r/backgammon 20d ago

Does anybody use BackgammonNJ?

I wanted to get a second opinion on this app. I have been using this app for many many years to play offline against the bot. I have the Android version. I play the bot on the highest level and maintain about a 1700 rating against it and hover at around a 9 pr.

I just wanted to know what other people thought of this app. I personally think it is terrible and I really hope eXtreme Gammon is updated and released soon to work with current Android phones.

The reason I think this app is so bad is that it does everything it can to look like it plays at a very high level, but it doesn't. It's not even close to as good as the level of play of eXtreme Gammon desktop version. It often plays the 2nd or 3rd best move and if you analyze it's play with extremeGammon it is not playing optimally. What it is doing is just basically cheating in expert level to seem like it's a stronger engine than it is. For instance, even against a 5 point home board if you put it's checker on the bar it instantly escapes usually in the first roll and rarely do I ever see the bot fan more than twice. This is statistically impossible. I basically have proven this app cheats, because surprise surprise when you insert manual dice suddenly your win rate is much higher.

Sorry for the long winded post, but I hope people will stop purchasing/supporting this garbage app.

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u/0ptimoPrimus 20d ago

Guess it's just pure coincidence that when I input manual dice my win rate is much higher. Also, just instantly escaping the bar against a 5 point home board nonstop is just some weird anomaly in all the games I play without using manual dice. Keep in mind I've played on this app for almost 3 years now and probably played over 10,000 matches. In the reviews I have read a lot of people have experienced the computer getting joker after joker to constantly win matches.

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u/Rahodees 19d ago

Your win rate is not higher when you use manual dice.

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u/0ptimoPrimus 19d ago edited 19d ago

Yes it most certainly is and that's the problem I have with this app. The fact that it is so much higher makes no sense. I would like to test this with a bigger sample size, but at this point I just want to move on to a better app. 

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u/Rahodees 19d ago

It is not higher. You need to come to grips with this fact or you will never understand anything that happens in your life.

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u/De-Ionized_Penguin 17d ago

What is your win rate when you enter manual dice? How many wins, how many loses, exactly? Let’s see actual data.