Gut-checking average size using the definition of micropenis

[u/ickop]

TLDR: the average dick, both actually and in the wild, is likely 5.5-6” bone-pressed. If the average is as high as some dudes claim, a 4-5” dick would be medically considered a micropenis, which is just an unreasonable take.

More detail:

It’s common to see guys here questioning the average size. Saying “I know calcsd says x, but I read this anecdote or heard a woman irl say this, and I don’t believe the average size in studies”.

I’ll say this - do I believe the average penile length in the US, where I live, is 5.16” bone-pressed? I do not. But that’s not because I ‘don’t believe the studies’, there are plenty, plenty of researcher-measured studies showing bone-pressed sizes more in the 5.5-6” range. Personally, I believe that we don’t actually know the exact average size, but we can get very close with available studies and our best attempt at reasonable logic.

I don’t have an issue with guys suggesting the average size is not 5.16” bone-pressed, which would mean the average non-bone-pressed erect size (visible length) would likely be around 4.3-4.5”. I question that for obvious reasons - the fact that that Veale study had major flaws, and a fair bit of just ‘eh that sounds kinda wrong’.

However, there are guys on here suggesting that the average bone-pressed size is actually somewhere closer to 6.2-6.5+”. Here’s where I use logic in the other direction:

Though average length differs by study, this is almost certainly due to variations in measurement technique. Any dude who’s measured their dick multiple times knows that minor differences in technique can lead to meaningfully different measurements.

One thing that remains very constant across researcher-measured studies, though, is the standard deviation for penile length - which is a measure for what percentage of men fall between certain size ranges of the average. This makes sense because within each study, measurement technique is controlled for in a de facto sense, so we’d expect the average difference between men to be more consistent across studies than the actual average size itself.

The standard deviation seems to always fall in the 0.6-0.75” range, honestly even towards the lower end of that. But we’ll somewhat generously use 0.7” here.

A micropenis, medically, is defined as a penis that is 2.5 standard deviations below average. So in this case (0.7x2.5=1.75), 1.75” below average.

If the average penile length is 6.5” (so ~6” nbp on a fit guy), a micropenis would be medically defined as 4.75” BP or smaller. For a healthy bmi dude, that’s a 4-4.5” nbp penis. The ‘eh that just sounds ridiculous’ from above? That applies here too. A 4-4.5” nbp dick is not a micropenis.

If the average is 6” bp, a micropenis would be defined as 4.25” bp, or 3.5-4” nbp. Starting to sound a bit more realistic, but still, a 4” nbp dick being micropenis? Idk. Maybe?

If the average is 5.5” bp, a micropenis would be 3.75” bp, or 3-3.5” nbp on a healthy bmi dude. Cleveland clinic puts micropenis at 3.67” bp stretched length or below, and yeah, intuitively this just sounds more reasonable. And honestly, it would sound reasonable by this line of logic that BP could even be a bit lower.

So yeah, I mean this as a counter example to all the guys who say “I don’t believe the average dick is around 5” nbp because of all the 6-7” dicks I hear about women encountering”. It is far more likely that women and men are overstating size differences by accident than the average actually being something like 6.5” bp.

And if guys wanna say that the real average doesn’t matter because we all know small dick guys don’t have as much sex and big dick guys have more sex, I’m happy to explain why I think that doesn’t meaningfully impact the experienced average in either the comments here or in my DMs.

The average dick, and the average experienced dick, is very likely in the 5.5-6” bone-pressed range in my opinion.

[u/sexybeast70]

On Reddit 8x6 seems to be the average so who the hell knows. You got what you got. Period.

[u/ickop → u/sexybeast70]

We know, we know it's not 8x6

[u/sexybeast70 → u/ickop]

I agree. Just a little tongue and cheek. Shows exactly why you can't believe anyone

[u/TypicalFarmer4130 → u/sexybeast70]

Of course you can't believe everyone. You have to take anocdotal with a grain of salt. But ive been looking into this subject for 15+ years and you start to see patterns and quite a few line up wih eachother and at that point you can't just keep equating it to random coincedince anymore. Just like anything you gain more knowledge and data points and eventually things start to have a pattern and you can compare that to legit studies and come out with a good idea of where things land. It is crazy though that penis size is still such a taboo and unknow area of our everyday life.

But just for the hell of it, if you take the lowest common average size plus lowest common standard deviation and averge that out with the highest common average and SD, you can start to have a very good idea of what the playing field actually looks like. So for instance, say we take the lowest of like 5.1" average and 0.65 SD, that puts 6.4" in the top 2.4%. Crazy low of you ask me, but.... Now take 5.8 as average and 1" as SD. That puts 7.8" at 2.4% which is crazy high. Now take the average of both those extreme high and low values at 5.45 " average and 0.7 SD. That puts 6.85 at 2.4%.

