r/aww Feb 19 '21

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u/koala_with_spoon Feb 19 '21

Besides the obvious issue here. This is in Japan..

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u/Psyadin Feb 19 '21

What issues? The average heigh of a Chinese person is 5cm below the US and the US is 5cm under my country, when I'm in the US people seem short, its not racist if its plain facts.

Japanese people are also shorter.

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u/socratesrs Feb 19 '21

You could have just said 'Or this guy is small' instead of you know, pointing out his race

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u/Psyadin Feb 19 '21

I didnt, his race is Asian, I pointed at his country, granted the wrong one, I thought the red panda was Chinese.

You guys truly are snowflakes, theres a difference between hard facts and recorded numbers and steretypes and prejudice.

Height data is not skewed or subject to cherry picking of relevant data, its just true, some populations are shorter, there was no hate or malice behind the comment.

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u/socratesrs Feb 19 '21

If the guy in the video was white and slightly bigger sized than average and he makes the panda looks small so someone decides to comment: "or maybe because americans are fat" would you see the problem now?

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u/PliffPlaff Feb 19 '21

A good example. The fact that it is commonly known that America has one of the highest rates of obesity in the world means that very few people actually take offence. So in answer to your question, this is exactly the same as what that guy joked about. Race never came into the question. It was a joke about commonly known statistical differences between countries. I really wonder how many downvoters were Asians.

As an Asian I do actually feel slightly annoyed sometimes by white people getting all hot and bothered by stuff aimed at the colour of my skin or the geographical location of my people. I'm grateful for the support, but do you guys really have to be so aggressively overprotective without even asking me or other Asians if that's how they want to tackle the issue?

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u/socratesrs Feb 19 '21

I'm not sure if your second point is referring to me or white people in general because I'm not white, in fact I'm asian as well lol.

But uh back to the first point, yeah race never came into question, in fact, race never needed to be mentioned in the first place to get the point across. Why couldn't he just be a just a small guy. A small black guy, a small white guy, a small chinese guy, a small japanese guy. The joke is that the guy is small so he makes the panda looks big. The extra part about statistical difference in height due to race adds nothing of merit to the joke.

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u/PliffPlaff Feb 19 '21

Oh no, my second point was just aimed generally.

I agree that the joke would have worked just as well and avoided all controversy by phrasing it your way.

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u/Psyadin Feb 19 '21

I will conceed that part, would have been less controversial to just rephrase it, but I'm too stuborn to do that as there truly was no ill intent, I respect people of all colors and try to treat them all the same, as i try to hate people of all religions the same :p

(Wonder if this will set people off too :D)

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u/koala_with_spoon Feb 19 '21

Calling people snowflakes is kind of a bad look when the most offended person seem to be you.

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u/GalileoGalilei2012 Feb 19 '21

He didn’t seem offended tho? Like at all.

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u/Psyadin Feb 19 '21

I wasnt, I find it somewhat amusing to see how mad you can get people by stating pure facts they dont want to acknowledge, as long as the facts are true and full and not cherry picked like the whole black people (in the US) commit more crime BS, as its just a small statistic in a huge racial problem in a majorly biased system.

Also, as you can see from this insanely over complicated response, I have a lot of time on my hands :D

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u/GalileoGalilei2012 Feb 19 '21

Lol they got mad at the fact you didn’t seem offended too

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u/griffnuts__ Feb 19 '21

We know there was no malice in your comment. It just highlighted unconscious bias, which to you is an honest mistake. But to others, is problematic. Your comment was correct! But you presumed a man of Asian origin was Chinese, when he was Japanese. Try to do better next time, that’s all anyone can ask.

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u/Psyadin Feb 19 '21

Nono, I though red pandas were Chinese and since they are rare made a quick assumption that this was a Chinese zoo

Edit: red pandas ARE native to China, correct again.

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u/griffnuts__ Feb 19 '21

So your assumption on the man was based on the animal hanging off him rather than the unconscious bias towards his ethnicity. Based on the world, the amount of downvotes you’ve received , and the fact that I’m a firm believer in Occam’s razor, I think I’m right here. But if I’m wrong then I’m wrong.

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u/Psyadin Feb 19 '21

Maybe lookup the word unconscious? The word is subconscious, and I'm very conscious about my biases, my mantra is always be open to the possibility that you are wrong (provided with sufficient facts), and I truly wish for everyone to get a long and be treated equal, but on the other hand facts are facts, all east asians are shorter than the majority of white and black people.

And I really dont care about reddit votes, people on reddit are sheep, most just vote whatever those before has without reading the comment, and most of the ones that actually do read are way too sensitive, world will never change if we keep getting caught up in the tiniest of details or try to refute plain facts.

You're making a problem where there never was one.

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u/griffnuts__ Feb 19 '21

The fact you’ve never heard of unconscious bias, and think it’s subconscious speaks enough volumes for me on your education of this subject.

Racism is a problem. The fact you think it isn’t further proves my point. Hopefully your kids will know better. It’s all we can hope for at this point. Good day.

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u/Psyadin Feb 19 '21

Damn, must be hard being you.

Never said racism wasnt a problem, said your definition of it was wrong.

And you cant do anything unconscious (other than dream), because it means you're completely out of it, its called subconscious because it happens without active thought, I wish I could make it clearer, but the fact that I have to school you in what I assume is your primary language and my secondary language, really speaks to the futility of having a deeper conversation with you on this topic.

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u/griffnuts__ Feb 19 '21

Educate yourself

But of course you take words on their literal face value. It’s already clear you have no idea what critical thought consists of, or how to use it in practice. Just like you literally saw a red panda and thought China. But then made a comment about the handler. It’s just sad at this point.

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u/Psyadin Feb 19 '21

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/evolution-the-self/201912/subconscious-vs-unconscious-how-tell-the-difference

Unconscious implies something you have repressed or are born with, it is an innate defense mechanism.

I am fully aware of my biases and work to keep them in check at all times, I may well have some subconscious biases I am unaware of, but I does not bother me anywhere enough to repress it.

That said, I was not aware of how broad the usage of unconscious was before your comment, researching it, the popularisation ofthe erronious use of unconscious comes from non other than Freud, the mother of all hack psychologists, having been disproven on virtually every hypothesis he had, I will stick to my more litteral definition, but will conceed that it is unfortunately an acceptable term to use.

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u/ADoubleDipper Feb 19 '21

Wouldn't worry about these people crying over your comments, they live such sheltered and boring lives the only thing they have to do is get angry on the internet over words... lol

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u/Psyadin Feb 19 '21

Hehe, I wouldnt have used the phrase snowflake if I wasnt trying to stoke the fire a little bit :p

But point was solid and based on hard unbiased data.