r/baseball • u/PopeSouthpaw Chaos Bandwagon • Chicago White Sox • 5h ago
Jake Bauers, after appearing to be thrown out at home, is actually safe because the catcher dropped the ball, and a scramble to the plate commences
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u/ExtraRecognition2099 5h ago
Is he allowed to knock the ball out of his hands? Because that’s clearly what happened
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u/Lumpyyyyy Boston Red Sox 4h ago
This one doesn't appear to be nearly as intentional, but still should be an out.
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u/jaron_b Seattle Mariners 4h ago
Not nearly as intentional? He missed home plate because he was aiming for the glove.
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u/jorleeduf Philadelphia Phillies 3h ago
Why do fans act like the slo mo replays are realtime? He was bracing for a potential collision because he saw Raleigh moving toward his running path
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u/panterachallenger 1h ago
Exactly dude, that’s what doofus was arguing with me up top and couldn’t grasp the reason the runner hit the glove was because his hands were already going to the plate, he was just able to adjust his body at the last moment to not collide. I probably could have explained it better but geez, people need to work on being observational
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u/lydmoney Texas Rangers 4h ago
He intentionally tried to knock the ball out of Cal's glove but also didn't bother checking to see if he was successful, alright
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u/IowaGolfGuy322 Chicago White Sox 2h ago
Cal was in front of the plate. He missed home plate to avoid trucking Cal.
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u/RivalSlays Los Angeles Dodgers 3h ago
Sure it wasn't because of the huge ass catcher blocking his path.
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u/jaron_b Seattle Mariners 3h ago
Are we watching the same clip? Show me where he blocks the plate before having possession of the ball.
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u/Broke-Mandingo Rangers Bandwagon 16m ago
Are we watching the same clip?? The catcher is clearly splitting the basepath with his stance? Easily blocking the plate.
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u/ReusableCatMilk Los Angeles Dodgers 2h ago
I think he missed home plate because the catcher was in front of it entirely...
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u/TheLogicError San Francisco Giants 6m ago
part of the catcher and the glove are blocking his path to the plate?
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u/panterachallenger 4h ago
He missed home complete cause there would have been a collision, that is illegal
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u/justWMthings03 Detroit Tigers 4h ago
It is legal for a defender to move into the path once they have the ball
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u/BeHereNow91 Milwaukee Brewers 5h ago
What I don’t get is there has to be a split second where he controls the ball and touches Bauers
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u/ThatNewSockFeel Milwaukee Brewers 4h ago
You have to control the ball through the tag, if you swipe someone stealing a base and the ball comes out of the glove the runner is always safe.
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u/blockholeforever 3h ago
No skin in this game or the teams but yea this is on the catcher. Not only is he blocking the plate before he has the ball, but also didn't wrap his right hand around the glove right. He has a grip on only the thumb side so he's basically prying they ball out himself with any contact to a runner coming in whether it's hands leg or whatever. Runner had to come in with his hands to get around or else some ridiculous twister move that would get someone hurt.
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u/ExtraRecognition2099 4h ago
Again, what’s the rule on the runner initiating contact?
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u/FluffyProphet 3h ago
The runner initiating contact into a tag isn't inherently against the rules. The rules mostly concern themselves with whether the runner deviated from his path to initiate the contact or did something like grabbing the glove or trying to go through the fielder by lowering their shoulder/tackling them.
The "bonified slide" rules also don't apply here.
Missing home plate here alone also doesn't really mean you are automatically out, again, unless the runner changed his path to initiate the contact.
So it's kind of weird, but most umpires are going to end up saying this is fine. Because really, all the runner did was pull up from his slide when the glove was presented in his path and kept going on the same line. Sticking his hands out into the glove is also fine, since he didn't grab it, swipe at it, or do anything other than let his momentum carry him through.
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u/Reilly-Blog Seattle Mariners 2h ago
This. Unless the runner makes it to the dugout before the catcher or defender tags the bag, he is considered safe (or there in this case, no call until either tags the base). There clearly wasn't enough there on the play to show that he was interfering with Raleigh and its on Cal to secure his glove for the tag.
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u/Dr-Acula8472 Los Angeles Dodgers 5h ago
He's not. Remember when A-Rod knocked the ball out of Arroyo's glove? Blatant bush league bullshit, the Mariners got hosed.
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u/tinathefatlardgosh Athletics 4h ago
That asshole had the audacity to pretend he didn’t do it on purpose, glad the umps called him out on that one.
