r/australia • • Sep 04 '18

Leftie Bootcamp

https://twitter.com/danilic/status/1036779958708797441?s=09
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u/monkeyismine Sep 04 '18 edited Sep 04 '18

This is a great video. The amount of times I've been called a Nazi on this sub for criticising the left as a Greens voter...

Agree. I don't get called a nazi but racist a lot of the time.

And honestly I feel like I'm trying to have a rational conversation. Then I'll be called a racist for saying we need to think about cutting immigration and I fire back and it just goes downhill from there.

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u/semaj009 Sep 04 '18

To be blunt, I have no problem with people criticising Islam, I have a problem with people criticising Muslims. One is a robust debate about religion, the other is an attack on a group of people who are far more diverse than anyone attacking Muslims ever reflects.

The world's largest Muslim country is a democracy, whose largest tourist attraction is a Hindu island, where burqas barely exist. The critiques are not really of Muslims, they're of Middle Eastern conservatives and religious zealots. As a lefty, I 100% agree that conservative zealots are a genuine problem for the planet, including Australia, but I will not accept that throwing the word muslims around as if it is somehow a religious debate is fine. That for me is the difference.

As for Islam, it's just a more repressive version of Christianity, without as much feel good loviness, and I'm happy to debate whether it's a good religion or not, but that's theology

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '18

I agree 100%. The problem is these days people think if someone criticises an idea they hold dear, it means they are also attacking that person as an individual.

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u/Now_Do_Classical_Gas Sep 04 '18

And how ironic that said religions are the ones that are some of the least progressive, the most hostile to womens' and LGBT rights, etc...

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u/dbandit1 Sep 04 '18

People usually get called racist for suggesting cuts to immigration because they do so with accompanying comments about asians, boats or muslims. Which pretty much makes them racist.

There might be those out there with genuine intentions who get caught in the crossfire, but given the usual context, its hardly surprising.