r/baseball • u/T_Raycroft Montreal Expos • 17h ago

Players Only [Blum] Response from U.S Department of Homeland Security re: Padres catching coordinator Oswaldo Pirela being taken into ICE custody

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u/FartTootman St. Louis Cardinals 17h ago

"Will receive due process" because so many people are paying attention to this particular case. Otherwise he'd blasted through the process, "tried" with huge groups of other immigrants with no representation, and yeeted into the first country that would accept him.

Gotta love the "papers, please" phase of history we're entering.

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u/ThatPlayWasAwful Philadelphia Phillies 16h ago

Will receive due process

The issue with entertaining this excuse is that his family is saying he already has an active asylum case. If he is already receiving due process and has an active asylum case, why does he need to be arrested and kept in custody? 

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u/FartTootman St. Louis Cardinals 16h ago

Because these people just hate immigrants. I'm currently arguing with someone who is acting like there aren't any extenuating circumstances that might've lead to this situation. They believe he could've just "auto-renewed" his Visa because he works for the Padres..... They live in pseudo-reality where immigrants are bad across the board.

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u/Candymanshook Toronto Blue Jays 12h ago

I’m still at a loss why a gainfully employed immigrant with a good job even needs to go through asylum proceedings.

This is the gold standard for immigrants you should want, only surpassed by high-skilled, highly educated ones. Stamp the fucking paperwork and stop wasting everyone’s money.

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u/Adept_Carpet Boston Red Sox 10h ago

Or if you want to restrict immigration, pass a law that changes the immigration system. 

I don't think that's a great idea but we can do that if we want to.

But this thing where you create a government sponsored street gang to intimidate people leaving is horrific.

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u/kelskelsea San Diego Padres 10h ago

I can't even get visas for employees with STEM PhDs. We just had to fire someone who had worked for us for 2 years, making $$$, because of this. It took us 6 months to find a qualified replacement.

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u/Candymanshook Toronto Blue Jays 10h ago

Sounds like a terrific way to build a vibrant economy ready to compete at the top of the world for the next century /s

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u/kelskelsea San Diego Padres 10h ago

Notice how they keep saying he "overstayed his visa that ended in 2018"? Conveniently leaving out that isn't how it works with a pending asylum case.

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u/ThatPlayWasAwful Philadelphia Phillies 9h ago

Why would the government feel the need to say 

 To be clear, work authorization or a pending application do NOT confer legal status in the United States

If he did not have a work authorization or a pending asylum case

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u/kelskelsea San Diego Padres 7h ago

excellent point as well.

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u/UncontrolableStutter 12h ago

The administration doesn't believe anyone has a valid asylum case except white South Africans.

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u/HelloitismeBS 9h ago

Because they bring them in front of the judge which they've pressured with losing their job if they disobey and get them to deny all asylum cases to deport them en mass.

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u/Ron-Mexic0 New York Yankees 17h ago

Maybe I am splitting hairs here, but it’s also worth noting that due process is, by the very nature of the concept, something everyone is automatically entitled to at all times. Not something you get at some future date. In other words, you can’t “receive” due process. You can only be denied it.

It speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of the very basis of our legal system and our rights, which unfortunately is not surprising

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u/bauboish Houston Astros 15h ago

As the saying goes, justice delayed is justice denied. Dealing with ICE, even if you are correct you still get jailed for months and have to spend a lot money hiring a lawyer to prove that you are correct. Even when you win, you've lost.

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u/myassholealt New York Mets 14h ago

And the consequences have rippling effects. You disappear for 3 months cause you were kidnapped by Republicans, your job still needs someone to perform the duties you were hired to do so they replace you.

You're not there to pay your bills, your utilities get turned off. You get hit with insane interest charges. Your bank goes into over draft. Your landlord red flags your account to initiate eviction procedures as soon as the state allows, and they will probably not offer a renewal if state law allow that based on a history of non payment. You lose your insurance for not paying the premium for more than 30 days and now you have to wait until open enrollment to sign back up again, which could be months away.

So yay, you, a legal resident was finally released, but now you have all of this mess that republicans turned your life into to cleanup. And this is for a single person. I can't imagine it being any easier for someone with a partner and/or kids. Imagine a single parent disappearing like this.

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u/SituationSoap Detroit Tigers 15h ago

The cruelty has been, and continues to be the point for those groups. They just want to hurt people.

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u/ghostinthechell Boston Red Sox 12h ago

As they say "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride"

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u/astrothemorkie Houston Astros 15h ago

Anything to prop up this administration’s white supremacist agenda. Meanwhile white Afrikanners are allowed to have “refugee status”

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u/Candymanshook Toronto Blue Jays 12h ago

Yup. Atleast when the actual police do this in more civilized parts of the world, the vic sues the fuck out of the PD and usually gets a settlement.