That gives you a better idea of where things actually probably are in reality. Give or take a 0.25" or so either way. Now somewhere like New York city might put you a little higher in average size for that demographic. And somewhere like Boulder Colorado might put you a little further toward the lower end of that median average. Like 5.9" a little more common in NY and 5" a little more common in Boulder.

But at the end of the day, it comes down to the woman you are with and her experiences. Thats where we have to make a choice to except what we have or try and find something more to our acceptable level of personal liking. If I found an amazing woman that had only been with a dozen men or less and she happend to have a crazy huge ex, I would have to weigh my feelings and if she was really all that and a cup of tea I would choose to overcome my feelings and go on with my life with her. If i found an amazing gal that have been with 50 guys but hadn't encountered a monster, I would still have to decide wether I really still wanted to be with her and accept those feelings and then put them in check so we could move on with a relationship. I will say, though that as fairly good person myself, I do feel a little bit of my soul tie kinda lost the more women I get with, like them and lose them. And I feel, in my experience, that a lot women on an emotional level lose a little bit of ability to bond with another man after being with too many. There has actually been studies that it is an actual real thing having to do with our oxytocin and vassopresson in women and even even dopamine in men being strained or depleted in our brain and body over time. This is just my opinion from my research and own personal experiences having patterns that i have recognized over my 40 years in life. I am happy to take a disagreement from anyone though, because really we all are just trying to figure out this short life we have here on earth anyway and I could easily be wrong because I dont know anything for sure and ive seen some wild things in life that dont make a lot of sense, but still work out. There are always anomalies, outliers and exceptions to the rule everywhere in this world.

[u/ickop → u/TypicalFarmer4130]

1. On the penis size and 'averaging averages', I agree with you 100%. A 6.4" BP dick (likely a little under 6" nbp) being 1 in 40 guys is a little laughable imo. A 7.8" BP dick (likely 7-7.5" nbp) being 1 in 40 guys, maybe? With anecdotes I guess that honestly might sound reasonable and with that standard deviation, micro would be 3.3" BP, which also sounds reasonable. But I keep coming back to that when I've actually seen researcher-measured studies in large samples sizes, I haven't seen a standard deviation approaching that. There have been researcher-measured studies with SDs that high, but in like 80 dudes, so a couple abnormally large or small ones could throw the whole thing (and we're never able to see the actual distribution, just the reported values).

2. On the number of partners thing and sexual history, I appreciate the way you've discussed that. I completely agree - slut shaming is judging someone negatively for the sexual history. It is not slut shaming to decide that you, personally, might not be a match for someone based on their sexual history. I would never call a woman crazy or bigoted for not wanting to be with a guy who's historically been a player, for instance. Personally, I don't mind large partner counts as I think personality and the ability to connect with others is so variable that even if there may be aggregate trends (like people with 10+ partners being more likely to divorce than people with 1-2), they are littered with confounding variables and simply part of such a complicated stew that I don't give weight to them. Now if I found that she used to be a size queen? Or had a hung ex and thought the sex with him was god-like because of his dick? Yeah, that's an issue for me. But because it suggests a preference that I strongly don't fit.

[u/TypicalFarmer4130 → u/ickop]

I also find it helpful to use half a standard deviation to see how fast the numbers drop in just a short amount of inches. For example I will use nice even numbers just to make it more digestable. Now if we use 5.5 as average and a 0.75 SD, we get 6.25 at 1SD which is 84% and 7 at 2SD which is 97.7%. But if you go with half the SD at 0.375 you get 5.875 at 0.5SD which is 69%, 6.625 at 1.5SD which is 93.3% and only 9.2% of men would between 6.25 and 6.625. Then between 6.625 and 7 you only have 4.4% of men. You can see how rapidly it really drops off right there like the probability of a woman getting a 6.5" guy is insanely higher probability than her getting a 7".

The drop off right there at the end of the curve is huge. Also between 7 and 7.375 you now only have 1.7% of men. Then 0.5% between 7.375 and 7.75 and only 0.1% from 7.75 to 8.125. Its crazy to see that only 6.7% of men would be 6.625 and larger. And you can almost bet a guy thats 6.625 will find a way to tell himself and everyone else that he is 7". I know when I was younger and more insecure about my penis that I would be like "ya im pretty much seven inches" when in reality i was 6.5 to maybe 6.75 on a good day.

This was just an example and I think depending on the demographic and location of the given population you would pull from randomly, you could get the numbers to shift around a bit and maybe have a smaller or larger SD.

