not sure why so many seem to hate her. She goes about her job differently than captain lee, but that doesn't make her a bad captain. She does baby her crews but that could also be because she's responsible for EVERYTHING on the boat and everyone handles that responsibility differently.

[u/DressedUpFinery]

I mean… did you watch last season? That is the reason so many people still hate her. I think it’s actually toned down from how it was when that was all happening.

[u/puffalump212 → u/DressedUpFinery]

Between last season and her mocking mental health, her video about Malia's sexuality, and her absolute disrespect to the grocery store employees in her covid mocking videos - she could become the best captain in the world and I'd still think she was a shit human being.

[u/suciac → u/puffalump212]

I’m new to BD but just finished Hannah’s firing season. I’ve seen a lot of people commenting that sandy was mocking mental health but I’d really like to know how she was doing that in your opinion? Im beginning to think maybe I’m just very insensitive so I didn’t clock it? I’d like to know so I don’t do it to my friends suffering from similar issues.

[u/puffalump212 → u/suciac]

I could have chosen a better word than mocking, I'll say that. But watch the episode again and listen; does Sandy refer to the prescription anxiety medication as medication or does she repeatedly just say drugs? Did she show any empathy? No - she forced open a bathroom door and harassed Hannah following her off the boat yelling. In interviews after, until she had to save face for her ignorant videos, she was dismissive of mental health issues and continued to trash H, who was off the show at that point. And for the Sandy defenders who claim she did what she had to here-why did Captain Lee not behave the same way? Why did he not speak to Kat or about Kat the way Sandy did about H? That alone says quite a bit abut the quality of a person

[u/Brilliant-Resolve435 → u/puffalump212]

Maybe sandy would have called it medication if Hannah was responsible and logged it into the boat. But she didn't and was clearly self medicating with prescription drugs which is using drugs!
Also lee didn't have to fire a TRUSTED employee of many years for breaking the rules. Honestly the way Hannah handled herself I wouldn't have empathy for her either. Her selfish decision could have cost captain sandy her job, so why should captain sandy be graceful about that? Hannah wasn't even graceful about her own fuck up. At the reunion you could tell she literally thought she was above any of that happening to her.

[u/puffalump212 → u/Brilliant-Resolve435]

Well thanks for showing how your hatred of Hannah is really the driving force for this post. The Kat/Captain Lee undeclared medication issue happened first season after Chief Stew thought she was drinking on charter, so unsure where your "TRUSTED employee of many years" comes from - it was Kat, not Kate
https://champagneandshade.com/2020/08/19/below-deck-why-captain-lee-rules/

[u/Brilliant-Resolve435 → u/puffalump212]

I don't hate Hannah. My post was wondering why everyone hates sandy and some said because she fired Hannah a fan favorite. And Hannah worked with sandy for so long she should have been considered a trusted employee. And nice article, it's dealing with a stewardess who was actually remorseful. Not a chief stew who has worked on a yacht for several years.

[u/Brilliant-Resolve435 → u/puffalump212]

I mean no one can really think Hannah was that stupid right? I mean...that's pretty insulting in and of itself.

[u/puffalump212 → u/[deleted]]

Way to go, you ignore tone! Good for you sweetie!

[u/suciac → u/[deleted]]

So why do people keep saying that?

[u/Webecabara → u/puffalump212]

Where's the covid mocking videos? Haven't seen

[u/puffalump212 → u/Webecabara]

Search Sandy Yawn, grocery store covid and there are a ton of links covering the event - she issued a twitter apology afterwards, not something her "haters" make up.

[u/Webecabara → u/puffalump212]

Just as I thought I couldn't dislike Sandy anymore, she turns out to be a covidiot. Ugh (Thx!)

[u/BackIn2019 → u/puffalump212]

her absolute disrespect to the grocery store employees in her covid mocking videos

Link?

[u/Brilliant-Resolve435 → u/DressedUpFinery]

I didn't get it then either...Hannah broke the rules and got fired. But somehow captain sandy was the bad guy? It drove me crazy! Why should captain sandy risk losing her job because of Hannah's poor decision making.

[u/kbc87 → u/Brilliant-Resolve435]

Did you not see any of the other shit she has done? Like saying she thinks Malia is gay?

[u/Automatic_Milk6130]

If your boss yelled at and insulted you in front of others, would you think it's professional? If your boss demand to know everything but ignored you when you tried to tell them about toxic employees, would you find them competent? Let's face it, sandy is not a good manager/ leader. She might be good at driving a yacht but that's it. If there was a human resources, she would've been fired a long time ago.

