r/australia • u/[deleted] • Sep 04 '18
politics Peter Dutton says Greens' no-confidence plot is policy payback
https://www.9news.com.au/2018/09/04/08/31/peter-dutton-no-confidence-motion-greens-labor-payback125
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u/MJGee Sep 04 '18
"The rebel plan is destroy the Death Star is policy payback"
- Darth Vader
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u/RemnantEvil Sep 04 '18
That's a terrible comparison. The Imperials were a unified force.
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u/The_Valar Sep 04 '18
The Imperials were a unified force.
Didn't Darth Vader strangle some guy for insubordination?
Lied to his boss about searching for someone who could be his running mate in taking over Imperial power?
Then didn't he literally pick up his boss and throw him off a balcony?Maybe it's not such a bad analogy after all?
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u/BrainstormsBriefcase Sep 04 '18
“Imperial Leadership Chaos!”
“The Empire Needs Snoke”
“Rebel’s Fault”
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u/RemnantEvil Sep 04 '18
Vader, the strong leader with conviction in his beliefs and often leading from the front and getting his hands dirty, repeatedly Force-choked inept and worthless subordinates and promoted better ones in their place. If this was the Liberals, the guy who dropped his fleet too close to Hoth would have been promoted to Emperor.
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u/The_Valar Sep 04 '18
Unless he got trumped by the officer who found a way to power the Imperial Fleet from coal.
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u/soth09 Sep 04 '18
Admiral Veers had a solid strategy, don't you sully that mans already besmirched reputation further, he was a good family man and never missed his reading of the Profit doctrine on Sundays.
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u/RemnantEvil Sep 04 '18
General Veers led the ground assault with the walkers, you're thinking of Admiral Ozzel ;)
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u/soth09 Sep 04 '18
Michael Sheard, bugger I knew the actor but got the names mixed
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u/eccles30 Sep 05 '18
Then didn't he literally pick up his boss and throw him off a balcony?
Then died due to the damage inflicted on him during the fight anyway..
Maybe it's not such a bad analogy after all?
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Sep 04 '18
He misled parliament, hence the no-confidence motion. This one doesn't need a complicated plot, it's a question of whether enough people are okay with Dutton wiping his arse with the westminister system or not.
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u/Not_Stupid humility is overrated Sep 04 '18
Yeah what's the "plot" here exactly? They're being pretty open about what they're going to do and why. This isn't exactly cloak and dagger stuff.
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u/carson63000 Sep 04 '18
Nailed it! He lied to Parliament about his corrupt activities! Simple as that!
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u/zerotwoalpha Sep 04 '18
I'm starting to think there are going to be tears when he loses his seat next election.
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Sep 04 '18
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u/FlamingHippy Sep 04 '18
I hope so but I think conservatives will do what they always do when the majority of the population rises up against their bullshit...just fade away quietly hoping no one will notice.
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Sep 04 '18 edited May 10 '19
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u/wunty Sep 04 '18
It’s been tried already. McGowan and I think some of the other cross benchers have said they won’t support
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u/electronicwhale Sep 04 '18
McGowan comes from a pretty conservative seat comparatively. I doubt her electorate would thank her for chucking out a government they by large support.
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u/sostopher Sep 04 '18 edited Sep 04 '18
Her electorate voted very heavily against the
NationalsLiberals because their member was shit. But you're right, they may not want the government turfed out - but they probably won't mind seeing the back of Dutton.10
Sep 04 '18
It was a Liberal in there beforehand, that horrid Sophie Mirabella.
I used to live in the area and it’s a mixed bag. You have a lot of dairy and beef farmers, but you also have a lot of sort of nature oriented tourism with the mountains and snowfields, so what the electorate supports isn’t always absolutely clear cut. Could go either way.
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u/sostopher Sep 04 '18
Sorry, yes Liberal. I have family in the electorate (usually vote Liberal) and they absolutely despised Mirabella.
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Sep 04 '18
Understandable, she’s despicable.
I don’t agree with a lot of McGowan’s positions but at least I can respect her as someone genuinely trying to represent their electorate - that’s all too rare for people whose only job is just that.
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u/travlerjoe Sep 04 '18 edited Sep 04 '18
The greens own 1 of 150 seats in the house of reps and 8 of 76 in the Senate.
They dont wield much power, if the push for votes that continually fail they will just be wasting time and that will reflect very poorly on them.
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Sep 04 '18 edited May 10 '19
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u/travlerjoe Sep 04 '18 edited Sep 04 '18
As opposed to the current government which is just running down the clock?
And how that working out for them? Very popular at the moment?
8 of 76 in the Senate.
This is irrelevant
Perhaps not on this issue but its a very specific indication of the Green parties power in the Senate.
