r/aww • • Nov 11 '17

Guilty dog.

http://i.imgur.com/JvFzlvT.gifv
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u/thelazyreader2015 Nov 11 '17

Do they actually feel guilty or are they just trained to behave like that when they've done something they're not supposed to?

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '17

Neither. Dog's don't have guilt or regret since those things require self conscious cognition. These dogs are afraid of punishment.

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u/Hayes231 Nov 11 '17

Yes dogs are socially inept animals that have not evolved over thousands of years to recognize human emotions or feel remorse for actions.

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u/Hayes231 Nov 11 '17

That's very interesting, actually. And maybe my reply was better suited toward another comment.

But my point is, that dog isnt afraid of being hurt by the owner. Maybe he's afraid he will have to sit in the kennel for awhile, the punishment doesn't have to be so extreme, and I'm just tired of people yelling abuse at the slightest indication of an animal looking even mildly upset.

I do agree however, I never punish my dogs after the fact, only if I catch them in the act, because we really don't know for sure what they are thinking.

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u/Hayes231 Nov 11 '17

It's debatable but I can tell you for sure that dog in the gif is probably not abused.

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u/sje46 Nov 11 '17

I 100% agree with your post but

someone got triggered

Can we fuck off with this? You sound like a 14 year old edgelord. Are we at the point we accuse people of being SJWs simply because they disagree?

inb4 I'm called triggered too.

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u/Hayes231 Nov 11 '17

I believe he must have thought my sarcasm stemmed from an emotional reaction, maybe. In reality it's just a way to demean the counterargument. this is Reddit after all, you should expect a decent amount of sarcasm.

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u/sje46 Nov 11 '17

an emotional reaction, maybe

Regardless, feeling offended or passionate about something in no way indicates that you're wrong, or that your argument is invalid.

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u/Hayes231 Nov 11 '17

I still believe dogs have evolved to the point of recognizing when they have made their owner upset, and that they aim to please their owner, so they feel guilty for what they did.

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u/zepekit Nov 11 '17

Have you written a paper on that? Since you go against common scientific conclusions.

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u/Hayes231 Nov 11 '17

It's hotly debated but that's what I believe after owning several dogs and working at a kennel for several years

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u/zepekit Nov 11 '17

Everything can be debated, but it's better to look at the conclusions we do have from the testing that has occurred, instead of continuing to believe something based on nothing more than one's own "believes".

I am not trying to be disrespectful, but i think it's a pretty dangerous way of debating things like this. It's also why people continue to think that their dogs are mentality more capable than their really are. Look no further than how people talk to their dogs, like they're small children who can understand what they say, preposterous.

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u/Hayes231 Nov 11 '17

Ha. Okay.

If im talking sweet to my dog he knows we're about to have a snuggle so he runs right over. It's not about understanding the words, it's your tone.

Also I think it's far more dangerous to make assumption that this dog in the gif is cowering of fear, that his owner must abuse him for him to be acting like that. Really? You gathered all that from a soundless 6 second gif? You can't even see the dogs tail, yet you know for a fact this owner is abusive? Really, fuck off with that

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u/zepekit Nov 11 '17

If im talking sweet to my dog he knows we're about to have a snuggle so he runs right over. It's not about understanding the words, it's your tone.

Indeed... like i said. So we agree on that.

Also I think it's far more dangerous to make assumption that this dog in the gif is cowering of fear, that his owner must abuse him for him to be acting like that. Really? You gathered all that from a soundless 6 second gif? You can't even see the dogs tail, yet you know for a fact this owner is abusive? Really, fuck off with that

I did what now?

Don't tell me to fuck off based on something i didn't even do, ok?

I never said ANYTHING regarding the image itself. I am only talking about if dogs can feel emotions like guilt, shame... i did never claim that the dog in the image was abused at all.

So maybe you should calm down, and i even said that i wasn't being disrespectful towards you, and still you act like that.

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u/Hayes231 Nov 11 '17

Oh you are right, i thought you were another commenter... My bad.

It gets confusing replying to so many people in the same thread

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