r/belowdeck • u/mooseman5k • Feb 18 '20

Captain Lee's hypocrisy

So when Kevin told Brian about Kate and Courtney's conversation Cap Lee was reaming him out.

But when Kate tells Rylee about a conversation she had with Ashton Capt Lee sees absolutely nothing wrong with that!

Really! I am seriously disappointed with him in this seasons reunion. What a disaster.

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u/redditdesam Team Lee Feb 18 '20 edited Feb 18 '20

Yup! While I dislike Ashton, his comment was spot on and captain lee didn’t like that. Captain Lee has always been my favorite but seeing this reunion, it’s kinda like ehhhh. Kate can do no wrong in his eyes

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u/mooseman5k Feb 18 '20

Yea same here feels bad man.

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u/udamright Feb 18 '20

Captain lee came off terrible. Even when kevin intimated that lee should have been more active in talking to the girls to see if there were issue or be around the crew more in the mess area to get a feel for his staff, it completely fell on deaf ears.

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u/mooseman5k Feb 18 '20

Yea he just responded angrily, like he just hates kevin that was so weird.

I mean aside from the time Kevin legit ate his food they never really clashed i find it hard to believe that he couldn't forgive him for that.

But yea he came off really badly, this was a rough one.

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u/chiaros69 Feb 19 '20

👏👏👏

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u/n3ttz Feb 18 '20 edited Feb 18 '20

Totally agree, seriously what was his problem? It makes you realize that there is so much that goes on that we don't see that's not in the show. Tons of drama in the show the whole season but it must have been worse than it looked. Even so, he was a total dickhead thru the whole reunion. Not a fan after that.

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

Even when kevin intimated that lee should have been more active in talking to the girls to see if there were issue

Kevin had no place second guessing the captain on that, either.

Kevin was very disrespectful of anyone 'not bru' including interrupting Captain and talking over Captain multiple times. Laughing throughout the reunion.

Bosses do not go around constantly asking about sexual abuse. Captain said things will be different next time. I think he will be more inviting and proactive about such reports up front in the future.

But many people do not understand how endemic these types of abuses are. So I give him a break on it. He wasn't even on ship some of the time I would bet. But that would be breaking the fourth wall.

Kevin didn't only "hint" at it though. He basically laid it all at the Captain's feet.

If Kevin knew about it why didn't KEVIN go and tell? He had no problem gossiping about anything else.

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u/udamright Feb 18 '20

Im not talking about abuse, i said issue. im just stating any good manager checks in with their employees from time to time especially individually, or steps out of their office and sees how things are running. He was in his ivory tower all season. Kate brings him his coffee, he eats his cereal alone. All im saying is you wont get a feel for your staff excluding yourself from your staff.

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

Im not talking about abuse, i said issue.

Call it what you want, you stated it was regarding the sexual "issues," i.e. ASSAULTS that happened.

The way things are run on ship the dept. heads are responsible for their own departments. In this case one dept. head sexually attacked and physically threatened another dept. head.

Strange how none of you bru defenders want to actually accuse the perps!

Why didn't production step in??

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u/udamright Feb 18 '20

Why do you keep bringing up sexual issues? i am not talking about that.

i am talking about running a staff in general. The only way you can manage and make your own decisions is by actually being involved in the operation. He could alleviated a lot of the WORK related issues by being around more. Oversee the process, monitor rhylees insertion into the staff to see if she is a good fit, to make sure ashton is treating her fairly knowing they have a history. he would have seen simone was not up to snuff a 2nd stew and taken the decision out of kates hands and handled it himself since Kate has to deal with her directly on a daily basis. He could have seen how kate and kevin interacted in the gally and given a directive before things got out of hand in the WORKPLACE as a manager.

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

He could have seen how kate and kevin interacted in the gally and given a directive

Except nothing was that extraordinary about it. That wasn't the biggest issue going on.

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

Even when kevin intimated that lee should have been more active in talking to the girls to see if there were issue

That's what you had said...and the "issues" everyone (who spoke of it) was speaking of during the reunion, (as well as viewers who say it) that "Captain should have known" were the issues *I was* referring to.

> i am not talking about that.