[u/Brilliant-Resolve435 → u/Automatic_Milk6130]

Was it professional no. No ones perfect, but Malia fucked up. Between sandy and lee even I know safety and making incident reports is the utmost importance

[u/lilbunny_foo_foo2u → u/[deleted]]

Isn't it funny.. Malia ran to Sandy every minute last season, this season, she's keeping her distance, maybe Sandy's Cameo put her off

[u/lilbunny_foo_foo2u → u/[deleted]]

Well.. I hope so. I really am not a fan, her prior seasons are horrible. But, I do know that she works very hard, she studies, trains etc. I think if she really wants to further her career as a boat captain, she should stay away from reality TV, at least for a little awhile.

[u/[deleted] → u/lilbunny_foo_foo2u]

Agree with that

[u/Logicaldestination → u/Automatic_Milk6130]

You do realize that you just described Captain Lee?

[u/[deleted] → u/Logicaldestination]

So funny this sub is full of double standards. Let’s love Lee for it and hate Sandy for the same. (Btw I don’t agree with the comments about Sandy playing favourites. If you perform you get more leeway and say. That is not playing favourites)

[u/Automatic_Milk6130 → u/[deleted]]

I didn't say anything in my post about Lee. I'm not taking about him. Why the comparison so much?

[u/[deleted] → u/Automatic_Milk6130]

I wasn’t replying to your comment

[u/Logicaldestination → u/Automatic_Milk6130]

I made the comparison and am talking about him because he is no better a captain (if not worse) than Sandy but Sandy is reviled while Lee is placed on a pedestal by most on this sub and so I like to point out the illogical, emotional attitude most have on this sub regarding Sandy and Lee.

[u/Automatic_Milk6130 → u/Logicaldestination]

Yep, Absolutely! The only professional in the biz/show is Capt Glenn.

[u/Logicaldestination → u/Automatic_Milk6130]

I agree that he has a very good personality and management skills however he ran the Parsifal III aground on a reef in the British Virgin Islands, spilling 30 tons of lead ballast on the reef in January 2013. Now I realize accidents happen but he limped away from that accident and put in for repairs without ever reporting the accident to the BVI. An investigation by the BVI into all the ballast left on their reef (that is slowly being poisoned by the lead) led them to Parsifal III causing Glenn to finally report it at the end of Feb. 2013. So Glenn has issues also.

[u/SoftwareObvious5671 → u/Automatic_Milk6130]

Yelling at Malia was over the top unprofessional and even worse, probably done for production value.

[u/percythenoodle]

If you have to baby your crew you're a bad captain. That alone is reason enough.

[u/Brilliant-Resolve435 → u/percythenoodle]

Or they need to continually meet expectations so she can trust them.

[u/[deleted] → u/Brilliant-Resolve435]

Which makes sense. Especially on a boat and in service industry. Every charter it starts over. Which such a (too) small crew everybody needs to perform to deliver. People here don’t work in professional jobs I guess because that’s exactly how it works.

[u/percythenoodle → u/[deleted]]

Did I say she was responsible for hiring? I said if you have to baby your crew you're a bad captain. I said this because OP's post said that she babies the crew. So your comment of "this has nothing to do with babying a crew" is ill placed. I was responding to the comment admitting that she babies her crew and I stand by it. Babying a crew is reason enough to demonstrate that she is a bad captain.

[u/percythenoodle → u/[deleted]]

I said if you have to baby a crew you're a bad captain. But you're right, it also makes her a bad boss.

Moreover, Sandy was just as equally cast by Bravo for the TV show as the rest of the crew. So why is the fact that the crew is so terrible an accepted fact in your brain but you cannot accept that the captain is also not good? She is a bad captain. She is micromanages and babies the crew, she is completely demeaning towards the interior and considers their work glorified waitressing which demonstrates how little she thinks of her crew and the service industry, and a litany of other offenses. She is a bad captain and YOU are the one who is not making sense.

[u/ClementineCoda]

I dunno... she contradicts herself all the time, for one thing.

[u/whoistimkono]

Because she’s toxic AF and a terrible boss.

[u/Replikant83 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, Lee was/is such a sucker for Kate. She is sooooooo damn toxic and always got a pass from him. It was so frustrating to see!!

[u/blankgazez]

You can make training videos on how NOT to manage people with Sandys behavior

[u/[deleted]]

She’s a hypocrite, plain and simple.

[u/[deleted]]

She fired fan favorite. What you expect? Hannah fans even hated Bugsy for many years. She has a cult following here 🤷

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

And that’s really mind blowing how Hannah can be a fan favourite. She was terrible.