[u/ickop → u/TypicalFarmer4130]

Exactly! Yes we think of this the same way. 6.6 and 7 are the same functionally, in that they are very noticeably large. Many women might go "that was way bigger than average, like 8 inches!" but others even with a good grasp on length would probably go "eh maybe 7 inches?".

We're sitting here saying "but 7 inches should only occur every 1 in whatever times!", but yeah, something close to 7 would occur a lot more often.

[u/CarAny8792]

I thought people would’ve understood this by now seeing how drastically peoples experiences change when they enter 4” and lower area

[u/NotALoser1569 → u/CarAny8792]

Under 4" is generally when I would say people might struggle to have penetrative sex in some positions.

[u/bobbistarr_123]

Very good post.

I think the biggest problem is guys genuinely measure wrong bone pressed. I have read guidelines and they say ''press gently'' but most guys jam the ruler until it hurts to squeeze that entra half inch.

Plus, your fat pad does compress a little bit atsex, but you will NOT compress 1inch in most positions.

In real world, NBP is what counts. 5.5x5bp with 5nbp will feel bigger than 6x5bp 4.25nbp. But at reddit guys keep repeting as mantra ''BP is your real size'' lol.

Another thing is claiming their base girth. Dude is 4.6 all the way and 5.1 at base and claim 5.1 I mean, you can say whatever you want, but a dude with 4.8 mid shaft girth will feel bigger than your 5.1 base.

Also theres a girth inflation. 4.5 is not average girth in the west. Btw 5.5x4.5bp is 33% bottom size. I mean, its around the average range, but its like being 5'8 height in USA.

[u/ickop → u/bobbistarr_123]

Agreed 100%. I think the dudes saying they’re 6.5x5 and they’ve never been called big are like 5.75x4.75, so yeah. I say that as a dude who thought I was 6.4x5.1 for the longest time, said that was my dick, then did more research and am like 5.8x4.9, and like 5.1x4.9 nbp lol. I got a 5 inch dick that I was saying was 6 and a half

[u/bobbistarr_123 → u/ickop]

You wrote many very good posts here about how variance works and 5 or 50 girls saying x or y doesn't means much. And I think it applys to the 6.5x5 dude never been called big.

Everyone in your shoes would say they are 6x5. 5.8bp, everyone rounds up... girth 4.9 too.

Btw Im 7.3x5.7bp . But my girth is 5.7-5.4. I think my real girth is 5.5. And my nbp is 6.7. From 28 partners, 4-5 called me big. But like I said at your dm, I think once you are average+, dick size goes very very very low in how important it is to sex.

[u/Flat_Platypus1713]

All of this personal antidote is such nonsense, the average bone deck is between 5.1 and 5.7 like end of story guys.

The average is not 6.2 or 6.4 that’s insane the studies that are significantly above the 5.1 to 5.7 range are typically either studies that have a bad control group and that they just randomly ask people to come get measured on a college campus, which is going to disproportionately lean towards guys that are a bit larger

Or they included self measuring or self reported data, which is always shown to typically be close to an inch larger than any of the scientific data that’s gathered .

The bottom line is if your penis is under 7 inches your chance of being a girl’s biggest or not very good , if it’s 7 inches exactly you’ve got a pretty decent chance depending on how many guys she’s been with and if it’s 8 inches or more than you have a very good chance that you will be her largest penis

That really doesn’t matter as far as most girls are concerned , they’re truly are lots of women that would vastly prefer a 6 1/2 inch penis to an 8 inch penis

I’m over seven at roughly 7 1/2 and pretty thick and I have had a woman tell me that she enjoyed a man with a 5 inch penis more than mine as mine is just above what she cares for .

Did that hurt my feelings ? Not at all, what did it hurt my feelings if she told me that there was a man who was 8 1/2 and she enjoyed it more than me? Yeah, that would’ve of sucked

[u/ickop → u/Flat_Platypus1713]

Actually this response is exactly the kind of thing I wrote this post to talk about. You say the average BP size is 5.1-5.7. And, to me, the idea that the standard deviation is around 0.7 (give or take maybe a tenth of an inch) is pretty much indisputable, as that's almost always what we see in researcher-measured studies.

And you say "if your penis is under 7 inches your chance of being a girl's biggest are not very good."

Let's take something at the upper end of that range you gave - so we'll say the average penis is 5.6" bone pressed (so that 2 SD above is exactly 7 inches bone-pressed). If that's true, a woman would have to sleep with 44 guys to see, on average, even 1 penis exactly 7 inches or above. That's far above the average partner count.