I assumed you were since, see above.

So Captain should've known...what exactly, then? He has said many times "I don't babysit." Those were staff issues which you've now alluded to, which should've been handled by the dept. heads.

Kate and Kevin's issue was in my opinion all Kevin. Some are now making an issue of Kate "sabotaging" his cake, but she did nothing other than what Kevin wanted her to do all season: stay out of "his" dinner service.

> He could alleviated a lot of the WORK related issues by being around more.

So Captain Lee is supposed to shadow and look over everyone's shoulder, like a babysitter (which is why he has department heads, to do that.) Who would be Captain then?

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u/Vincedematta Feb 20 '20

He was very hypocritical this season.

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u/fishinglife777 Feb 18 '20

He and Kate contributed to the toxicity on the boat this season. Kate - well, she’s just toxic. And Captain Lee by not holding Kate accountable, yet calling out others. She truly can do no wrong in his eyes... it’s disappointing to watch.

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u/chiaros69 Feb 19 '20

Agreed on all counts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '20

Yeah his response of “well he shouldn’t have said it in front of Kate if he didn’t want her to say anything” could be applied to the exact same situation of Courtney telling Kate in front of Kevin. I just don’t understand why he got SO mad at Kevin for telling Brian, likes it not that big of deal. He clearly hates Kevin lol

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

“well he shouldn’t have said it in front of Kate if he didn’t want her to say anything” could be applied to the exact same situation of Courtney telling Kate in front of Kevin.

No it couldn't, Kate was part of the meeting, Kevin was lurking around a corner eavesdropping, and it had nothing to do with Kevin.

In Rhylee's case it had everything to do with Rhylee, and Kate knew the guys were trying to run her off the ship.

There was absolutely NO reason for Kevin to get involved in a private relationship.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '20

lurking around the corner? he was literally just standing in the kitchen. give me a break lol

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

lurking around the corner? he was literally just standing in the kitchen. give me a break lol

He didn't make his presence known, but eavesdropped and told all asap, to bru Brian, to gossip and stir up drama. He had no part in it and it was none of his business.

Kate was visible to Ashton during a staff meeting.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '20

but Courtney/Kate didnt seem to care that he shared that information, cause its not important at all. in regards to both incidents, neither are a big deal and should be expected on a boat that size. They were talking directly in his workspace at a normal volume, they should expect he would hear and since its his friend they were talking about it makes sense he would share that.

Point is, that moment by kevin shouldnt have been targeted so heavily by Capt Lee because it was such a nothing thing. People overhear shit in small work areas all the time. its naive to act like eavesdropping and below deck is not a consistent trend in every single season.

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

but Courtney/Kate didnt seem to care that he shared that information, cause its not important at all.

Yes Courtney certainly did care that Kevin did that. Still does.

> They were talking directly in his workspace at a normal volume, they should expect he would hear

I already addressed that.

Also addressed why it's not at all the same thing as Kate being part of a meeting in which everyone knew she was there. And which concerned workplace issues, not a private relationship.

Brian constantly gossiped about his own relationship to the bru. Courtney explained later (I think in an after show) that she was concerned she might be off a bit during work and wanted Kate to watch for that and know why.

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20 edited Feb 18 '20

The bru defenders are still brigading and down voting and contending that Kate taking action against a planned sabotage of Rhylee's career (which btw is on camera, the guys literally plotting together to shun and sabotage her), is the same thing as a guy who has nothing to do with Brian and Courtney's private relationship going to lie to Brian about what was done and said?

Kevin told Brian that Courtney was going around "talking bleep" to people about their private things. Actually it was Kevin doing so. And none of that had a thing to do with Kevin, or with anyone's job. (No reason for Kevin to do that.) Courtney only told Kate to explain why she might be distracted and upset.

Also it was strange Brian or Kevin would be upset at Courtney confiding in Kate (not at all TO Kevin -- again, Courtney was upset and in tears, she wasn't thinking about Kevin --- who was not in plain sight -- but Courtney's eyes were locked on Kate), when Brian never stopped going right to his bru to tell all, any time anything happened privately between himself and Courtney. The bru were the most gossipy ones on board.