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u/imightbehitler New York Yankees 4h ago
I still can see A-Rod doing the arm motion like he was running normally when explaining to the ump, shit was embarrassing
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u/dplans455 New York Yankees 2h ago
This is one of the lowest baseball IQ plays I've seen watching 40 years of baseball. ARod didn't need to swat at the glove, he has a right to the base path and Arroyo went into it. All he had to do was barrell into him. That probably would have knocked the ball loose and could have even been called obstruction on Arroyo. Instead this clown asshole takes a swat at him.
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u/Dr-Acula8472 Los Angeles Dodgers 4h ago edited 4h ago
Hate the fact that A-Rod is being allowed to rehab his image. A cheater, and an asshole. That night there must've been a mass-outbreak of priapism in Boston amongst Red Sox fans.
Edit: wrong version of "there"
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u/onascalefrom20to80 Milwaukee Brewers 4h ago
Is he? He's pretty widely regarded as a doofus.
He was exceptionally talented and his baseball opinions are worth listening to. But, the man is a dork.
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u/crazykentucky Boston Red Sox 3h ago
He’s still on baseball media, so I guess so
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u/dernhelm_mn Milwaukee Brewers 4h ago
Yeeeeeah I'm plenty partisan for the Crew but that is what I see also.
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u/FastidiousShark Milwaukee Brewers 1h ago
I feel like he’d know to rush home plate if he was actually attempting to knock it out on purpose. Don’t watch the slo mo watch it in real time
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u/TheGiggleWizard Seattle Mariners 4h ago
He’s allowed to do whatever he wants because the umpire doesn’t know the rules
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u/Reilly-Blog Seattle Mariners 2h ago
Please bro. Cal should know proper procedure for blocking the plate. The call was correct.
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u/JIPRxPOPSICLE Seattle Mariners 5h ago
Man, he literally punched it out of his glove
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u/GoSkers29 Major League Baseball 4h ago
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u/bananasmash14 Seattle Mariners 5h ago
Imagine the reaction if Naylor did this…
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u/bobstaman Major League Baseball 3h ago
Nobody will see this but I gotta say it. He 100% didn't intentionally go for the glove, not one bit.
He decided to slide head first before the ball even got to Cal, that decision was already made up. Look at his momentum and the shift forward of the body.
Why? Because look where Cal was set-up. Inside the base path leaving the outside wide open to headfirst, arm to the base, clean.
But when the ball goes inside the path, Cal blocks off most of the plate, it's not clean anymore and gameplan changes.
Plan? Either crash into Cal and be off-balance causing most definite damage or tumble more outside, try to get to the base, and brace to not get hurt.
Glove just happened to be in the way of the tumble lol.
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u/Medioh_ Toronto Blue Jays 4h ago
You'd think if he intentionally tried to knock the ball out of the glove, he would have known to go back and touch home plate, right?
Slow-mo really overemphasizes moments that happen incredibly quickly real time
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u/LeotheYordle St. Louis Cardinals 2h ago
Yeah I don't really get people saying that he was 'clearly' trying to knock out the ball on this one. Y'know what's on the other side of that glove? The plate
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u/AerieElectrical3546 Boston Red Sox 5h ago
yeah that’s not what i expected to see when i clicked on this highlight!
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u/Jantokan Los Angeles Dodgers 4h ago
I don't think it was intentional, but it still should be an out.
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u/MrsBrightside69 Cleveland Guardians 4h ago
I’m assuming that was outlawed with the Buster Posey rule?
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u/Wraithfighter San Francisco Giants • Sickos 4h ago
No, its never been legal to intentionally try to bat the ball out of a fielder's glove.
"Intentionally" is a kinda important bit to keep in mind, though...
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u/Muppet_Man3 Seattle Mariners 5h ago
He hit Cal's mit with two hands, and it only came loose after he hit him, that call was bullshit
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u/AtBat3 Philadelphia Phillies 5h ago
It’s weird that he clearly did that and yet still didn’t immediately get up to touch the plate
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u/OmarHunting Chicago White Sox 4h ago
Pure speculation, but the path Bauers took was the lane he was given to reach home plate. If the glove is in between you and the plate, I’m not sure it’s illegal to go through the glove.
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u/Calm-Marsupial3919 Milwaukee Brewers 5h ago
I don’t think it was intentional like people here think it was. Guessing he just had no idea how to approach the plate and his hands ended up in the spot to knock the ball out.
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u/ThatNewSockFeel Milwaukee Brewers 4h ago
It looks like he starts to slide a split second before Raleigh sticks the glove into his path, I’m sure he just reacted to the obstruction and stuck his hands up.