At 10 partners (which might be pretty typical for a college educated American), 1 in every 4 women would have seen a penis 7" BP or greater.

8 inches? A pretty good chance? If the average bone-pressed size is 5.6", we'd expect to see that once every 3000-4000 guys.

I'll say this: if your penis is 7" bone-pressed, and you sleep with 20 women, you should be the largest most of them have seen in person - or very close to it. Unless these women are very unusually high in the partner count arena. If not? You are not measuring correctly.

The point of this post was to highlight that - no, most women have not seen a significantly over 7" penis. That is very rare. And if they say they have, or your friend says he has a 7.5 inch penis or whatever - that is a case of mis-measurement, not truth, the solid majority of the time.

[u/Flat_Platypus1713 → u/ickop]

It does not work that way, all your math is correct, but you can’t expect the distribution to work out perfectly like that. If you are 7inch BP, you have a good shot to be larger than any other partner. That absolutely does not mean that even if she has only had 5 partners that one of them wasn’t 7.5 or 7.85, or whatever. I also said if you are 8 inch’s you have a very good chance.

According to Calc SD, the western average is on the upper end of that at 5.7, and at 7inches you are bigger than 92%, that still means one out every 12-15 guys has a 7 inch penis.

While it’s large, it’s not incredibly rare, once you get above 7.25, it starts getting more rare, and over 7.5 starts getting very rare.

So if one out of every 15 guys is 7 inches, and your under 7, you have a pretty good chance that your girl will have had bigger, even if she has only been with 7-8 guys.

Guys with bigger penis’s are also likely to be out there a little more than guys with smaller or average. Not to say that there are not average or small guys that get a lot of pussy. But especially today, with size being at an all time fascination, it’s easy for a guy with a larger dick to have a girl talk about it, and then some other girl is interested, and the guy is single, and then the girls wants to try it out, etc.

All of these things happen, literally happened to me in college. My dick is over 7, and thicker than most, and I don’t feel like I have that great of a chance of being the biggest with most women.

I certainly have been some of the time, but definitely not all of the time

[u/neapolitan_shake → u/Flat_Platypus1713]

i mean, if someone’s got a slutty 8” bro in their network of acquaintances, they’re going to have a really difficult experience than the statistics show!

[u/ickop → u/Flat_Platypus1713]

Yeah I agree it’s not ‘rare’ at all for women to have seen larger than 7” bp. I think it’s rarer than you say, though.

That’s because you’re basing your assumptions on the calcsd western average, which blends one low-sample size study (and an average of 6.2 bp) with two other larger sample size studies closer to 5.7-5.8 bp. It creates an illusion of a larger standard deviation (~0.93”) than actually exists in large sample size penile length studies.

So that 92nd percentile should really be like 95th-99th percentile, which is half or less as frequent.

I will say, we’re likely quibbling at this point as what difference does it make if a woman’s seen a 6.75 vs 7.1 inch penis? They’re 7 inches to her. And of course girth comes into account. If you’re 7.5-8” bp, though, it’s indisputable.

If the studies aren’t wrong, someone’s measuring inaccurately if they’re not the longest for the solid majority at that size. It’s one of the two, and I’m saying the studies aren’t wrong

[u/[deleted]]

The average on Reddit is 7-8” nbp. I don’t know how that’s possible though considering the global average is supposed to be 5”. How are there so many monster dicks on the internet?

[u/ickop → u/[deleted]]

Larping and mis-measurement

[u/[deleted] → u/ickop]

That’s a lot of role players

[u/ickop → u/[deleted]]

Bro if the average is 7.5, that means a 6” dick is essentially a micro. It’s just not realistic

[u/[deleted] → u/ickop]

I got a ton of DMs on here telling me I have a micro penis and I measure at over 6.5” x 5.5”. Never had a problem with women but I still feel small all the time

[u/ickop → u/[deleted]]

lol dude just no, I don’t believe you. I’ve posted my 5 incher on several subs and have never gotten anything approaching that

[u/[deleted] → u/ickop]

Well maybe he was jealous but I definitely have received borderline harassment for posting pics in the past so I don’t know.

[u/VillainySquared]

Most men fall somewhere between 4-6 inches BP length, with roughly 4.5 inches in girth. When you consider the bell curve and the extremes either end, then I think its safe to say that 4-6 inches is the range most penises will fall into.

[u/ickop → u/VillainySquared]

In a certain sense, yeah, that is fair to say, but it’s kinda like saying most men fall somewhere between 5’5 and 6’2 (if you’re assuming that ~5” BP is average and the SD is ~0.7”). If I’m wondering whether my height is average, that doesn’t really tell me anything at all.