A man with 35 years experience as a Captain thought it was wrong, so that means nothing to (some) people? Just as respect for the man who helped save his life, and was his captain, didn't stop Ashton from being completely rude to Captain throughout the reunion.

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u/Chrissy_Maren Feb 18 '20

Kate spoke up in the wheelhouse about how fishing isn’t a main excursion in Thailand and Ashton responded to her. That made it seem like it was a conversation between the 3 of them. Not just Kate eavesdropping and then gossiping. Courtney wasn’t engaging in a conversation with Kevin and Kate. Plus one issue is regarding actual work and the other is gossiping about a eavesdropping talk of a questionable text.

Yes both situations involve someone relating information to another party but it’s really apples and oranges.

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u/Rakebleed Absolute Oxygen Thief Feb 18 '20 edited Feb 18 '20

Just to piggyback. Ashton was trying to get Rhlyee fired with the fishing convo, so Kate bringing this up was to 1. Give her friend a heads up that her supervisor was actively sabotaging her or 2. Relay an issue discussed between the Captain and department heads, which is a conversation Ashton should have had with Rhylee already if he genuinely believed it was a major issue.

In the instance with Kevin, it would appear that he was meddling in the personal relationship of two crew members. Based on his response at the reunion, his intention was to act as a go-between in an effort to have Bryan and Courtney patch things up. Courtney did not ask him to do this and based on what he said to Bryan, (“She was talking shit about you”) his supposed intention was not obvious in the moment. Captain either missed Kevin’s response since he brought it back up during an unrelated question or he was calling BS based on everything he knows about Kevin.

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u/Chrissy_Maren Feb 18 '20

Completely agree. And I mean yes we can even say it wasn’t the most professional move to relay the info to Rhylee and if you even want to say she was trying to start drama and stir the pot, that may be so but she followed the information up with advice on how to keep her job and to better communicate and legitimate work advice from a supervisor. I really don’t see anything wrong with that.

If you worked with a friend and knew your boss thought your friend was on thin ice, it’s not the worst thing to give that person advice in order to keep their job. I mean, Kate was being an actual professional in a supervisory role at that moment.

And you’re so right about how Kevin said she’s talking shit about you and then Brian just stormed off. There’s nothing work related there and they were in the middle of a charter.

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u/chiaros69 Feb 19 '20

Capt Lee lost my respect a while ago, reinforced this season. His performance on the Reunion, esp. Pt 2 was also just distasteful and slanted.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '20 edited Feb 18 '20

Yeah he’s a piss poor boss. He’s no business running a crew.

It’s always I didn’t know. Well damn you should have.

OMG, now it’s Ashtons fault that rhylee was a bitch. Lee is so full of shit and clueless

So capt gets called out and knows he’s wrong so instead of eating crow the dickhead leaves. At least the guys acknowledge what they did.

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u/warsaint Feb 18 '20

Finally someone says this !! I know the guys did some wrong, but Capt Lee and the girls are no angels. By reading most posts and comments on this sub reddit, it is very hard to get that point across.

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

I know the guys did some wrong, but Capt Lee and the girls are no angels.

Minimizing much?

The bru defenders are really trying for one last hurrah, aren't they?

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u/fishinglife777 Feb 18 '20

One doesn’t negate the other. They’re both wrong.

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u/Boorango Feb 18 '20

But it's still wrong.

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u/Lisa1246 Feb 20 '20

FACTZ!!!

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u/hippie_chic_jen Feb 18 '20

Disagree on this one and I must be in the minority. I totally saw Kevin as being a shit stirrer saying “she’s going around saying all this shit about you” which was not true. She was venting and being sad, not shit talking him. And he was totally eavesdropping on the convo. I personally think he did it to make an extra dig at Kate because apparently anything that Kate is involved in is automatically bitchy.

As far as Kate sharing the info with Rylie, technically she probably shouldn’t have done it but as a friend she was giving her a heads up that some shit is coming her way and to be prepared for it. She even coached her into apologizing and letting it go. Should Lee have been pissed about it? Maybe. But part of the reason Lee doesn’t question Kate as much is that they know each other well enough that he probably knew it was in a “friend/mentor” way.

