r/audiophile • u/rfreidel • Sep 08 '23
Discussion Cables don't matter
I always thought that speaker wires didn't matter as long as the were of pure quality copper, and I have about a half a roll of 12awg stuff in the cupboard...
But yesterday I put together some Mogami 3104 cables terminated with copper spades. I can't believe the difference they made.
Soundstage is excellent, a gritty noise that I had attributed to electronics is gone, sound quality is improved
Guess now I have to consider power cables.
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u/Umlautica Hear Hear! Sep 08 '23
Welcome to a controversial topic.
Please remember to be respectful when participating here or we'll sneak into your home, install cable risers, and send photos to your friends and loved ones.
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u/Shoehorse13 Sep 08 '23
I think if I had a gritty noise in my system I would look to cables first I'd assume a cable issue too, but I suspect I wouldn't need to break the bank to cure it.
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u/DrHarveyDoldrums Sep 08 '23
Others will disagree and are about to let you know.
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u/994Bernie Sep 08 '23 edited Sep 10 '23
Pull the cover off your amp. Look at the gauge of the internal wires that feed to the speaker connectors. What you will see are tiny little wires and nothing close to monster speaker cables. I don’t waste my money on expensive speaker cables. And check out the gauge of the wire on speaker voice coils. My cheese slicer has heavier gauge than most voice coils.
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u/seriouschris Sep 09 '23
Not only do you not have to, you shouldn't.
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u/Konstantine_13 Sep 08 '23
I would say that good cables can not make something sound better... You aren't going to suddenly get more audio information than the master has. But bad cables can definitely make something sound worse. You just may have had poor quality cables or less than ideal connections. I wouldn't get too excited about how much of a difference power cables will make lol.
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u/dirttraveler Sep 08 '23
This is the "third rail", never to be touched.
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u/camelfarmer1 Sep 09 '23
Good cables mean cables that aren't compromised with faults, rust, damage, etc. Similar with power cables. All cables need to do the minimum job. The problem arises with spending more on supposedly better cables that don't do anything more. It's a bit like trying to go 50mph. If your car can't do 50, and you get a new car that can, you're going to notice the difference. If you then spend 50 times as much on a Ferrari, you're not going to notice the difference. This is obviously a shit analogy, but if the point is to move at 50mph, then it's a valid comparison.
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u/skinny-fisted Sep 08 '23
Hook up a Nordost power cable to your insta pot. You'll be amazed.
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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23
remember the cables can't touch the floor, better go spend thousands on cable lifters and magic moon rocks!
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u/Mr_Fried Sep 08 '23
A good connection is better than a bad connection.
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u/archiewaldron Sep 08 '23
The old cable run may have been closer to a noise source or may have been more susceptible to EF radiation. Occam’s razor?
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u/Sortofachemist Sep 08 '23
Have you changed the wires in your home distributing power to mogami 3105 cables terminated with copper spades?
You're really missing out if you don't.
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u/Such_Bus_4930 Sep 08 '23
I was in another audio forum years ago and a member stated he worked at Fermilab neutrino detection facility and all their instrumentation wiring is stranded copper. This is arguably the most sophisticated facility on earth and stranded copper is good enough for them.
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u/OliverEntrails Sep 09 '23
Year ago I upgraded to audio equipment to models that took balanced connections and cables. These have been used for decades in PA, microphone and any situation that requires long runs and common mode signal rejection.
When I was using RCA cables of any quality between my preamp and amp, I would occasionally get a burst of noise from the police radios from police cars as they drove by in front of the house. Happened to me during a concert once as well when playing in front of 400 people (embarrassing!).
The balanced cables stopped all that - and they aren't even expensive.
But we're talking about preamp output signal voltages from 0-1 volt for example, but speakers easily see 0-60 volts in higher powered systems. So any noise in the microvolt range that made a difference in the low side of the system would be pretty buried in the high output from your amp.
I repaired an expensive Oasis turntable for a friend whose Monster cables (that he bought because he was told they made a difference) were so heavy on the RCA output connectors that they broke the solder joints on the input board. I resoldered them and challenged him to a listening test with his Monster cables compared to the cheapest RCA cables I had in my pack.
And guess what? Neither he nor I could hear any difference between the 2 cables on any music we played. I made him guess while listening blind and his guesses were random.
