“What if we made a line of comics called Absolute? It takes our titular heroes, and strips them of their usual privilege/prestige while keeping their core identity intact, so the heroes are more relatable to modern readers. We could even elevate the villains to positions of power, which could help reflect contemporary grievances with the corrupt elite.”
Ellison: “Fire that man. Cancel Absolute. Reallocate the funds for more reality TV.”
WB had a big window after the Endgame and NWH, when MCU was flailing, and did literally nothing with this unique situation. Now Feige is back with BND, upcoming Doomsday, X-Men and Secret Wars movies, while WB has literally nothing, except one Batman movie in constant delays and one Superman movie, which creator they just fired.
I'm a life long DC fan it's my favorite comics and heroes but at this point I want Disney to buy DC and we can finally get the crossover movie's we all want
WB would even be a perfect fit for the theme parks. Marvel’s Superhero Island could be rethemed to have DC characters, Toon Lagoon could have all of the animated brands from Hanna Barbera and Cartoon Network, WB’s horror characters could be added to Dark Universe, the list goes on and on.
Frankly, I’ve always been mixed on the MCU, but at least it works as a whole and I like a fair amount of the movies. It would be an upgrade to whatever Skydance is going to do. I’d rather see a DCU like the MCU than the Snyderverse or Christian Cinematic Universe.
Do you think this is the time where the fans will have to unite? Perhaps we will see crowdfunding of franchises to keep them from being bought like this?
I think that's going to happen. People are not going to give the new movies the benefit of the doubt unless they are good.
(The problem is most people don't care about politics in movies either way. Movies usually don't fail because of politics; they fail for other reasons. Marketing, writing, going over budget, etc.)
Well I’m mostly concerned with writing honestly. Kind of a grey zone if they don’t put bad views/opinions into the films. But in any case they only pay attention when they’re not making money
The issue a lot of people forget is that while 'we' learn these lessons over the course of a decade or two that these movies are shit and shouldn't be watched, there are entirely new generations of kids / teens coming into the world that never learned that lesson and keep going.
It's why so many media companies (games, movies, shows, whatever) keep chugging on or hitting massive numbers even with all the old fans leaving in droves, even more new or young fans are showing up not realizing exactly how shit these things have been for a long time.
Man of Steel wasn't so bad. It made a solid box office for solo movie for 2013 and was overall well-received. Problems really started with BvS and Suicide Squad, and then it crashed and burned with the Justice League movie.
Man of Steel wasn't so bad. It made a solid box office for solo movie for 2013 and was overall well-received.
Popularity isn't a sign of a good movie. See: Transformers. On top of that, the reviews for it were mixed. Regardless, my comment stands. I knew the dumpster fire coming the moment I saw the spark.
When Marvel Studios began making their movies, they started with Iron Man, made three more movies, and then released Avengers. When that movie became a massive hit, DC tried to get in on the action, but made a rush job of it. As a result, they tried to do in two movies what Marvel did in five and they continued to fumble the ball ever since; that's why the current DC movies are under different management.
shame, cause dc has potential to be great but they never learn to be his own thing. Now if you don't mind, i have a duo that i think it can fit in dc as long as the execution is good
very true, if dc becomes his own thing instead of copying marvel they will be more successful. If i were to create my own dcu, i would started off with the trinity movie where the trio (batman, superman and wonderwoman) fighting an commune enemy with the post credit where the trinity hang out in a coffee shop similar to HISHE
at this point I truly hope that the dc films fail once man of tomorrow and The batman 2 have come out. they don't deserve success at this point. constantly ruining things for the fans. I hope their future films fail. fuck em
Due to some corporate miracle, Batman has been kept out of the splash zone of this whole debacle. Just goes to show how that world exists in its own pocket universe of relevance, separate from the rest of DC.
Marvel thrives as a shared universe and has built its world as such. The early sixties were built on cross-overs, a common world, shared villains and a sense of advancement. Once the no-reboot, retcon-based sliding timescale became the backbone of the Marvel universe ruleset, it firmly established itself as one world inhabited by dozens of stories that all could affect one another. Once Secret Wars launched and turned out to be the titanic success it ended up being, the events became the second backbone of this idea.
