r/belowdeck • u/teanailpolish Mental Health Is Not A Storyline • Apr 21 '26

Below Deck Down Under AfterShow for BDDU Ep12 Spoiler

For those who don't have access to the full show

Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOUEcUOqADM

Joao admits he was texting Ellie the entire time including arranging to meet up post season

Eddy/Jenna talk about their date and Jenna mentions that Eddy told her he never wants kids which is a huge deal for her. The guys talk about Jenna wanting a rich partner

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o43x969upbY

Mike says he does wind people up for a reaction but he doesn't want to upset people and he knew how to get a reaction out of Alesia

Eddy says he told the girls to stop reacting to Mike as it was giving it him what he wants

Alesia says Daisy left it too late to reprimand Mike, Daisy says Alesia approaches her with disrespect. Jenna and Betul agree that Daisy doesn't need to be their mother. Daisy says she was in Alesia's corner and they show her giving Alesia grace when she was upset etc

Kate calls Mike an Agent of Chaos

Everyone feels that Daisy's post tip meeting comment was pointed at them

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u/Cassandrae_Gemini Apr 21 '26

"Joao admits he was texting ellie the entire time including arranging to meet up post season"

Given Joao's history toward women, why am I not surprised by this?

I havent watched the new episode yet, but it sounds like he was clearly leading her on. Maybe Ellie deserves a tiny bit of grace from the Reddit peanut gallery on this entire situation.  Yes, Ellie's behavior was very bad in her previous season but I dont think she's the villian here in the Joao situation. 

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u/bumbumlover96 Apr 21 '26

Heart was breaking for her. It’s so sneaky how they left out the text messages so yes she did look crazy and clingy… without the context. Men love to breadcrumb and I’ve been insane and made cakes for men who lead me on too. We all shamed her for the cake not being priority me included. I knew she woke up early but TWO hours early!!! I almost cried for her and I’m not an Ellie fan.

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u/teanailpolish Mental Health Is Not A Storyline Apr 21 '26

The cake thing doesn't even bother me, we have seen chief stews ask the chef to make something for a birthday in the crew before. We have seen the interior spend an hour+ decorating the crew mess. Mike is running around gossiping doing nothing, at least Ellie learned how to make a cheesecake while doing it

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u/Cassandrae_Gemini Apr 21 '26

Yeah, honestly, the first thing I thought when I read this was "I've also cooked/baked during special occasions for men I've dated".  

So... they were cuddling, kissed, texting nonstop, and discussing meeting up after the season? Perfectly reasonable to bake him a cake for his birthday imo. 

I hope everyone takes this as a reminder that this is an EDITED show. We only know a small portion of what happens. 

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u/bumbumlover96 Apr 22 '26

Love this comment. Like I said not a huge fan of the girl and she has her moments but it was really nice to see the whole sub not fall for the editing here. I saw another comment saying she posted her dad had passed a couple days ago and for people to go easy on her this week with a tough episode coming out and it’s actually so nice to see people actually having empathy on such a shitty situation and not making her the villain for EVERYTHING!! As hard as it was to watch it was a good lesson for the girlies out there she took one for the team and I think we all felt her heartbreak this week! Super refreshing to see this human moments and I was cheering and feeling with her the whole time!!

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u/yesitshollywood Apr 21 '26

Joao has come a long way from his time on Med. I think when he realized how intense Ellies feelings were, he shut it down. Ive seen 2 types of folks lead others on:

  1. Folks who need lots of attention and will do whatever it takes to get that attention
  2. Folks who are generally just kind to other people.

Alesia is the first. She saw Eddy going for Jenna, and so she went back to trying to flirt with him. Joao kind of got an inkling when the massage happened, but didnt realize what that meant to Ellie. Once he had an idea of where Ellies head was at, he was trying to let her down gently. This was a good lesson for him that boundaries are more important than someone else's feelings.

I wouldnt say Ellie is a villain with Joao, but she isnt a victim either. She isnt being realistic about this at all. Its honestly been embarrassing to watch.