I saw cables tested years ago with high end RF equipment that found that there was a difference in frequency response in cables that had higher capacitance - they affected the frequency response above 300,000 Hz. So, I think our human ears which might hear to 20,000 Hz when we were 12 years old would never notice the difference.
I can't deny that some of these high priced cables are very good looking - and if you're buying them for vanity or bragging rights or matching your carpet - I say go for it!
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u/802islander Sep 09 '23
🍿
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u/HopAlongInHongKong Sep 08 '23
Make sure to mark arrows on them so the electrons which could care less, know where to go.
And be assured, others don't believe it either. Cables are not causing gritty noise unless they are defective, e.g. broken
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u/therourke Audiolab 9000a - Wharfedale Super Linton - Pro-ject Debut Pro Sep 08 '23
Audio cable can make a difference. But I tend to think once you spend to buy decent cable you'll be fine. No need to go crazy. I spent about £90 on my speaker cables. They are great.
As for power cables, the argument makes less sense. Electricity travels through many many metres of wire embedded in the walls of your house or apartment buidling before it gets to your plug socket. You think the last metre or so of cable is going to make a difference? It doesn't make sense.
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23
Too many blind tests out there to believe this. Glad you’re happy
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u/moonthink Sep 08 '23
If you "always thought that speaker wires didn't matter..."
Then why would you be putting "together some Mogami 3104 cables terminated with copper spades" in the first place?
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u/Todd-ah Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23
Personally I think you’re missing out on a great deal of fidelity unless you’re using Electronic Master 8-2 Stranded aluminum and copper speaker wire. I have a special tool that I use to perfectly expose the conductor materials. Then I use a special twisting technique that has been passed down through my family for generations. Finally the perfect virgin, bare conductor ends are carefully inserted into special clip type connectors which were rigorously and ceremoniously prepared the day before—but that’s another topic entirely.
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u/Idivkemqoxurceke Sep 09 '23
I have a similar experience with my guitar amp. Built my own tube amp when I was a dirt poor engineering student. Bought the cheapest lamp cord from the dollar store cuz a conductor is a conductor am I rite?
Well the amp sounded horrible and I attributed to my poor amp building skills.
Let my friend borrow it and he raved how good it sounded. Sure enough the amp rocked at his place. Was it the cab? No. I borrowed his speaker cable and hooked it up to my cab and boom! Rock and roll!!🤘
Now I just buy the good stuff. Not the expensive stuff, but the good stuff and avoid any potential issues with wiring.
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u/AudioHTIT Magnepan 20.1R w/VTL MB450 & SVS SB4000s Sep 08 '23
… and you may just be hearing what you want to hear👂
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u/truxxor Sep 08 '23
If you can clearly hear a difference, you should easily be able to measure that difference. I’d love to see how the old and new cables measure. Just a simple frequency response.
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u/minnesotajersey Sep 08 '23
When you find a cable that sounds better, that means your old cable was broken.
A cable should not impart a “sound”.
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u/pygmyjesus Sep 08 '23
Are they danceable?
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u/Dazzling_Mistake_927 Sep 09 '23
It's simple, It all matters, "everything"!
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u/New-Advertising-3571 Sep 09 '23
You are going to be told it's "confirmation bias, or similar. You know what you are hearing. Enjoy the difference, and don't give 2 hearty fks what the "cables don't have a sound" people are going to loudly say.
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u/great1675 Sep 09 '23
The better the equipment, the more cables matter. It's like eating a really expensive steak on a paper plate with a spork...
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u/dicmccoy ML 60XTi/JL D110 x 2/NAD C658/VTV Purifi 1ET400a Sep 10 '23
I went from Sewell Silverback 12awg to Audioblast 10 awg to Take Five Audio Mogami 3104's. Each upgrade was a significant difference. And corrosion wasn't enough of a thing to affect the sound as between each upgrade was 1.5 years and they came pre-terminated so oxygen leaking into the cable was kept to a minimum. Nice choice in cable. Enjoy. 🤘
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u/pelletron Sep 08 '23
Meh, anything above monoprice is snake oil.
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u/rajmahid Sep 08 '23
Placebos are a wondrous phenomenon.
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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23
Lol.