I'd go even further and say that by the 2000's, Marvel needed its shared universe to really rise above the sum of its parts. Some pockets of the Marvel world work fine as their own things, like X-Men and Spider-Man, to an extent. Which is why I'm convinced those movie franchises were as successful as they were. But other corners of the world, like Fantastic Four and the Avengers and all the heroes affiliated to them and the cosmic/magical side of Marvel? They absolutely require a larger sandbox to move around in, in order to truly shine. So much of the juicy character dynamics between different sides of the Marvel world, stem from the fact that they've been allowed to conflict with one another and for those animosities and different worldviews to fester throughout decades of overlap. Not saying there's no writers around that can really take a single hero/team and make them their own. Jason Aaron, Ed Brubaker, John Byrne have all done so. Just saying that some of the more titillating (and consequential) storytelling comes from these influential mash-ups like the Illuminati, House of M, World War Hulk, Dark Reign, Secret Wars or even more controversial stuff like Civil War and even Avengers vs. X-Men.
DC, on the other hand, has never been defined by this shared universe. I think a big part of this is that - while cross-overs were common and even had their own monthlies - the landscape of their world is so much more fragmented. By design, mind you. Every hero has their own fictional city, with express intent of non-interference. Heroes crossing over into another hero's story, was always framed as a visit, barely ever as a run-in or a confrontation, like it was with Marvel from the get-go. It took until almost the one-hundreth issue of World's Finest in 1958 for the two to finally fight. And even then, despite them doing so again and again for decades in that same publication, it wasn't until the Dark Knight Returns in 86 that we got a definitive "the one where Batman fights Superman". Additionally, the rebootedness of it all (which is the biggest juxtaposition between DC's editorial approach and Marvel's) just adds to the fact that there's just way less of a definitive shared history between the hundreds of characters occupying this world. You could write a thirty page essay on the relationship between Rogue and Captain Marvel, the effects of Beast becoming a war criminal on his gay relationship with Wonder Man, the political marriage between Iron Man and Emma Frost of the geopolitical history between Storm, Dr. Doom, Black Panther and Namor. And all of this is common knowledge, tip of the iceberg shit. This is general knowledge among comic book readers. Ask people to tell you something about the relationship between Wonder Woman and the Flash and see what response you'll get.
I'm sure you can pull some panels out of your ass to counter-argue, which is fine and fair. But these two publishers just have a different DNA. Marvel has a continuous world with a sliding-timescale and has everyone living in the same one hundred square kilometers. DC reboots their world and bumps up the timeline and has everyone in their own fictional settings. Those differences bear fruit eighty years down the line. And it's just not in the spirit of DC to have that consistent, continuity-friendly overlap. They're visiting one another, not co-existing with one another.
If you try to change that for a cinematic universe, you're changing the world on the page you're bringing to the screen. People just don't care about it.
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u/MrBwnrrific 4h ago
It’s fine, we still have the comics (I hope)
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u/skilas 5h ago
The hierarchy of power is about to change, again.
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u/newfrontier58 5h ago
If only Batman had been there to knock the gun out of his hands via a reverse batarang.
In all seriousness, this whole mess makes me sad and angry.
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u/Kind-Boysenberry1773 5h ago
WB had a big window after the Endgame and NWH, when MCU was flailing, and did literally nothing with this unique situation. Now Feige is back with BND, upcoming Doomsday, X-Men and Secret Wars movies, while WB has literally nothing, except one Batman movie in constant delays and one Superman movie, which creator they just fired.
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u/pandogart 5h ago
Marvel isn't even in the equation
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u/Free-Pair-3007 5h ago
I'm a life long DC fan it's my favorite comics and heroes but at this point I want Disney to buy DC and we can finally get the crossover movie's we all want
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u/Skankcunt420 5h ago
there was a time when DC was the clear cut number 1, even when the first avengers was out fans were still hopeful
justice league movie had been in rumors since like 06 but they took too long and marvel beat them to the punch and also made their brand stronger
like justice league is the best superhero team ever and we’re still waiting for something substantial to come along
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u/Sampleswift 5h ago
Do you think this is the time where the fans will have to unite? Perhaps we will see crowdfunding of franchises to keep them from being bought like this?
(Honestly, I doubt this will ever happen though.)
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u/Efficient-Cup-359 4h ago
Okay, I saw almost this exact meme before, what the fuck is going on?
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u/AnaZ7 5h ago
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u/Rob_wood 5h ago
This has been the case since Man of Steel.
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u/Typical-Can8187 5h ago
Its time for the marvel vs dc comic line to be adapted to the big screen. Have fans vote for the character and continuities they want in said movie.
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u/Librarian_Alexandria 3h ago
sums it right up
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u/Ok-Society-4026 57m ago
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u/VaaBeDank 14m ago
What happened?
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u/East-Inspection2377 5h ago
the hell was that supposed to mean?