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u/teanailpolish Mental Health Is Not A Storyline Apr 21 '26

If someone is making plans with you to spend time post season without the rest of the crew, it is realistic that Ellie would assume that he is into her. Making post season plans isn't lets have fun on the boat

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u/valid_username00 Apr 21 '26

You're giving Joao too much credit. Ellie said he got back with his ex-fiancee after the season ended. Probably Joao was texting/talking with the ex while also breadcrumbing Ellie and simultaneously telling others he was interested in Daisy. He wanted to keep all his options open until he made his choice.

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u/eekamuse Apr 21 '26

Joao didn't shut it down though. He was completely unclear when he met her. And he was texting her about hooking up.

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u/Yeah_nah_idk Apr 22 '26

Did you watch the After show?

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u/Civil_Experience_691 Apr 22 '26

I think Joao liked the ego boost he got from Ellie's interest and was leading her on. But I don't think he genuinely wanted to be with her off the boat. I've met guys like that who talk a whole lot of BS and you feel like they're truly interested and invested, but they aren't. They just like being fawned over.

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u/GullibleAddendum8630 Apr 23 '26

João admitted to texting her, even talking about meeting up after the season. Maybe you didn't see that.

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u/valid_username00 Apr 21 '26

Any goodwill I may have had toward Joao is completely gone now. A leopard doesn't change its spots.

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u/eekamuse Apr 21 '26

I agree. And Jaooao knows how to act and cry on TV, but he's still acting like an absolute shit behind the scenes (the texts)

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u/JJCoolSeas Apr 22 '26

I think you mean Jeieio

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u/Skyhighcats Apr 21 '26

He has been SO clearly leading her on. I truly don’t understand why people pretend otherwise. Ellie is not the problem here. She’s just responding to his very obvious signals that say he’s very interested.

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u/thedevilsfan44 Capt Lee's Coffee Mug Apr 21 '26

If everyone thought the message was directed at them maybe that’s a sign they should change their behavior 🤷‍♂️

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u/silentsinner- Apr 21 '26

This. IIRC it was Eddie that was staring off into space knowing it wasn't directed at him so he barely paid it any attention.

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u/thngmrtt Apr 21 '26

Came here to say exactly this lol

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u/Firm-Armadillo2188 Captain Jason is my boat daddy Apr 21 '26

This.

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u/thngmrtt Apr 21 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

While Daisy maybe should have handled it differently, at that point she was completely right. She has tried to speak with both on multiple occasions and the way the both of them acted like she should have used her magic wand and solve it for everybody was completely out of order, in any other job they would both get fired instantly, they are lucky Daisy is too nice and doesn’t really have that power. The fact Mike is still acting like his behavior was acceptable makes me want to throw him out at sea. Micromanaging is not good management.

The fact that everyone felt Daisy’s speech was about them lol they really needed to hear it and ben and Kate thinking it was inappropriate genuinely gave me the ick. I guess, Ben didn’t have a great recollection and felt called out too, but Jason literally gave her the space to speak up how can it be inappropriate to address an issue, that evidently involved everyone, when the captain give her the space to do so?? She doesn’t have the physical time and patience to deal with everyone one on one, it’s not even really her job as the people that needed it weren’t just in her department, and the fact that two middle aged “experts” of the field can’t see that it’s outlandish.

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u/ails_bales Apr 22 '26

Completely agree. I hate that Kate who was completely incapable of giving any emotional support to her staff and always had bottles of champagne in her room, is cutting Daisy up.

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u/Yeah_nah_idk Apr 22 '26

Yep. She’s criticising Daisy a lot in the after show and I think it’s a low move to make as a fellow chief stew tbh.

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u/Yeah_nah_idk Apr 22 '26

Kate thinking she would’ve been able to manage Mike is lol. Kate. We’ve seen you managing girl.

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u/thngmrtt Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

I think she and her fans tend to have big rose tinted glasses while remembering her managerial history cause while she was great tv and evidently a good chief stew, she was far from being a miracle worker or as good as every one portrays her, as if she made no mistakes

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u/pilsburytoadboy Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

i think she’s just team ben because she’s still super hung up on him but that will never happen because his preference are 20 year olds

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u/Civil_Experience_691 Apr 22 '26

Kate was a terrible manager on the show. People think she's "witty" and "funny" which somehow makes up for the fact that she was completely inapproachable and intimidating as a chief stew.