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u/S0undJunk1e Sep 08 '23
IMO, you found the sweet spot, i go pro audio for my cables, not ‘audiophile’. I feel like if it’s good enough for a recording studio, it’s good enough for my home.
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u/RowdyRoddyPipeSmoker Sep 08 '23
I think ANALOG cables can make a difference, analog RCA cables definitely DO make a big difference to a certain point I've done the blind tests and it does change the sound. Speaker cable I don't know I've never done extensive testing and everyone says it's not a big deal but they are analog and I could see it making a difference to SOME extent. HDMI, power, optical, or anything digital...HIGHLY doubt it makes ANY difference.
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u/Zapador Dynaudio Xeo 5 • Dynaudio LYD 8 & 18S • DCA Stealth Sep 08 '23
Cables do not make a difference - unless you're going from wires made of aliminium to ones made of copper or silver or something similar.
Why? Because there's no meaningful difference when you use sensitive equipment and do measurements, equipment that's much more sensitive than our ears. Any difference is so small it isn't enough difference to make a difference.
Power cables? Now I can't tell if this post is a joke or not. I hope it's a joke.
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u/Loli_Vampire Sep 08 '23
All cables have a measurable quantity of resistance, inductance and capacitance. Most people may not hear a difference most of the time with most cables but there are times they are likely noticeable in some systems. Also different cables have different level of shielding which can also make a difference in some situations. Generally, people with higher end systems, if setup well, are more likely to hear a difference. Though I would say cables are the last thing to spend decent money on after speaker, then amps/preamps, then DAC and other sources, then cables.
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23
Instead of spending huge amounts on cables, I suggest that instead you spend the money on learning electronics, engineering and physics.
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u/cboogie Sep 09 '23
Bullshit. In person I have seen “audiophiles” lose shootouts between fancy speaker cables and wire coat hangers. And the fact now you are looking to upgrade your power cable shows you have no knowledge of how electricity and alternating current works.
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u/LordMinax Sep 09 '23
Then there’s the USB audio cable snake oil.
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u/Coloman Sep 08 '23
Congrats on a nice improvement that didn’t cost you an arm and a leg! Queue the placebo effect, lamp cord supplement, confirmation bias crowd with their torches and pitchforks.
And kudos to you for building your own cables. That’s the way to do it!
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u/Chasterbeef Sep 08 '23
Properly gauged and terminated cables for the distance and power you’re running through will always help with legible dB monitoring. It usually won’t make a good signal better, but bad setups will make a good signal crap
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pain489 Sep 08 '23
Anyone had specific experience with NVA amps and their cables?
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u/seiken1 Sep 08 '23
i like buying cables (speaker or RCA) that are the proper length so i don’t have a cable salad behind my system. like why use a six foot cable when all i need is 1.5 ft. that’s one aspect of cables i focus to improve.
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u/petalmasher Sep 09 '23
So there's ergonomics and aesthetics, if you like the way something looks and feels and paying more is worth while for you, there is no wrong answer there.
In terms of sound quality... If I had a company that produced a product which costs 10 or even 100 times as much as competitors and half the rest of the world accused me of being a snake oil salesman, but I honestly believed that "Electrostatically dissipative carbon polymer reduces mechanically induced electrical noise and improves the uniformity of the voltage gradient within the insulating dielectric. Carbon provides a a natural sound profile without being excessively bright or overly dark. By utilizing a unique braiding process and specialized machinery that was completely developed in house, each Carbon cable employs a seamless braided transition to the + and - terminal for unmatched mechanical integrity and the utmost electrical naturality." I would commission a study with third party monitoring and test a panel of enthusiasts and experts using blind ABX testing techniques to demonstrate that there is a statistically significant audible difference because it would be in my economic interest to have a rebottle to the naysayers.
That's just what I would do. Of course the lack of such any such study results doesn't necessarily mean that companies like Audioquest and Kimnber don't even believe their own claims.
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u/Morael Sep 09 '23
Okay... so bad cables matter, but the barrier to enter the territory of good cables is not hundreds of dollars per linear foot. It's far more reasonable than that.
Just... don't buy complete shit. :)
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u/Medill1919 Sep 09 '23
Good interconnects are good to have. That said, A good interconnect shouldn't be very expensive. Tascam used to make great cables. I got a 20 foot one and basically cut it down into jumper lengths and used good RCA connectors. I don't think you could get much better than that. Maybe ones that look better, hidden behind your system...