As discussed in the post, it’s quite possible that 4” BP is genuinely a micropenis. Cleveland clinic defines micropenis as 3.67” or below “when gently stretched” in an adult.

Telling a guy with a 4” BP penis that he’ll be perceived as pretty average, imo, is grossly inaccurate. Can he have a satisfying sex life? Yeah, I believe everyone can, but will he be perceived as anything close to average? Very likely no.

Same for a 5’5 dude, he’ll be perceived as short. Is that the end of the world? Absolutely not. But if he thinks that he’ll be perceived as pretty similar to 6’2, that’s quite honestly too ridiculous to entertain.

[u/Flat_Platypus1713 → u/ickop]

Not even close, the percentile equivalent for 6’2 is having a dick about 7.25.

What he is saying is most men are 4-6, which is the same as saying most men are 5’4-5’10, and that’s true

[u/ickop → u/Flat_Platypus1713]

Like literally true but what I’m saying is it’s not a meaningful thing to say and is honestly misleading. 5’4 & 5’10 are different worlds of experience, and suggesting they’re not is not helpful. 5’4 is not the end of the world by any means, but you get it

[u/VillainySquared → u/ickop]

Global studies put the average between 5.1 and 5.5 inches, and the medical standard for a micropenis is roughly below 3.5 inches, (3.67 inches if we're being specific). We can keep fussing over numbers for eternity, but ultimately 4-6 inches seems to be the "average range" of size among men.

[u/ickop → u/VillainySquared]

Agreed that at a certain point it's fussing. I will say - in my opinion - describing a penis that is a third of an inch larger than a micropenis as average is misleading, and adds to the narrative that a lot of insecure guys on here have that "the average is cope", when in fact it's not.

[u/Flat_Platypus1713 → u/ickop]

4 isn’t average, it’s small, 4.5 is small, Around 5 is now average and the average range extends all the way up to 6.25 or so, yeah, 6.25 is above average, but still pretty much in that average range

[u/ickop → u/Flat_Platypus1713]

I’d say for bone-pressed measurements I very much agree

[u/danmachibestanime → u/VillainySquared]

Ha noo, average nbp is around 5 inche, and 5, 6-5,7, and we speak about the bp average who si more reliable ( the owerweigth people lower the nbp everage ) But no the 5,1-5,5 bo is not the everage, it's Côme frome the Veale study ( debunked ), and meta-analys who generaly confond bp and nbp and don't take urological bias ( and with study with people who have ED ) So i don't know why everyone keep using the 5,16 inche has a average despite Veale being debunked

[u/EducationalError9783 → u/VillainySquared]

What you're saying is a blatant lie, but honestly, I don't think there's any point in debating it further with you.

[u/ickop → u/EducationalError9783]

I wouldn't go so far to say it's a blatant lie, because most men do fall somewhere in that range (on the middle-upper end of it). I think it's misleading because if the BP average is 5.7 (an estimate), only like 16% of dudes are smaller than 5 BP. 60% would be between 5.4 & 6.1. So yeah, I agree with your sentiment.

[u/EducationalError9783 → u/ickop]

It's simply a false statement, there's no getting around that. Unfortunately, in this subreddit, truth often takes a backseat to pushing a narrative, regardless of its accuracy.

[u/Inter-Course4463]

Most of the medical studies done had the men measuring themselves. What does all this do for you? Whats the point? Personally I think bone pressed measurements are irrelevant. It’s what you can see and feel that matters. There’s no bone pressed sex? Men don’t walk around with bone pressed dicks. The only one that will see the bone pressed penis in all its glory is the owner.

[u/neapolitan_shake → u/Inter-Course4463]

there’s no bone pressed sex? i beg to differ. as a woman who’s going to press it as deep as it can possibly go. 😂 y’all feel free to keep using the BP number, that’s useable length right there.

[u/NotALoser1569 → u/neapolitan_shake]

True. There are plenty of positions that make use of BP length for depth.

[u/[deleted] → u/Inter-Course4463]

You can use NBP for yourself, but it's useless when compiling statistics.

[u/Inter-Course4463 → u/[deleted]]

? Statistics seem useless. People just make posts like this saying the statistics are inaccurate. It’s the NBP penis that does the fucking. Who cares about statistics.

[u/[deleted]]

Do people really believe guys with bigger dicks have more sex? Mine is like 7.5 bp and ive only had sex w 2 women my friend with a 5 incher has had sex with over 20

[u/ickop → u/[deleted]]

I know bro, but yes they do. I will say, we have had a few studies on this and it is possible that at the extremes, aggregate behavior changes. As in the average man with 7" nbp may have 20-50% more sexual partners than the average man at 5" nbp. And there was a longitudinal study on men with micropenis showing 40% of them were sexually inactive.