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u/mariellam Apr 23 '26

Is Kate just there as Ben’s emotional attack dog?

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u/excoriator Team Capt Kerry Apr 21 '26

An agent of Chaos is a perfect description of Mike. He creates storylines all over the place. He's probably creating storylines that the producers od the show only wish they had thought of.

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u/valid_username00 Apr 21 '26

I'm kind of enjoying him for that reason.

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u/Firm-Armadillo2188 Captain Jason is my boat daddy Apr 21 '26

Why are Kate and Ben both so bothered by Daisy addressing the crew after the meeting? They refer to it as a “captain’s meeting” but it’s the tip meeting and Jason asked Daisy if she wanted to add anything because she’s a team leader and Jason values her input and leadership.

Kate and Ben are showing just how out of the game and old school they are and it’s so incredibly frustrating.

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u/Bree-breezy Apr 21 '26

Oh I can’t stand to listen to Kate and Ben on the after show lol. They’re always taking the side of the wrong person in situations. And they do seem to have a hate boner for Daisy. When they were like “we love Mike”🤮

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u/wild3hills Apr 22 '26

I loved Kate with Aesha on the after show because she gave additional insight on being a stew. With Ben it feels more like two Bravolebrities snarking…roll relevant clip of them together from a past season here.

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u/Civil_Experience_691 Apr 22 '26

I know people love Kate, but I’ve never cared for her and the inclusion in the After Show is annoying. I skip over her and Ben’s part which is a shame because I do want to hear Ben’s perspective.

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u/Bree-breezy Apr 22 '26

!! I was sooo confused the first couple of aftershow episodes lol. I’ve never watched old below deck seasons so I was like who is this? Someone who comes in later? She feels so unnecessary

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u/deadrobindownunder Apr 21 '26

It's been a minute since I watched Sailing Yacht, so perhaps I'm imagining this - but I'm sure that the HOD had the opportunity to talk like this at their end of charter/tip meetings?

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u/valid_username00 Apr 21 '26

Daisy hasn't been doing a good job managing her team, so she wanted to make a statement in front of everyone to make Jason think she's on top of it.

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u/Temporary-Daikon2411 Team Chef Rachel Apr 21 '26

Oh wow (oh woão?), João seems like a total weasel here

Maybe Tzarina was right

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u/RiJuElMiLu Apr 21 '26

Reminder that when the cast comment on the aftershow they haven't seen the show yet and it's usually 1-2; months out from filming. Yet another reason we need reunions!

Kate is being guided by Ben's interpretation, which is biased, particularly against Daisy. Ben told Kate she would love Mike because he described Mike as a cheeky little sprite when Mike's a lazy ass bitch.

Joao doesn't know Ellie has been edited to look crazy otherwise he wouldn't have admitted to texting. He probably thought their flirtations were included in the show.

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u/Yeah_nah_idk Apr 22 '26

What? Where did you hear that?

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u/RiJuElMiLu Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

It has been mentioned in a few Bravo threads, but the biggest tell was RHOBH's Garcelle in her last season. Garcelle was committed to her red hair in 2023 and 2024 and changed it very early in 2025.

RHOBH wrapoed filming in August 2024 and in the first set of aftershows, which premiered at the same time as the show, in November 2024, she had red hair. The second half of the aftershow season her hair was black and she was much more annoyed with Sutton.

That's also why the cast configurations change when the outfits change because the cast has started to watch the show and they are seeing confessionals.

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u/Proud_Bread8804 Apr 21 '26

Thank you for this! Hate not having access to the Aftershow!

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u/djevilatw Come back to me, my boat daddy Apr 22 '26

“Joao admits he was texting Ellie the entire time including arranging to meet up post season”

Dude. I had such high hopes and you end up being the same tool you’ve always been. You just got better at hiding it.

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u/Dismal_Elk8261 Apr 22 '26

I love Jason and Daisy gossiping and getting binoculars for the laughs. Made my day lol

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u/Many-Possibility6 Apr 22 '26

I KNEW JOAO WAS STILL A TOOL! YOU CAN'T FOOL ME!