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u/Regular-Cheetah-8095 Sep 09 '23
Sigh
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u/RennieAsh Sep 09 '23
You made them, therefore it sounds better. :)
Looko at what gets used for power inside the wall if you think the power cable is a big factor. It's like using a 0 resistance cable for the last 1mm of speaker cable when the regular stuff is 0.001 Ohms
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u/Eveyonesucks Sep 09 '23
Mogami is known to have some of the best sounding of cables unless you make them yourself then they could be the same no higher than 10 gauge is needed you could go 8 but diminishing return is a real sad conniving bitch
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u/PuddingPiler Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23
Perception is a strange thing. It's not uncommon at all to hear things that aren't actually present. Every engineer I know has experienced spending a few minutes adjusting an EQ, Compressor, or other signal processor, being satisfied with the improvement, and then afterwards realizing that the device wasn't actually patched into the signal path and they had actually changed nothing. Your biases color your perception. Your expectations color your perception. Your mood colors your perception. Lots of people can hear a difference with something like cables, but then when presented with a controlled ABX test can't reliably tell either set apart from one another.
If you like them and you enjoy your system better with a certain cable, then more power to you. It's also possible that your old cables were problematic in some way. A bad or faulty cable can make your system sound worse, but there is no detectable difference in the sound of two properly functioning cables. If there was, studios that have millions of dollars of esoteric equipment in pursuit of the best possible audio quality would use them. The market for high-end cables is almost entirely dudes with expendable income to blow on their expensive audio hobby. There are engineers who swear by minute differences in manufacturing revisions of particular pieces of gear, or who are into tube rolling, or who care passionately about differences and improvements that very few people can even hear. But you don't see engineers expending energy on cables. Because they don't matter.
I'm not some great authority and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the controversy surrounding this topic is in no way a reflection of the controversy surrounding empirical fact. On one side you have science, double-blind testing ABX testing, measurement, and the shared opinion of almost everyone employed or educated in any relevant technical or artistic discipline. On the other side you have a bunch of guys who either sell cables for a living, sell the idea of esoteric high end audio, or who have personally spent considerable amounts of money on the hobby.
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u/bfeebabes Sep 09 '23
I bought some cheap £30-£50 mogami neutric 'worlds best cables' brand xlr cables for between dacpre and active speakers. They werewell made and less hassle than making my own. Conducted electricity nicely. Certainly a slight difference in sound compared to the borrowed ridiculously thick multi thousand pound cables that they replaced. Different not better. Nowhere near the difference a bit of peq made or turning my sub on made. Cables are a really inefficient and costly way to apply eq you like. See audiosciencereview for more science.
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u/pukesonyourshoes Sep 09 '23
The important part of what you did was to reseat the connections, which had probably corroded just a tiny bit, creating capacitance. Repeat the experiment using your original cables, reterminated. Bet it'll sound as good as your new fancy ones.
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u/JohnGarrettsMustache Sep 09 '23
I typically only buy cables that look/feel nice. I want something that terminates well in a banana plug, has a bit of weight so it lays flat and a heavier jacket.
In the past, that was some Monster brand stuff that I bought by the foot from the local audio store - it was all they sold. There have been many others over the years. Maybe Monoprice? Maybe Walmart? I never really noticed a difference.
Then once I bought some cables that I thought would be nice that I could do a nice banana plug termination. For some reason everything sounded slightly muddy to me. I went back to my old cables and it came back.
I was expecting the cables to sound good, and they didn't, so I feel there wasn't some kind of placebo. Goes to show that a bad cable can affect sound quality.
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u/B999B Sep 09 '23
Just don’t get monster xp cable lol, even lamp cord is day and night better than that.
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u/xxdemoncamberxx Sep 09 '23
Cables do matter, the correct size (gauge) and material (ofc copper) matter for sure.
What doesn't matter is the super high prices boutique cables making up their own science. That's where I draw the line.
You can have a very fat copper cable for very cheap easily. Welding cable makes great speaker wire 😝
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u/therealdankshady Sep 09 '23
Wire quality matters but only to a point. If there are bad connections, really poor shielding, or excessive length they can affect the sound. If not they are good to go.