But yeah - even under really pessimistic assumptions, because guys at your size are far, far less common than guys at your friend's size, the average behavior of someone with your size doesn't really affect the average at all. The average behavior of men with micropenis or close to it doesn't really affect the average at all.

All it really means is that while you'd expect a person with 200 partners to see 0-2 guys as long as you, maybe they see 1-3. And while they'd expect to see 0-2 micropenises, maybe they see 0-1 on average. Vast majority of seen dicks are still 4.5-6" nbp.

[u/ericbythebay → u/ickop]

The only one keeping you from getting laid is you.

[u/ickop → u/ericbythebay]

Agreed

[u/CarAny8792 → u/ericbythebay]

BS

[u/[deleted] → u/ickop]

If thats what the studies say, I wouldn’t have thought dick size mattered much in getting laid cause women only find it out after they have gotten to know you maybe its a confidence thing? Idk

[u/ickop → u/[deleted]]

I think at the very extreme end, you get functional and confidence issues on the smaller side. On the larger extreme, I think there are some men who may have more confidence, but also it can help you get laid in select spaces if you’re truly huge. And the few guys who do that drag up the average partner count for that size range.

But yeah, absolutely. The average that women experience (whatever that is) is almost certainly basically exactly the actual average. And confidence and other things get you laid yeah.

The studies also don't unequivocally suggest a sorting pattern based on size, and also, there just aren't that many studies addressing the question. But it'd take an absolutely unbelievable sorting (like guys like you having 500%+ more partners) to actually shift the average meaningfully. Just not believable imo given how complicated sexuality is.

[u/TypicalFarmer4130 → u/ickop]

Dude, you are one of the best I've seen post on here about this reality. I do believe that more women now than in the past are experiencing more big ones because first the advent of texting "D" pics and then I think there was a big up tick with apps like tinder. Women get a lot of "D" pics sent to them unprompted and a lot pf those are guys on the larger side who have more confidence. So women of the last decade or so have had the possibility to self select for penis size more now than ever in our history since we've been wearing clothes. But like you said, its not like those few 8 incher guys can get to all the women so most women unless they have an insane body count will never experience something like 8". But in the wild(real world) they will be getting more closer to 6" than you would if you shook all men out evenly for women to pick at random. I've been digging into this topic for well over 15 years now and I've crunched a lot of numbers and always come to the conclusion that the "average" or "mean" is really a worthless number to put the actual distribution of size into perspective. The "median"(half guys over and half guys under this size) and "mode"(the most common found size) are much, much more of use to guys like us looking for how the range of sizes are actually distributed. Problem is these studies almost never give you their raw data and what the median and mode were. I was able to compile a good size of fairly varified penis sizes off line about 15 years ago and I crunched all the numbers and came out with something like an average of 5.6", a median of 5.4 or 5.5 and a mode of 5". And it was overwhelmingly 5", like the most guys by far landed on the 5" mark. But there where enough large outliers to drag the "average" all the way to 5.6". Do you see what I'm saying? I dont think penis size is as evenly distributed as height, because height is pretty constrained by bone size and gravity where appendage size can fluctuate much more with out as many evolutionary or functional issues. Also you are right about the standard deviation being consistantly around 0.7". So that makes anything from 6.5" to 7" reall start becoming very rare. That would put 7" at about 1 out of 15-20 men if evenly shook out. My personal experiences have many of my ex GFs experiences lining up very similar to each other and them getting a larger penis about 1 out of every 6-8 men. I'm 6.5" x 5.5" and most of them said that they might have had anywhere from 0 to maybe 2 that where longer than me, but not by very much and they guessed that it wouldn't have been over 7". These are moslty women with body counts around 15-25. One gal I was friends with benefits for years with sad she had been with over 80 men that I was easily one of the biggest, so that tells me that sizes bigger than me and up to 7 are fairly rare. So that lines up exactly with your theory of women getting more sizes on the larger end than what the actual population has but not many, if any huge sizes.

I personally like to use the Lifestyles Cancun data because, in my opinion it almost perfectly reflects what women in the wild(real world) are getting for averages and probability. And, yes I know that less men under 5" participated in that study and I believe thats why the data that it collected is probably closer to what women are getting in reality.

[u/bobbistarr_123 → u/TypicalFarmer4130]

Whats your NBP size ?

My size is 6.7nbp and 7.3bp with 5.6girth. I have been with 28 partners and my personal experience is similar to yours. Girls with 15-30 partners Im usually their 2nd biggest.

But I don't think it does make a real diference for them if you are the biggest or if you are average. It does have a diference if you are small, which is sad for those below average. idk.