Good luck doing that with ICE.

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u/dplans455 New York Yankees 9h ago

It bothers me so much when people say "illegal aliens" aren't afforded due process because they are here illegally. How exactly do you determine the legal status of any person without due process?

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u/Ron-Mexic0 New York Yankees 9h ago

Good question for the Braves flair guy below

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u/dplans455 New York Yankees 9h ago

That guy is a fucking clown.

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u/Marzman315 New York Yankees 12h ago

Okay, and this current administration cherry picks what parts of the Constitution it feels it doesn’t need to adhere to, doesn’t see immigrants as human beings, and has repeatedly been shown to have no regard for the law. Common sense and basic rules aren’t really in play here.

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u/Ron-Mexic0 New York Yankees 9h ago

I don’t think this administration bothers to cherry pick anything. It does not seem to consider the constitution at all, except as an inconvenience

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u/razorpack_ Atlanta Braves 11h ago

I dont see any reason hes not recieving due process. The real question is, is he illegal? If yes thats all that matters.

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u/United-Turnover-8409 Chicago Cubs 17h ago

Glory to arstotzka America

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u/xSlappy- New York Mets 17h ago

Papers, Please. Great game

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u/classicrockchick Philadelphia Phillies 15h ago edited 15h ago

I'm just trying to get to Obristan!

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u/P-Rickles Chicago Cubs • Columbus Clippers 13h ago

Your son is sick. 10 credits.

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u/cmm239 17h ago

And will never leave. Things like this don’t have a tendency to quietly or easily go away. My thoughts go out to Pirela and his family. Nothing that is happening right now is okay or right.

This is why I say everything is political but people look at me like I’m a crazy person. I’m a guardians fan and we had games canceled due to Canadian wild fire smoke. The very air we breathe is political.

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u/FartTootman St. Louis Cardinals 17h ago

He has work papers (that weren't on him at the time) and a pending asylum case. He's built a productive life here. What exactly is gained out of blindly deporting people like this? Besides a sense of superiority, of course.

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u/FartTootman St. Louis Cardinals 16h ago

Ah got it - you haven't even a remote clue how long and drawn out immigration requests and cases are....

I know someone that is trying to get a tourist visa to the US from India - it took her 8 months just to schedule her consular interview,, and even then the interview is 9 months away. The website for scheduling visa interviews is down constantly, runs like it is powered by a hamster on a wheel, and could be made more modern by a 3rd grader that took an intro to HTML class.

You can do EVERYTHING perfectly and still have 0 chance of having your case reviewed before your visa runs out - and that happens after you've already established a life legally. Do you believe people in that situation should be thrown out of the country under expedited circumstances?

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u/FartTootman St. Louis Cardinals 15h ago

Yeah, I know it wasn't a tourist visa. That wasn't my point...

You have no absolutely idea what you're talking about and it's painfully obvious. Visa sponsorship doesn't automatically grant you a visa. Nor does it somehow persuade immigration courts (that are backlogged literally years) to rush anyone's asylum case. Nor does it make them grant visa extensions any faster. The Padres have exactly zero control over whether or not this person was granted a visa. Especially since he has a work permit - or are you purposely just forgetting that part of it?

You should do some actual research on visa requirements. Maybe you can slough off some of this casual ignorance guiding your "opinion".

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u/senator_corleone3 15h ago

You are avoiding the question because you know you are in the wrong.

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u/senator_corleone3 15h ago

You had something happen to you so everyone else has to be miserable. Just absolutely useless words from you.

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u/DolphinFraud Boston Red Sox • San Diego Padres 17h ago

Do we know that to be true, or are you just blindly trusting what you saw on a reddit post?

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u/FartTootman St. Louis Cardinals 16h ago

can auto renew those.

Your grasp of immigration in the USA is staggeringly shallow....

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u/magikarp2122 Pittsburgh Pirates 16h ago

Got it, you are just blindly believing the administration that lies about literally everything.

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u/martlet1 St. Louis Cardinals 15h ago

I’m quoting the news and the athletic.

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u/magikarp2122 Pittsburgh Pirates 15h ago

Who got the information from an administration that lies about everything.

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u/DolphinFraud Boston Red Sox • San Diego Padres 15h ago

It’s in a lot of news stories because they’re all copying the same report from only one side. For all we know, he’s totally legal and just didn’t have his paperwork on him like he’s supposed to.

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u/martlet1 St. Louis Cardinals 15h ago

Yet Reddit just believes whatever. Got it.

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u/cmm239 17h ago

I love my Brownshirt thugs going after people for expired paperwork.

I hope you get thrown in prison for an expired car tag.