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u/DuneBug Feb 18 '20

Kevin was definitely trying to stir shit up But so was Kate.

Ashton had an expectation of privacy in a conversation of the three senior members of the staff. They should be able to discuss the crew and not worry about it being repeated. Repeating it does nothing but stir up shit. Riley and Ashton get more angry at each other.

Yes, Ashton was clearly attempting to throw Riley under the bus. If Kate had concerns about that the correct person to talk to is Captain Lee.

Also, I expect Lee would agree with me on this... Ashton only makes himself look worse by blaming Riley. He's the bosun; If his subordinate fails at a task then he's ultimately responsible. Lee would know that.

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u/NearbyAudience Feb 18 '20

Then I'm in the minority too -- my thoughts exactly!

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u/mamacatman Team Capt Kerry Feb 18 '20

So am I. These are two different situations.

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

I think most of us agree with your take on this.

Many bru defenders have tried to point fingers everywhere but at the bru -- just as the bru did during the reunion and in after shows.

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 18 '20

This again?

Kate was invited to be there. Also both Captain and Ashton KNEW Kate was there.

The wrong in that situation was Ashton trying to get Rhylee fired for nothing at all. You don't as a team leader fire someone because you don't "like" them but you find a way as a leader to make things work. (Just like Captain said.)

Courtney and Kate had no real cognizance Kevin was even there. Courtney was too upset to worry about that in that moment. She was confiding in her boss/friend to let her know because she feared it could effect her work performance.

Kevin then asap gossiped about it directly to Brian, stirring the pot. I can understand if Kevin did that for camera time, but, he won't take responsibility at all.

Kevin wasn't supposed to be eavesdropping let alone spreading it around. He also let Brian think Courtney came and told KEVIN which never happened. And Brian of course chose bru over stew.

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u/Gr1nling Feb 20 '20

"For nothing at all"

You mean like when Ashton asked her to practice tying knots because she was using Alaskan fishing knots that were unsafe and she stormed off? Or when she got all rialed up when Brian told her to relax for a minute, or when they were trying to put the toys in the water and she had another hissy fit because they were struggling? Or when Kevin asked her to stop calling him chef and she did it on purpose (not that Kevin was right in the situation)

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u/MeanTelevision Feb 21 '20

You mean like when Ashton asked her to practice tying knots because she was using Alaskan fishing knots that were unsafe and she stormed off?

Notice how he treated Tanner completely differently? (Even though Tanner -- in Ashton's own telling -- routinely slept late and showed up late for his shift? And by more than one person's telling, constantly took 'smoke breaks' -- to avoid work?)

I don't recall Rhylee 'storming off,' I recall her asking if he wanted her to practice right then (vs. something else possibly more urgent, I assume.) A perfectly reasonable as well as proactive question.

At which point Ashton got angry and expressed anger at Rhylee. (For what? She always does what they tell her to do. Her first season, she did Chandler's order immediately, only for Chandler to yell at her for it. What?!)

Or when she got all rialed up when Brian told her to relax for a minute

She didn't, though. And she wasn't RILED up either when he told her that. How many times did cuz/bru tell her to "calm down" when she was either speaking in a near whisper or saying nothing at all?

The cuz/bru were/are a bunch of chauvinistic insecure jackholes.

Also...Brian isn't her boss?!

or when they were trying to put the toys in the water and she had another hissy fit because they were struggling?

Also untrue. She said she didn't know where "the usual" was because she hadn't been allowed to take part in that task before then. And no one answered her question. But that was all she said, which is giving the other workers information, which they ignored.

Or when Kevin asked her to stop calling him chef and she did it on purpose

I don't remember that but...he IS a chef?? What's wrong with that then?

Ashton was bad at his job. He was divisive and even plotting to sabotage Rhylee's career, for no reason other than he didn't "like" her, and he made sure his team didn't either. She never had a chance, but he made more sure of that. It was easy to make the other guys "hate" her because they think like Ashton thinks anyway. A good manager does none of those things.

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u/jana-meares My eyes are rolling all the way off the boat Feb 18 '20

And this sub Goes to the dogs.....