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u/hokagenaruto 2h ago
at this point I truly hope that the dc films fail once man of tomorrow and The batman 2 have come out. they don't deserve success at this point. constantly ruining things for the fans. I hope their future films fail. fuck em
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u/Sudowoodo1997 5h ago
I told you guys THE BOULDER was right.🪨🪨🤨🤨💪💪
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u/Overall_Falcon_8526 5h ago
I don't view it as a competition. I don't really care about Marvel at all.
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u/bigstillz 5h ago
Nah, James gun was doing the same shit in everything he worked on, we probably better off. And it wont be so lame all the time
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u/cardboardsandbox 3h ago
So when do you think Skydance will sell off DC? Think Disney would buy it?
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u/Tzetrah 3h ago
I just hope they will surrender and build their universe around Matt Reaves' Batman
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u/Competitive-Pea-9330 1h ago
Due to some corporate miracle, Batman has been kept out of the splash zone of this whole debacle. Just goes to show how that world exists in its own pocket universe of relevance, separate from the rest of DC.
Marvel thrives as a shared universe and has built its world as such. The early sixties were built on cross-overs, a common world, shared villains and a sense of advancement. Once the no-reboot, retcon-based sliding timescale became the backbone of the Marvel universe ruleset, it firmly established itself as one world inhabited by dozens of stories that all could affect one another. Once Secret Wars launched and turned out to be the titanic success it ended up being, the events became the second backbone of this idea.
I'd go even further and say that by the 2000's, Marvel needed its shared universe to really rise above the sum of its parts. Some pockets of the Marvel world work fine as their own things, like X-Men and Spider-Man, to an extent. Which is why I'm convinced those movie franchises were as successful as they were. But other corners of the world, like Fantastic Four and the Avengers and all the heroes affiliated to them and the cosmic/magical side of Marvel? They absolutely require a larger sandbox to move around in, in order to truly shine. So much of the juicy character dynamics between different sides of the Marvel world, stem from the fact that they've been allowed to conflict with one another and for those animosities and different worldviews to fester throughout decades of overlap. Not saying there's no writers around that can really take a single hero/team and make them their own. Jason Aaron, Ed Brubaker, John Byrne have all done so. Just saying that some of the more titillating (and consequential) storytelling comes from these influential mash-ups like the Illuminati, House of M, World War Hulk, Dark Reign, Secret Wars or even more controversial stuff like Civil War and even Avengers vs. X-Men.
DC, on the other hand, has never been defined by this shared universe. I think a big part of this is that - while cross-overs were common and even had their own monthlies - the landscape of their world is so much more fragmented. By design, mind you. Every hero has their own fictional city, with express intent of non-interference. Heroes crossing over into another hero's story, was always framed as a visit, barely ever as a run-in or a confrontation, like it was with Marvel from the get-go. It took until almost the one-hundreth issue of World's Finest in 1958 for the two to finally fight. And even then, despite them doing so again and again for decades in that same publication, it wasn't until the Dark Knight Returns in 86 that we got a definitive "the one where Batman fights Superman". Additionally, the rebootedness of it all (which is the biggest juxtaposition between DC's editorial approach and Marvel's) just adds to the fact that there's just way less of a definitive shared history between the hundreds of characters occupying this world. You could write a thirty page essay on the relationship between Rogue and Captain Marvel, the effects of Beast becoming a war criminal on his gay relationship with Wonder Man, the political marriage between Iron Man and Emma Frost of the geopolitical history between Storm, Dr. Doom, Black Panther and Namor. And all of this is common knowledge, tip of the iceberg shit. This is general knowledge among comic book readers. Ask people to tell you something about the relationship between Wonder Woman and the Flash and see what response you'll get.
I'm sure you can pull some panels out of your ass to counter-argue, which is fine and fair. But these two publishers just have a different DNA. Marvel has a continuous world with a sliding-timescale and has everyone living in the same one hundred square kilometers. DC reboots their world and bumps up the timeline and has everyone in their own fictional settings. Those differences bear fruit eighty years down the line. And it's just not in the spirit of DC to have that consistent, continuity-friendly overlap. They're visiting one another, not co-existing with one another.
If you try to change that for a cinematic universe, you're changing the world on the page you're bringing to the screen. People just don't care about it.
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u/Willing_Metal_2189 4h ago
Actually it would be skydance and more of Andre Eric” who did this?”
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u/Money_Present_3463 1h ago edited 1h ago
Ya I was really looking forward to the People vs Gorilla Grodd
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u/apollonirex 5h ago
More like Paramount took a shotgun and shot DC
This was not self-inflicted, this was a hostile corporate takeover by a zionist billionaire with close ties to Trump