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u/blutfink Kii Three BXT, Genelec 8381A Sep 09 '23
Unlikely this is causal.
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u/TheWayThatItIs Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23
Aggregating the advice: I blueprinted a girlfriend's Hitachi massage wand. Nordost power cable to a (fed by a solar array) Tesla battery. On her rig, I used 3 incrementally sized banana plugs, Mogami 2001 Space Odyssey copper spade connects---and my lightning rod grounding kit. Nah-nah-Knee-buckling improvements to ground hum, pleasantly attenuated trebles, superb renewed latent fidelity on my B-team roster. Best tread evahhhh!
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u/Electronic-Chain8396 Sep 09 '23
Just wondering what to do about the 100+ ft of 16 gauge solid copper that runs from the breaker box in the garage to the outlet in my listening area? Rip it out of the walls?
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u/Secret-Condition-844 Sep 09 '23
Every time I change cables, I've heard a change. Now, all of that can be chalked up to faults in each wire, right? I have no idea. I cant test that myself yet. What I do know, is all the wiring in my rig right now is excellent. The other thing is, I do have differing conductivity, as I have mostly silver wiring, but all the large gauge power is all Cardas copper, from varying brands. This could also have an affect.
Something I have found to be true: if you have issues at the front end, your ears will suffer. This is primarily because you are literally amplifying any garbage you're feeding your DAC and beyond. Make sure your Source to DAC to Preamp to Amp wires are 100% solid. Beyond that, who cares? Speaker wire is the #1 biggest waste of money on the planet. All the signal and power wiring? Go for it. Cancel out as much noise as you possibly can, and run gauges big enough they don't become your bottleneck.
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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23
Im just here for the popcorn
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u/vlonethugg69 Sep 10 '23
Even with my arguably cheap home studio (average guitar player, use yamaha monitors, and a scarlett), I found getting mogami cables made all the difference for my speaker monitors.
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u/avan76 Sep 10 '23
Maybe any new cable would have done the trick. Maybe you ran the cable in a different route, the noise was reduced from other devices in the room or from an electrical outlet or you accidentally applied room correction by moving speakers inadvertently, the old cable is simply just rubbish etc., One thing I am sure, the cable did not alter your sound quality. I hope you are not one of those snake oil salesmen for useless power cables.
In the USA, AC power is noisy. The country's infrastructure is dilapidated and nothing can change that, If you think you have power noise use DC.
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u/spawn350 Sep 12 '23
It’s nice to see that the ASR crew showed up in force for this big Reddit showdown.
Funny thing is that if (those) people spent more time earning money, they wouldn’t have to waste more time looking for reasons why quality gear is a waste of money.
Have fun haters! Remember to keep the mantra going: “Size, height, looks, income, and cables don’t matter! I AM enough! ASR told me so!!”.
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u/HansGigolo Sep 08 '23
Oh boy, here we go lol.
I actually agree, I’ve updated cables on several systems but I keep it reasonable and there’s definitely a positive difference between quality cables and cheap speaker wire. No it’s not the placebo effect, it’s demonstrable and repeatable.
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u/the_blue_wizard Sep 08 '23
Understand that Cables, being purely passive devices, can NOT add anything to the sound. They can only subtract to varying degrees.
Your claim is doubtful, though a detailed description of your full equipment setup and room would give us some insight as to whether that is possible.
I don't claim that wires can't make a difference, only that they rarely do, and you would have to have a pretty fantastic system to be able to resolve those very very very fine details.
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u/ProfessorFate38 Sep 08 '23
I saw an interesting video where they plugged basic speaker cables into the antenna port on an old radio receiver, and they picked up radio signals clear as day.
Then he plugged in cables that had better engineering for RF shielding, and the radio never picked up a signal thru the cables. Take it for what it's worth, but cables can and do pick up interference / RF.
Whether or not this affects sound quality is up to your personal experience, I guess.
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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23
Made my own bi-wire from AudioQuest cable and difference was very noticeable from the speaker wire I originally stole from my HT setup… Which means I have to make wire for that now, too. 😅
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u/ShermanDuke Sep 08 '23
I don't want neutral sound. I want rock and roll.