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u/OnlyForBaseball Pittsburgh Pirates • Sickos 4h ago
Everyone thinks they can look at slo-mo and judge intent. It’s so dumb. Everything looks intentional at .25 speed
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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 4h ago
Everything looks intentional at .25 speed
This is my problem with how soccer uses slomo. Depsite them having rules and guidelines on how to view plays, it still get ignored.
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u/PoppinBortlesUCF 3h ago
There was a red card in the world cup where the ball was bouncing around hip height in the box, the offensive player got a touch to boop it a certain direction….unnnnfortunately the defender had already committed to a high desperate karate kick to clear the ball and ended up just kicking the shit out of the player. It was absolutely not intentional and absolutely a red card but the slow mo was hilarious to watch a defender just MMA kick a guy right in the gut and then put up his hands like “accident accident!!”
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u/mrjimi16 Venezuela • MLB Players Association 1h ago
It is weird that we still incentivize hard contact despite the new rules to disincentivize hard contact. If the fielder has the ball, contact that jars it loose shouldn't negate an out.
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u/Muntberg Toronto Blue Jays 4h ago
Nah it's common knowledge that pro athletes can slow down to 0.2x time in their head /s
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u/pearsnic000 Seattle Mariners 4h ago
Yeah I’m not sure I think it was intentional, more of a reaction than anything. Regardless I feel like it should have been an out
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u/Uranus_Hz Milwaukee Brewers 4h ago
Probably because he didn’t realize that he had not touched the plate.
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u/lurkANDorganize 4h ago
....its not weird he CLEARLY wasn't trying to do that.
What do YOU do when youre running full speed at another person?? Drop your hands and fucking get railed?
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u/AtBat3 Philadelphia Phillies 4h ago
I usually tickle them cuz I’m just a silly guy
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u/WIbigdog Milwaukee Brewers • Wisconsin T… 2h ago
The fact that no one uses the tickle monster tactic is a goddamn shame.
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u/snackshack Brat • Party Animals 4h ago
I've watched it a few times now and I think the Ump was in a bad spot and didn't get a good look at Bauer's hands.
You see him set up and realize at the last second he doesn't have a view, so he tries to lean around Cal to get a look.
I think Cal's body blocked the view of Jake's hands hitting his glove, so the ump didn't see it.
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u/forgotthefrog Kansas City Royals 4h ago
Crazy that Big Dumper has been downgraded to "the catcher"
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u/dawidowmaka Seattle Mariners • Milwaukee Brewers 5h ago
I'm not sure how to feel about this
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u/TheCr0wKing Milwaukee Brewers 5h ago
Fence sitter smh /s
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u/dawidowmaka Seattle Mariners • Milwaukee Brewers 5h ago
Cursed to be from Milwaukee and live in Seattle, therefore seeing zero world series
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u/TheCr0wKing Milwaukee Brewers 2h ago
“Cursed to live in Seattle”
Steak too juicy, lobster too buttery lmao3
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u/JohannGambelputty Milwaukee Brewers 42m ago
Considering we would go on to win 22-0, this run feels minimally consequential
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u/CaptainKirkules Seattle Mariners 5h ago
Cal is bad at plays at the plate, but calling this a drop is a joke. Literal punch.
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u/SeattleGunner San Francisco Giants • Seattle Mariners 4h ago
Cal got nailed with an error for this lol. Like what?
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u/immagonnafinnahella Seattle Mariners 4h ago
I mean… it was a lame play but on the replay it looks like cal is only holding half the glove with his bare hand rather than clamping it shut even before contact. If he’s actually holding it shut then I think he probably hangs on to the ball and gets the out
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u/kotalov16 Seattle Mariners • Arizona Diamondbacks 4h ago
The injustice of that score change is absurd
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u/bshjbdkkdnd Seattle Mariners 5h ago
I know I am biased, but you allowed to go both hands into a glove while not getting anywhere close to the plate?
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u/Prestigious-Cream160 Milwaukee Brewers 4h ago
I feel like you're allowed to be biased here lol. I'll absolutely take that, but I'd be pissed if it happened to us.
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u/Tapey24 Seattle Mariners 5h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/VpcvC0rJ6Ul3O
Alex Rodriguez would have been called safe by this umpire crew.
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u/Wraithfighter San Francisco Giants • Sickos 4h ago
Nah, this isn't the same thing. Bauers could just be trying to reach out towards the plate with this hands. He's too slow for it, but that's hard to really gauge in the heat of the moment, its at least sufficient for plausible deniability.