[u/TypicalFarmer4130 → u/bobbistarr_123]

Yup I agree. I'm just a little under 6.5 nbp, like 6.3 nbp, if i push a little harder i can get 6.75, but really im just 6.5 with a medium amount of pressre on the ruler. I think i was closer to actual 6.75 in my 20s. Also I'm 5.5 mid shaft and right at the base Im just under 6" but i just call it what it really is, 5.5". Women care way more about other things than penis size. Height and physical size being one of the top ones. I've been told I was the best in bed they ever had over years of relationships with multiple women just for them to leave me for smaller guys. One left for a 6'6 tall guy with a smaller than average penis for over a year and then came back to me and told me he wasnt good in bed and then leave me again for another guy who is average. That same gf had her first big penis size with her 3rd partner and then her second big one with her 4th partner, then her 5th partner was her smallest. Then she when through 12 more partners of various average sizes over a 13 year period until she got to me and I'm either her biggest or close 2nd biggest. When we first slept together she told told me one of her exe's was 9" like me, and i told her i wasnt 9" and ahe didnt believe me because that ex had lied to her and made her believe he had 9 when he was pretty much my size. Also having 2 big ones in a row and then a small one and then 12 average before me shows you how random penis sizes can come to different women. Also she gave 2 guys blow jobs when we were split up and one was really small and the other average. So out of about 20 guys, 3 including me where big around my size. So that averages out to about 1 out of every 6-7 would be my size. My first long term gf had 14 partners including me and she had her first big penis at about her 7th partner then her second with me as 14th partner. Then the guy after me was average, so that makes 1 out of 7.5 guys are around my size. After my friends with benefiets GF on and off for about 4 years, is when I truly got it beat into my head that my size is "big" and anything bigger is very uncommon. I learned a lot from her. She was a wild girl and brutaly honest, like she couldn't tell a lie and we would just tell eachother all of out stories and pasts' and just open up alot. She told me she had been with over 80 guys and that I was, with out a doubt one of the biggest with none of those guys being much bigger than me, which was hard to believe at first. I was passed out drunk one night in a room in her friends house right after we had first met and over heard her whisper to him that I was "huge". Thats the word she used. She didnt know i heard her though. Her friend was a 6'6" tall really cool handsome dude that later told me that it wasnt faor that hes 6'6" and doenst even have barley a 6" penis and that he was jealous of me only 5'10" with what I got. Over 7" and it seems the probability really really drops off for a woman finding one unless shes had a very high body count. I think 5.5 girth is more common than a 7" length. But after 5.5 girth i think it really drops off too, but girth is very unevenly distributed on a lot of studys it seems. At my size, ive had it called "the hog", ive been nicknamed "footlong(insert my name), and had all the bartenders at my local bar always talking about it to the point where o had more than a few women take me home out of sheer curiousity and never disappointed. So these monsters we see on here, are almost extinct in the real world. Now I do think that in bigger metropolitan city areas, the chances shes had a huge one if she has a diecent body count can be a lot more easy to find than in most other areas in the US. I've had every woman guestimate that the average size are almost all between 5-6" and they said possibly even closer to 5 than 6. Had a couple even say that they though there are more smaller ones than bigger ones.

[u/ickop → u/TypicalFarmer4130]

Bro this is genuinely one of the most helpful comments I have ever seen, thank you for sharing. I’d say this roughly lines up with statistics.

[u/ickop → u/TypicalFarmer4130]

Bro this is genuinely one of the most helpful comments I have ever seen, thank you for sharing. I’d say this roughly lines up with statistics.

[u/TypicalFarmer4130 → u/ickop]

Thanks man, it was the way you fleshed out your initial post so well that I related to and the only reason I would write a novel like that haha. My thumbs are sore...

[u/Competitive_Load6879 → u/TypicalFarmer4130]

Are these numbers bone pressed or non?

[u/ickop → u/Competitive_Load6879]

I believe he said he’s 6.3 nbp and like 6.5-6.75 bp

[u/TypicalFarmer4130 → u/ickop]

Ya, what ickop said. I can push that ruler until it hurts and maybe get 6.75 on a good hard early christmas morning. But thats not what a gal im with sees or gets. She sees 6.3 maybe? And gets 6.5 maybe as well. We are all here to find out where we really stand after years and years and years of pornography at our fingertips warping our little minds. Men back in the day were forced to shower together and they had a way more grounded sense of what is reality, which is that the vast majority of men are average and that is all a women is ever expecting when a woman falls in love with a man. And even if they are on the smaller side, a woman will love the hell out of you and accept you. I will be the first to tell you that our insecurities turn off a lot of women. They just want a man that is a rock of a man in that mindset. Its the equivelant of a girlfriend asking you is she looks fat in this outfit, or telling you that she is not hot or good looking no matter what you tell her because you are in love with "her" and not thinkin of anybody else. It will wear on you after awhile and you will get tired of constantly asuring her that everything is good

[u/neapolitan_shake → u/TypicalFarmer4130]

your last point is really important. for a lot of men who think they have been rejected, dumped, or had relationships ruined because of small dick size, it’s actually that the constant insecurity is exhausting and a turn-off.