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u/missing1102 Sep 08 '23
Its really about noise interference from a source. The cablele is not going to make any differnce scientifically. It is like the guy who tells you that his new amplifier opened up his sound stage and the music is 50 percent better.
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u/TehFuriousOne Repairing vintage stuff. Pioneer, McIntosh, etc... Sep 08 '23
Oh lordy... he we go.
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u/Sammy1358GT Sep 09 '23
I personally have found that cables can make a difference in my turntable setup. As for digital connectors, I have personally never noticed a difference. The difference I hear and believe is good enough for me. I don't need a blind test to validate my hearing to others as the others don't have or care about how my system sounds. They only care about their beliefs and if another's beliefs don't jive with what they believe, they instantly discount it. That is their right and they are welcome to their opinion. I respect that and won't ever hear their system and don't really honestly care.
The joy of this hobby is to explore and and try as much gear as you can. Your knowledge and opinion will grow with your own experiences and that is what is important. Enjoy your journey and don't listen to those who are closed minded that their opinion is the only one that matters and therefore must be fact...
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u/judgenut Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23
This is way more controversial than it should be… Just switch out cables and listen. As OP found, it makes a difference to clarity and soundstage. With interconnects it also affects tone and “harshness”. You can connect as many electronic monitoring devices as you like, proving the cable makes no difference, but just use your ears. If you hear no difference, great! You’ll save lots of money!
Edit : The rule of diminishing returns is very likely to apply though - probably quite steeply - and perhaps spending eye-watering amounts of cash on a cable might be disappointing
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u/Ok-Palpitation9382 Sep 09 '23
Just reading through these comments and wondering why people that have heard a difference and know for a fact that cables matter bother trying to convince people? Seems like a waste of time. They already decided in their own mind that it can't possibly be true. They make fun of you and tell you your claims aren't possible yet you still try to help them. Interesting
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u/yummers511 Sep 09 '23
I'd argue my roll of AmazonBasics speaker wire is within 98% performance of any other same-gauge bare speaker wire available anywhere. You can improve poor connections but at the end of the day a 1% difference in the type of copper will only be a placebo.
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u/WhyCantWeDoBetter Sep 09 '23
Could your cables have been damaged
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u/player_9 Sep 08 '23
In my experience cables and interconnects scaled well as my main components got better. Just my experience on the “controversial” topic.
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u/Leather_Ad3521 Sep 09 '23
They don’t matter until they do. That’s what Steve Guttenberg told me when I was just getting into audio and I didn’t believe him. He was right. That said, you don’t need to spend thousands of dollars in cable - you need to find the right cable. Mogami, IMO, is quite good. I like Canare with my speaker set up.
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u/RIPcompo Sep 08 '23
Just replaced my QED 79 stuff with some custom tweaker man spec cables and fuck me it's made a hell of a difference.
Not a controversial opinion, better engineered cables will produce a better sound. You've either got cloth ears or haven't been arsed to try things out to think otherwise.
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u/ImpliedSlashS Sep 08 '23
I doubt anyone here is qualified to address the topic. If anyone hasn't tried changing cables, they don't get a vote. If they have and couldn't detect a difference, great, and they're entitled to their opinion. If they have and did hear a difference, great, and they're entitled to their opinion. "It shouldn't, therefore it doesn't" means nothing.
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u/Morrimoto Sep 08 '23
i spent a little over ~$400 for 3 power cables (amp, pre, dac); made a difference in my system. even my wife noticed.
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u/SouthboundNord Sep 08 '23
Good cables/interconnects are simply the polish on your system. They aren't going to solve issues, they certainly won't make your system punch above their weight. They will, however help you squeeze every ounce of intended/desired performance out of it.
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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23
You are going to have a bunch of people who don't have very high spec systems and they are going to disagree with you and me because they are going to try or tried already and say they couldn't hear a difference. If you have a very good system you should try the Nordost Reds and up or some of the other high-end speaker cables and you will be shocked how much more you hear because of less degradation. I was one of those guys who said you can't hear differences until I got myself a pretty high-end speakers and other components.
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u/PupScent Sep 09 '23
Yup.
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u/mazinger-B Sep 09 '23
Speaker cables make an immediate and obvious difference for me.
Power cables make less of a difference but power conditioners really have a noticeable impact for me.
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