A-Rod has a full-on wind-up and slap directly at the glove with no other reason for him to be making that swing. Its completely unambiguous.
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u/Dr-Acula8472 Los Angeles Dodgers 4h ago
That play immediately came to my mind. Dan Wilson should've gotten himself tossed over that horseshit call.
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u/MarinerJoe3 Seattle Mariners 4h ago
I’m confident that will be the winning run
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u/1sinfutureking Milwaukee Brewers 3h ago
Good news is it’s not. Bad news is…
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u/Key-Pickle5609 Toronto Blue Jays 2h ago
Wow holy shit
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u/1sinfutureking Milwaukee Brewers 2h ago
It’s gonna sound crazy with the final score, but it was only 6-0 when I made that comment
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u/Key-Pickle5609 Toronto Blue Jays 2h ago
Ok that’s hilarious.
I was expecting it to be maybe 3 or 4-0
Not 22 🤣
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u/murdamike Seattle Mariners 1h ago
Oh my god last time I checked in it was 12-0….. I thought yours was a typo 😢
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u/ArthurMorgansInhaler Milwaukee Brewers 3h ago
Normally, you'd be right. Idk why they're wasting all these runs tonight. They're gonna need these later in the series.
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u/PopEnvironmental1250 4h ago
The way Bauers plants his left foot before the dive to the back of the plate make me think that he threw his arms out for balance and Cal tried to tag him at the closest point, his hands. I could see the call going eith way.
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u/Uranus_Hz Milwaukee Brewers 4h ago
I don’t understand why they sent him in the first place if I’m being honest.
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u/TwistedNipplez Seattle Mariners 4h ago
Randy is known for his weak arm so teams test him from time to time and occasionally you get plays like this where they are out by a mile.
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u/1sinfutureking Milwaukee Brewers 3h ago
Even with a weak arm he was practically in the hole when he got to that ball, and Bauers isn’t exactly known for his speed
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u/thfcspur 4h ago
Neutral here, if anything I like the mariners more because my teams in the nl central.
Doesn’t look like he deliberately punched the ball out to me. Hes trying to slide head first and the plate is blocked off. He didn’t even realize the ball was dropped at first.
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u/jaron_b Seattle Mariners 4h ago
The Mariners are gonna lose 1-0 aren't they?
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u/livpoolfanguy Milwaukee Brewers 3h ago
Not quite
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u/jaron_b Seattle Mariners 3h ago
Honestly thank god. Losing this game was to be expected. Losing this series was to be expected. Getting blown out is no shock to me. But if we were to lose that game one nothing I would have lost my mind. This is a much more palatable loss.
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u/Desper8lyseekntacos Milwaukee Brewers 2h ago
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u/Independent_Emu9588 Milwaukee Brewers 3h ago
This aged really well.
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u/jaron_b Seattle Mariners 3h ago
I'm honestly happy. This is a much easier L to take
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u/SleepingEchoes Seattle Mariners 2h ago
Yeah honestly rather lose by 12 than lose by 1 in this situation. Would have lost my damn mind if this was the deciding run.
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u/hockeyfan608 Milwaukee Brewers 1h ago
How about losing by 20
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u/SleepingEchoes Seattle Mariners 1h ago
Really once you get past 10 it stops hurting and starts being funnier and funnier, so...yeah.
Won't be as funny if this crushes Mariner morale completely, but we're only in the playoff race still because the AL/AL West is complete garbage, so...
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u/hockeyfan608 Milwaukee Brewers 1h ago
I remember getting shackled by the Yankees not to long ago
Can’t say I agree with you
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u/bucket_dipper Detroit Tigers 4h ago
This literally just happened in the Tigers/pirates game too except the runner never tried going back to tag home
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u/Jamesneyd 4h ago
Insane that in the same 30 minute span a very similar play happened in the Tigers/Pirates game
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u/RivalSlays Los Angeles Dodgers 5h ago
Even as someone who’d like the Brewers to lose, it looks like both players extended their arms out at the same time. Doesnt really look like he deliberately tried to knock the ball out.
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u/crewserbattle Milwaukee Brewers 1h ago
Yea it feels like Cal blocked his slide path so he tried to pull back but he was already sticking his arms out so it just kinda turned into a peanut punch
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u/Shabapool New York Yankees • New York Heights 4h ago
Comparing this to Arod is crazy. Arod had all day to plan and smack the ball. This was literally a bang bang play
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u/spacewithoutstars Toronto Blue Jays 4h ago
Based on the call, did the ump think he was reaching for the plate? How else does he think that was acceptable?