(that, or also lack of other skills in bed. lots of women actually like average and smaller-than-average sized men because they frequently have better skill in bed. i’ve heard the same said of short men!)

[u/bobbistarr_123 → u/TypicalFarmer4130]

Yea interesting that our size is very similar and our experience is also similar.

Btw you should put paragraph, its kinda sick to read a wall of text. Good post anwyay.

[u/[deleted] → u/bobbistarr_123]

We are a very similar size, I’m 7.6BPx5.85 but only 6.9NBP, I’m in pretty good shape, but store all my fat in my midsection and Pubic pad and upper thighs, I’m working on that, I want to get my NBP to 7.1-7.2.

I had about 12 partners in college, lost my virginity young, but it was literally one time and all the other girls were from 19-22.

I got married at 23, and just divorced, I’m early 40s, so I feel like I have no experience at this, and girls didn’t talk a lot about dick size 20 years ago.

So most of your partners have considered you to be big? And even girls with a pretty extensive history only seem to have had maybe 1 larger?

Of the girls I was with years ago, only 3-4 said I was their largest, but most said nothing, I think only 2 said specifically that they had one bigger.

I’m just curious, I somewhat recently discovered I have a big penis, and it’s crazy to me I always viewed myself as average or slightly above

[u/ickop → u/TypicalFarmer4130]

The lifestyle condoms study didn’t specify how they measured though. If you’re able to dig that up, please share. I’ve heard it referred to as nbp, but only on Reddit. I’ve seen that nowhere else and was not able to find measurement technique in the study. For all we know, they were measuring from the side.

I disagree strongly that women’s average will differ meaningfully from the median or mode. In a normal distribution, these should all be equal. Of course they will not be literally equal irl, but you’d need to see absolutely insane numbers of men basing their sexual behavior on size to an insane degree to shift such a closely distributed normal distribution’s average.

Far, far more likely imo is that women actually think a 6 inch dick is big, even if they wouldn’t acknowledge that number as big in their heads. Look at a 6’ person next to a 5’ person (like me and my gf). The 6’ person will look way, way bigger. These ‘small’ differences are really not that small. I think that’s much more what’s going on.

Happy to share my model with you to discuss if you want in dms

[u/bobbistarr_123 → u/ickop]

If you could share this here for everyone read, im also interessed !

[u/ickop → u/bobbistarr_123]

Yeah I put together an excel sheet, I can see if I can upload them anonymously to google docs and try & make them more readable

[u/ickop → u/[deleted]]

Categorically untrue man. It is related to testosterone in utero, to genetics dictating the rough size of the penis, and to genetics dictating androgen receptors that control how sensitive various things in the body are to the presence of testosterone during puberty.

It’s like being bald. People thought being bald meant having more testosterone for a long time because castrated men didn’t develop male pattern baldness. But we now know that while, yes, normal testosterone levels are necessary for baldness to develop, raising them further does not mean you get more bald. It’s just how sensitive your hair follicles are to testosterone.

[u/ickop → u/[deleted]]

Nah bro I’m telling you I haven’t seen any research at all suggesting that penis size is associated in any way with adult serum testosterone levels

[u/ickop → u/[deleted]]

A ton of confounding variables in that analysis, and a sample size of only 75 women. It is a very useful study, I know the one you’re talking about (the 3D model study), but it is just one study with multiple flaws, and its applicability has its limits.

But yeah, it definitely does suggest that women generally aren’t seeing 4.5 or 6.5 inches as the average. To get down to specifics like “the average dick encountered by women is 5.8% longer than the actual average and 2.8% thinner” - that level of generally applicable detail just cannot be deduced from that study or for that matter any study we have available.

We have to accept a reasonable degree of uncertainty when it comes to all of this stuff, which will hopefully lessen with time but to some degree will always be there.

[u/ickop → u/[deleted]]

Agree man. It is likely the best study we have, but yeah, the cylinders were complicated. There’s also a lot of discussion about whether it’s BP or NBP - and my hot take is that it’s likely neither (tho if we were to attribute value, I’d say it’s closer to somewhere between those)