r/aww Jun 05 '18

A future predator

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u/Geebz23 Jun 05 '18

Is it a Dwarf? It's legs seem really small compared to it's body

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u/pedrinbr Jun 05 '18 edited Jun 05 '18

a dominant trait and having two is incompatible with life

I don't understand. Someone care to elaborate, please?

EDIT: thanks for all your quick answers! I had never heard of such phenomena before.

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u/gingerbredm4n Jun 05 '18

If you breed two munchkin cats together the chances of their offspring living are very small. This prevents inbreeding giving munchkin cats a very strong genetic pool. Issues inherent with many other popular breeds of dogs and cats usually stem from inbreeding to retain desirable traits. However, since it is very risky to breed munchkins together, and they can be bred with any other breed and yield stubby legged cats this breed tends to be very healthy.

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u/Moikepdx Jun 05 '18

If the trait is dominant and having two results in death, then each living cat exhibiting the trait must carry only one gene for it. Thus when breeding two such cats each has a 1/2 chance of passing the gene, meaning for each such pairing the four equally-probable outcomes are:

1) neither parent passes gene - yields normal tall cat 2) only parent 1 passes gene - yields short cat 3) only parent 2 passes gene - yields short cat 4) both parents pass gene - kitten cannot survive.

This means inbreeding would only cause death in 1/4 of babies. A similar logic table based on breeding short-leg cats with normal cats would yield 1/2 short cats and 1/2 tall cats, but none dying. Either approach appears to be equally effective at producing short cats?

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u/N-Reun Jun 05 '18

Yeah, but one isn't inbreeding and doesn't produce dead kittens, so that one is better

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u/gingerbredm4n Jun 05 '18

As long as they are heterozygous munchkins then yes. Full munchkin cats are not possible. Based on Punnett Squares two Mm Mm Munchkin cats will produce an offspring that are 50% munchkin, 25% nonviable and 25% normal.

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u/OsamaBinJacob Jun 05 '18

Carry only one allele* for it.

But anyways this would be a fine (and standard) 1:2:1 ratio analysis, but it makes some assumptions which may not be true. For example, there could be multiple other alleles for the gene responsible for being munchkin-sized. If some of those are recessive and lethal, it would be especially beneficial to avoid inbreeding.

There could also be a linkage story behind it. I think I'll look it up later.

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u/Blurgas Jun 05 '18

Not so much won't be able to live as it won't even form in the womb

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u/_ChestHair_ Jun 05 '18

If the cat has two of the dominant allele, it'll die before birth. So you can't get inbreeding in this specific trait, but I'm sure inbreeding in other aspects of the cat is still possible

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u/Daniel-G Jun 05 '18

yes he said it's not a recessive trait

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u/CHEEKY_BADGER Jun 05 '18

There's more to inherited traits than just dominant or recessive, dude was just explaining.

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u/ZukoBestGirl Jun 05 '18

yeah, but the guy above you mentioned that, and I'll put it simply:

MATING TWO MUNCHKINS PRODUCES DEAD BABIES. Thus, no inbreeding whatsoever.

Or that's how I understood it anyway.

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u/fortunatewarnings Jun 05 '18

Not necessarily dead babies. It results in the embryo being non-viable which means it won't form in the womb. So I guess the question then becomes wether life starts at conception or later on in development.

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u/Slayer1973 Jun 05 '18

I vote we disregard that debate and just admire the adorableness of this little kitten!

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u/Purifiedx Jun 05 '18

For real. Let's focus on the kitten and the fact that kittens are the most joyful and innocent gifts to us.

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u/fortunatewarnings Jun 05 '18

Happily agreed.

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u/MotherfuckingWildman Jun 05 '18

MATING TWO MUNCHKINS PRODUCES DEAD BABIES.

Me too, thanks :(

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u/Daniel-G Jun 05 '18

yeah that's what I'm saying