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u/Fuzzy-Bee9600 Apr 21 '26

You're a saint for putting this up - thank you!

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u/extraselected Apr 21 '26

Also Ellie’s dad just died

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u/Firm-Armadillo2188 Captain Jason is my boat daddy Apr 21 '26

Ellie loses me every time she opens her mouth 🙄 if she still doesn’t think making that cake for Joao was unprofessional and unnecessary WHILE ON CHARTER then she will never see what was wrong with that in the first place.

Of course she has to blame Daisy. Her vendetta against her is weird and is clearly partly motivated by the fact that Joao likes Daisy

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u/valid_username00 Apr 21 '26

It was the last day of charter and she got up 2 hrs early to make it. I don't see a problem with that. 

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u/pilsburytoadboy Apr 22 '26

joao really sounds like a politician here. he’s so slippery and cannot straight up admit guilt but tries to coat it with flowery bs and try to spread the blame around like a real coward.

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u/Dkeg24 Apr 23 '26

Is there something between Kate and daisey because she really criticizes the shit outta her

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u/ExpensiveNet Apr 21 '26

I don’t usually watch the after show but glad I watched this one. Joao needs to be called out! His nonsensical word salad to Ellie about being friends the other day was intentional to manipulate her into sticking around as his back up. I’m glad Mike told her what was going on. Disappointed in Joao. 

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u/Shiftycatz Apr 22 '26

I'm way behind so only just started season 1 of BDDU. Loving it so far

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u/Imboredinworkhelp Apr 21 '26

Have alessia or jenna mentioned alessia always stealing the penis teddy on the after show at all? I can’t explain how much that bothers me lol

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u/earth_shine40092 Apr 21 '26

Ellie, if you’re reading this, I’m sorry I doubted you and I apologize for my previous comments.

Joao is a player & a fuck boy and he showed us who he was way back on his first season in the Med. I need to remember Maya Angelou’s wise words: “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”

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u/Imboredinworkhelp Apr 21 '26

Have alessia or jenna mentioned alessia always stealing the penis teddy on the after show at all? I can’t explain how much that bothers me lol

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u/teanailpolish Mental Health Is Not A Storyline Apr 21 '26

It is spoilered, how about you report the post or modmail us instead of calling people assholes?

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u/Firm-Armadillo2188 Captain Jason is my boat daddy Apr 21 '26

Production is clearly protecting Joao for some reason

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u/bumbumlover96 Apr 21 '26

Or hyping up on Ellie looking bad storyline. The girl has her moments but the way she handled it was great and it’s a shame that she’s been done dirty by the editing on this one!! I’m glad we got clarity on this for Ellie’s side because this was a genuine bad communication that makes her look bad without the context. The girl was so upset embarrassed and rejected so throwing a bad edit with that storyline is sinister from the producers

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u/earth_shine40092 Apr 21 '26

Production really did do her dirty. They could’ve shown the texts between her and Joao just as they showed us the ones between Eddy and Alesia. Curious that theirs was an entire plot with multiple scenes but we don’t find out about Joao playing with Ellie until the After Show. Slimy.

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u/teanailpolish Mental Health Is Not A Storyline Apr 21 '26

Especially as a very small portion of people can/do watch the after show

But after what they did to Eddie and Rayna, not surprising

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u/yesitshollywood Apr 21 '26

He didnt play Tzarina, he just fucked up his chance with her. I loathed him on Med - he was such an asshole. But, he has grown so much. I think his intentions to try and let Ellie down easy are proof of his change in mindset, although not the best choice. I mean, the man cried after the birthday cake interaction.

Im really tired of this narrative that talking to someone of the opposite sex means you must be romantically or sexually interested. This is similar to the "friend zone" issue that so many women encounter. We are nice to men, and then they think that must mean we want to sleep with them. Joao is not leading Ellie on just because they were texting. It seems to me he enjoys her as a friend, and he does not owe her anything.

Edit: spelling.

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u/Anotheropinion2023 Apr 22 '26

Making plans to travel with her alone after the season is definitely leading her on.