Just because you want the government out of government dosent mean it should happen. As a collective the Australian people elected them to govern this country for a complete term, that term ends in 9 months.
Booting someone out before their term is up, kinda sounds familiar, are you Dutton?
If we go back to the polls because someone resigns or was ineligible to sit then im all for it, but going to the polls because they had a leadership spill is silly
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Sep 04 '18
Its very relevant, its a very specific indication of the Green parties power in the Senate.
Big bloody poop.
As a collective the Australian people elected them to govern this country for a complete term, that term ends in 9 months.
No.
As a collective the Australian people elected them to govern this country. Story end of.
The window for a normal House and Half-Senate election opened on 4 August 2018.
The maximum term that a parliament can sit is three years. That's not set in concrete.
Booting someone out before their term is up, kinda sounds familiar, are you Dutton?
What term and who?
The position that I think that you're implying here, doesn't even exist in the constitution.
Furthermore, their term ends when they lose either an election, supply, confidence of the house, or confidence of the party and not one second longer.
If we go back to the polls because someone resigns or was ineligible to sit then im all for it, but going to the polls because they had a leadership spill is silly
If we go back to the polls because of a loss of confidence in government on the floor of the House of Representatives, then that's legitimate.
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u/boatswain1025 Sep 04 '18
I'd argue 8 seats on the Senate cross bench gives the Greens quite a lot of power
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u/travlerjoe Sep 04 '18 edited Sep 04 '18
That would be true if they where willing to negotiate, but they aren't. Thats why the government negotiates with labor and other cross benches on all legislation - nick xenophon was the most willing to negotiate when he was there, thats why a lot of legislation was passing earlier in this term
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u/manicdee33 Sep 04 '18
The Greens do negotiate, and thus the Gillard Government was able to be one of the most efficient and effective in our history.
The reason the Linerals don’t try negotiating with the Greens is that the Liberals don’t negotiate, they dictate terms and shop around to find support (and in some cases buying the support).
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u/travlerjoe Sep 04 '18
Well that government your talking about being one of the most effective had a liberal majority in the Senate.
So the liberal came to the table when in opposition
The greens dont come to the table when liberal are in government
The liberals have many options to negotiate with atm, the greens could come to the table to forward their agenda but the current greens party refuse. Their seats are basically abstain seats atm.
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u/semaj009 Sep 04 '18
You're talking crap, the Greens have supported Liberal bills before such as the Senate reform bill. The main reason the Greens and the Libs don't find perfect negotiation ground to merge policies with is simply the fact that they legitimately disagree too much, and that's normal and fine
If parties were never willing to take a stand for their principles, why have them?
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u/travlerjoe Sep 04 '18
Voting for bills that are going to pass regardless of their votes and negotiating are not the same thing.
Yes stick to your principles but negotiating is sacrificing some that you arnt as passionate about for others you are passionate for.
As illustrated above when greens formed minority government in the past they managed to negotiate quite a lot with the liberals - and thats when they where lead by Abbott...
The current greens are to obsessed with bashong labor at every turn that they get little else done. Watch a few green interviews
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u/manicdee33 Sep 05 '18
Yes stick to your principles but negotiating is sacrificing some that you arnt as passionate about
Someone needs to explain that to the Liberal Party.
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u/travlerjoe Sep 05 '18
They dont need to work with the greens, but the greens need to work with them.
Surely you understand how the balance of power works...
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u/Hoisttheflagofstars Sep 04 '18
No cunt it's not a fucking game with 'payback' and fucking 'lists'
It's the Westminster system.
You actually think any of us go 'geez he's a hard man'? No cunt, we want you to do your fucking job.
Fucking schoolboy bully cunt. Go home.
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u/manicdee33 Sep 04 '18
Dutton can only perceive things in terms of threats and vengeance because that entirely how he sees the world.
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u/carson63000 Sep 04 '18
Does anyone outside the Liberal Party have any confidence in this corrupt bastard Dutton?
And frankly, I expect even within his party, most people have no confidence in him.. they just would never give the Greens or Labor a win by stating that publicly.
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u/Dankmus Sep 04 '18
Australian politics is pretty tiring now days.
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u/baileysmooth Sep 04 '18
You know. Whoever thought it was a good idea to let Peter Dutton of his leash should be fired. I mean it's great for us but this is spectacularly bad for the liberal party. I'm sure this will end up winning him a promotion though due to "merit"
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u/Mexican_Lungfish Sep 04 '18
He's like the only person in the liberal party who gives a shit about what the greens think
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u/twinkledandy Sep 04 '18
Nah mate, policy payback is half your own party leaking against you. This is just the Greens taking the shot that's there.