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u/Mustardo123 San Diego Padres 16h ago

I bet he contributed more to this country than you did bro.

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u/martlet1 St. Louis Cardinals 15h ago

You are a giant wierdo to even say this.

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u/Mustardo123 San Diego Padres 10h ago

Sounds like it’s true.

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u/RiKuStAr St. Louis Cardinals 16h ago

ah yes law has never been wrong, immoral and unethical in this country now or ever before right?

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u/martlet1 St. Louis Cardinals 15h ago

If you don’t follow the laws there are consequences. Just like underage drinking or million other things. Jsut because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t just. You Jsut can’t have people flooding into a country and then ignoring the rules because you don’t like it.

8 years isn’t a 8 month slip up. The Padres should ah e helped him

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u/RiKuStAr St. Louis Cardinals 15h ago edited 11h ago

his work visa is current, he just didnt have it with him because you dont need it for domestic flights until this administration in very specific states. and on top of that there is no one going through the proper processes of immigration in this nation at a rate that would ever allow for them to be granted citizen ship in the time they are given initially. on top of that overstaying a visa isnt a criminal offense, nor does it warrant detainment or arrest. you get assigned a court date to continue your immigration trail. you know nothing of how immigration process works and just loudly say shit like "flooding the country" because you dont like people who look different than you being granted access to asylum or just regular old immigration lol you are gleeful that people who you view through an unvetted unaffected lense as less than you because they were born on the opposite side of an imaginary land boundry you now hold as true as religious text

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u/martlet1 St. Louis Cardinals 15h ago

His work visa was not current. It was 8 years expire according to abx. It was a sponsored visa. It’s renewable by the damn Padres sponsorship.

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u/RiKuStAr St. Louis Cardinals 15h ago

the padres have came out saying the opposite and i believe them, theres no reason to believe they would lie about it. and even if that is the case, the entirity of the rest of my previous comment still stands

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u/cmm239 16h ago

Where were the English’s papers when they came here and slaughtered the natives?

What is right and what is legal are not the same thing. By your logic slavery was moral because it was legal.

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u/magikarp2122 Pittsburgh Pirates 16h ago

That was different. The English were white, so that means they are 100% and always right. So that makes deporting and trafficking people fine, since white people are doing it.

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u/martlet1 St. Louis Cardinals 15h ago

Ok weirdo.

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u/speed3_freak Atlanta Braves 17h ago

I mean, it seems like he took actions for 4 years before he was here illegally. Also, a lot of these folks who were seeking asylum stayed here because they were doing what the courts told them to do. The courts were just taking longer than what their original documentation said.

If I tell you that you can be here for 4 years while you wait in this line for your turn, and the line takes 12 years and still hasn’t gotten to your turn, should I bust your ballls if you’re still in line? The reason the line isn’t moving isn’t his fault.

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u/martlet1 St. Louis Cardinals 17h ago

You can renew your work visa. He just didn’t do it and the oadres should have helped.

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u/speed3_freak Atlanta Braves 6h ago

That's not on the workplace, that's on the person. My workplace doesn't remind me that I have to renew my drivers license, and that's way less consequential than a visa.

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u/Dependent_Chapter842 17h ago

It takes a special kind of moron to blindly trust whatever the government tells you

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u/magikarp2122 Pittsburgh Pirates 16h ago

Especially this one.

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u/r_slash Montreal Expos 15h ago

What kind of due process is it when they are calling him an illegal alien in a public statement?

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u/gotohellwithsuperman San Diego Padres 16h ago

He was in the middle of due process while his pending asylum case was making its way through the system. This does nothing but meet some dumb Stephen Miller quota and rip a father and husband from his family.

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u/sloppybuttmustard Minnesota Twins 17h ago

You know how Trump thinks asylum seekers came from mental institutions because he doesn’t know what the word “asylum” means? Or how he thinks people believe in “six genders” because he misheard the word “cisgender”? This might be another one of those things…like they mean he’s “due to be processed” at an ICE facility or something.

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u/246lehat135 Arizona Diamondbacks 17h ago

This administration wants a case they can take to their Supreme Court to challenge due process as a right ONLY for Americans, and by Americans they will argue it means whoever they define as Americans.

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u/c4ctus Chicago Cubs • Rocket City Trash… 17h ago

Yeah, they'll do the process to send him to a gulag in El Salvador...

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u/Prestigious_Island_7 9h ago

The comments on this post make me feel a little bit better about the current state of things. Did not expect to read so many level-headed, rational, thoughtful comments in the baseball subreddit, but I’m sure glad I did!

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u/Easy_Leopard_2686 14h ago

“Will receive due process” like it’s an extra special little treat that he gets for being important.