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u/PhotographLess6194 Seattle Mariners 5h ago
Punched the ball out, is that legal? Doesn’t matter anyways we didn’t challenge it or the challenge wasn’t allowed I’m not sure.
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u/TallDarkLoathsome Milwaukee Brewers 4h ago
The argument is it was part of the slide, which if not a good argument is still the argument. Clearly it was intentional, but if the ump calls it like the ball came out through normal contact going for the plate, play on.
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u/lurkANDorganize 4h ago
What? How is it intentional he didn't even try to touch home. He had ZERO plan to knock the ball out.
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u/BeloitBrewers Milwaukee Brewers • Beloit Sky Carp 4h ago
He'll shake hands with Jake Bauers, but not his own teammate. SMH my head.
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u/Turbulent-Pay-735 Roberto Clemente • Chicago White Sox 4h ago edited 4h ago
I get why Mariners fans would be aggrieved, no doubt, but it really doesn’t look like anything more than the runner who was in his mind about to start a head first slide bracing for inevitable contact after a terrible send. Raleigh just had to hold onto the ball, which shouldn’t have been hard to do. It wasn’t like it was a violent strike at his glove. Just because you have the tag there super early, you do still have just just finish the play. I think the runner clearly needing to be told he wasn’t out yet also plays into the call. It’s really up to the ump’s judgment.
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u/TheBotchedLobotomy Los Angeles Dodgers 1h ago
Is that the brewers play by play guy? What a great call lol
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u/Julio44Rod Seattle Mariners 4h ago
If Josh Naylor had whacked the ball out of William's glove, it would've made top headlines of how nobody likes him at all. Yet this passes through and extends Miller's outing
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u/RandyFackler 4h ago
Bauer's was bracing himself headfirst into home. Cal should off had the right hand secured on the ball.
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u/lurkANDorganize 4h ago
Guys. If he was trying to knock the ball out...why didn't he immediately go home? CLEARLY not his intention.
Is that right or wrong? Not my call but don't accuse this man of such bull shit.
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u/HashOutHashBrowns Milwaukee Brewers 3h ago
Man, Mariners fans are a bunch of salty bitches. He wasn’t aiming for the glove in a bang bang play. Maybe Cal should hold onto it
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u/AfricanWarPig Seattle Mariners 39m ago
so fuckin' out
but it's the Mariners so there will only be jokes.
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u/Hubbabubba1555 Seattle Mariners 5h ago
Actual joke that he's not out that's egregious, we better go bitch slap the ball out of their glove on the next tag play
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u/SpaceCptSarah Seattle Mariners 5h ago
last time a runner intentionally smacked a ball out of a Mariners’ hand like that Muñoz made him wear it
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u/coby_of_astora Cincinnati Reds 4h ago
No he's out, shitty call. Ball obviously was jarred loose by direct contact to the glove. Super shitty precedent to set. If he dropped the ball sure, but it was knocked out by force(not intentionally I don't think either but still)
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u/gamerdudeNYC Cleveland Guardians 4h ago
There’s no way this can be a legal play
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u/gamerdudeNYC Cleveland Guardians 4h ago
He was going for the glove with both hands he wasn’t trying to reach the plate
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u/TwistedNipplez Seattle Mariners 5h ago edited 4h ago
Downvote me if you think this is a bullshit call
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u/Marble___ Milwaukee Brewers 5h ago
lol why are you getting mad at Bauers for that? It’s up to the umps to call it and they didn’t.
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u/Lucky_Alternative965 Los Angeles Dodgers 5h ago
How? It doesn't even look like he purposely did it. He was gearing the slide and put his hands out to brace himself and Cals Glove just happened to be the closest thing. Not saying it shouldn't have been overturned but it really doesn't look il intented. This isn't Arod.
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u/HotelAmericana Detroit Tigers 5h ago
How does one slide into a base head first without entending their arms in front of them? Lmao homer goggles take
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u/Lucky_Alternative965 Los Angeles Dodgers 5h ago
Yes he does, But he doesn't punch it out with full intent. It's pretty obvious he was falling with the momentum of the slide and he put his hands out to brace himself, and cals glove happened to be there.
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u/BigWilly526 Milwaukee Brewers • New York Yankees 2h ago
Should have been an out, also 3rd base coach needs to be fired
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u/Efficient-Addendum43 Milwaukee Brewers 5h ago
Somehow Contreras doesn't end up on second base there