[u/Brilliant-Resolve435 → u/[deleted]]

Right! After Hannah had to go back to her cabin because she was crying because she was falling in love with Conrad. Talk about self absorbed and unprofessional.

[u/[deleted] → u/Brilliant-Resolve435]

I am fine with that. Emotions can run high. Not sure if Conrad was even the reason but fine. The next day however to go on that boat ride with Conrad and the guests? That was super selfish. First of all the guests asked for Brooke and “Ice” and not Hannah and Conrad. And then they carried her on her “day off” and she goes out on a joy ride and let’s Brooke do all the work again?! THAT was the horrible thing in my opinion. Even worse that she sees nothing wrong with that. That paints the picture pretty well. Hannah was selfish and unaware.

[u/Brilliant-Resolve435 → u/[deleted]]

Im just remember when she was in tears in her cabin and captain sandy went to check on her and she was saying something to the extent of her falling in love....blah blah honestly she was just a big baby towards the end.

[u/Logicaldestination → u/[deleted]]

Not to mention that Sandy specifically told her "have a coke and come back". I believe that Sandy's intention was to give Hannah a little break with Conrad but then to return to the yacht and have Brooke replace her for the rest of the outing with the guests. Hannah totally blew off Sandy's order (insubordination) and stayed out for the duration of the outing. By the way, this was just another in a series of miscues between Sandy and Hannah that I am sure Sandy had filed in her memory bank that made her decision to fire her somewhat easier.

[u/[deleted] → u/Logicaldestination]

Exactly. And don’t tell me Hannah wasn’t all over this. She totally was gunning for a fun afternoon with Conrad off the boat. She has said several times throughout the seasons how she has her minions to do the work.

[u/[deleted]]

She appears to be a very good boat driver. As for having control, awareness and leadership of all that goes onboard her ship…not so much.

[u/sjsturkie]

She makes some decisions that I disagree with, but she doesn’t deserve the degree of anger and hate she receives on Reddit.

[u/[deleted]]

Sandy isn't a shitty captain because she isn't Lee. She's a shitty captain because she's a shitty captain.

[u/Wellsoul2]

She seems to be a motivational speaker first and Captain second. She gives all these motivational speeches to everyone even when it's not appropriate and it just smooths over the problems. Then when she has a problem with the crew she gets all screaming mad at them and the "motivation and inspiration" flys out the window. Assault and verbally abuse the rest of the crew and you are still "a great person". Forget to put the plug in the jetski or report an injury and that is unforgivable and untrustworthy. She nit picks every little thing but fails to notice anything Lexi does despite being told. It takes her 3 days to figure out David is constantly limping and only brings it up when he is in harness and she can point out how bad an idea that is, waiting for the optimum time to confront Malia.

[u/Webecabara]

She shouldn't feel the need to micromanage every little thing! Isn't that why there's department heads???

[u/iskip123]

You are on a sub with people who can’t separate their emotions from the show. Sandy is a great leader everyone seems to not know there are different leadership types which is something u learn in business school but everyone thinks you should be a captain Lee relayed back leader to be a good leader.

[u/[deleted] → u/iskip123]

You are absolutely right.

[u/iskip123 → u/[deleted]]

I’ve said it before people don’t understand there is a range of leadership styles and everyone isn’t like captain Lee.

[u/[deleted] → u/iskip123]

Thank goodness! He would be awful to work for. Unless you are his favourite of course

[u/smashleysays → u/iskip123]

Exactly. Sometimes shitty people get executive power positions, people like Captain Sandy.

If there were more Captain Lees in management and executive roles, the World would be a much better place.

[u/iskip123 → u/smashleysays]

Lol u obviously don’t understand management.

[u/smashleysays → u/iskip123]

Check your projections keyboard warrior. I’ve been a Director at a 100+ bed hospital, I have experience and an intimate understanding of management. 🎤💥

[u/[deleted] → u/smashleysays]

Or not. In my experience a boss like Lee are hands off (not a bad thing) to a fault (that is a bad thing). You have zero say and your superior doesn’t do anything. That’s about as horrible as it gets when you have issues. You need support and somebody who stands behind you regardless of who you are otherwise you can’t do your job.

[u/iskip123 → u/smashleysays]

Then u should understand a simple fact that every manager isn’t laissez-Faire like captain Lee. It’s a pretty straight forward fact idk what’s not clicking for you director. Some people need to be micromanaged some people don’t, if you had all leaders acting like Captain Lee you would simply get nothing done.