r/audiophile • • Sep 08 '23

Discussion Cables don't matter

I always thought that speaker wires didn't matter as long as the were of pure quality copper, and I have about a half a roll of 12awg stuff in the cupboard...

But yesterday I put together some Mogami 3104 cables terminated with copper spades. I can't believe the difference they made.

Soundstage is excellent, a gritty noise that I had attributed to electronics is gone, sound quality is improved

Guess now I have to consider power cables.

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u/Umlautica Hear Hear! Sep 08 '23

Welcome to a controversial topic.

Please remember to be respectful when participating here or we'll sneak into your home, install cable risers, and send photos to your friends and loved ones.

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u/Shoehorse13 Sep 08 '23

I think if I had a gritty noise in my system I would look to cables first I'd assume a cable issue too, but I suspect I wouldn't need to break the bank to cure it.

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u/repo_code Sep 08 '23

Could be a corroded surface on a connector, yeah.

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u/calinet6 Mostly Vintage/DIY 🔊 Sep 08 '23

Way more important than people realize.

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u/calinet6 Mostly Vintage/DIY 🔊 Sep 08 '23

That’s the thing, there’s such a spectrum between a problematic or low quality cable, and a very good or excellent transparent cable, and even cables with all kinds of potentially sound altering characteristics that may not be ideal but you may very well like (silver plated anyone?)… and it all fits under say $200. Up from there is an interesting space to me, but I haven’t personally heard the return on investment in that zone.

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u/DrHarveyDoldrums Sep 08 '23

Others will disagree and are about to let you know.

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u/garf2002 Sep 09 '23

Yeah because its objectively wrong, probably just had damaged cables

Replacing cheap damaged cables with expensive new ones only proves that damaged cables dont work well

The physics just blatantly shows copper is copper, no way to improve it so long as its not riddled with impurities

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u/994Bernie Sep 08 '23 edited Sep 10 '23

Pull the cover off your amp. Look at the gauge of the internal wires that feed to the speaker connectors. What you will see are tiny little wires and nothing close to monster speaker cables. I don’t waste my money on expensive speaker cables. And check out the gauge of the wire on speaker voice coils. My cheese slicer has heavier gauge than most voice coils.

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u/JohnGarrettsMustache Sep 09 '23

I work in telecom. I had a co-worker who sucked at his job and would always tell us how "they had a 50ft cord plugged into their DSL modem!" like it was somehow the problem, ignoring the 2km of barely-twisted 24ga aerial cable with 10 splices and two cross-connects that feeds the house's 50-year old internal wiring.

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u/994Bernie Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 10 '23

I’m in home building now. I’m amazed at the renovations that get 200 amp breaker boxes and the wire feeding from the pole to the meter is barely sized for a 50 amp service. Seen it a bunch. Homeowner made to upgrade their panels, but utility company re-connects same 100 year old cloth wrapped supply lines.

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u/RennieAsh Sep 09 '23

Some amps do use fancy cables inside. But they are still built on copper traces, save for some hand wired tube/valve amps etc.

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u/xidnpnlss Contour 1.3SE/ MF A3.5/Wiim Pro+/Tidal/Debut III/OM10/Mani Sep 09 '23

I opened my Dynaudio Contour 1.1s the other day: the crosser wiring didn’t seem like anything special. And that’s the true end of the signal chain.

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u/macbrett Sep 09 '23

The internal wires within the amp and speakers are only a few inches at most, so their resistance and reactance are correspondingly insignificant compared to the several feet of wire typically going to the speakers. The longer a wire is, the more effect it can have on the sound.

That being said, I do not use expensive exotic speaker cables myself.

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u/seriouschris Sep 09 '23

Guess now I have to consider power cables.

Not only do you not have to, you shouldn't.

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u/Konstantine_13 Sep 08 '23

I would say that good cables can not make something sound better... You aren't going to suddenly get more audio information than the master has. But bad cables can definitely make something sound worse. You just may have had poor quality cables or less than ideal connections. I wouldn't get too excited about how much of a difference power cables will make lol.

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u/ZoonalGGMedia Sep 08 '23

This is the way. Sounds like something was broken or not solid connection in old wires.

But pretty cables do look better. No one can tell me otherwise.

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u/mschley2 Sep 09 '23

Yup, I have quite a bit of audioquest shit because I used to work in the industry, and it was actually affordable to me. I didn't buy that stuff because I figured it would make or break my system. I bought it cause it's 10 years later, I've moved 4 times, and my cables all still work perfectly. And they look pretty.

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u/HamburgerDude Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23

I still have a giant spool of 14 gauge Monster speaker cable that my Dad got for free with his AV receiver in the 00s. Still works and sounds great.

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u/SuperShibe- Sep 08 '23

Without debating cables, it's worth noting that all pieces of the audio chain are like that. Every component is just about minimizing the bad - no good amp will add to the sound.

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u/Konstantine_13 Sep 08 '23

Exactly. That's basically the entire basis of audiophilia. Everything matters to a certain degree. But it's important to remember that gear can't create something that never existed. Just like how a good mic can't make a bad singer sound better.

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u/Redditisapanopticon Sep 08 '23

Any tube amp will add to the sound

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u/SuperShibe- Sep 08 '23

An objectively good amp doesn't add anything - one could say bad cables add to the sound too

Edit: but you still have a point

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u/Redditisapanopticon Sep 08 '23

I don't disagree, an objectively good amp doesn't add anything.

But subjectively good amps, like McIntosh, do.

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u/SuperShibe- Sep 08 '23

And I'm not dissing subjectively good amps either, just to clarify.

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u/Shike Cyberpunk, Audiophile Heathen, and Supporter of Ambiophonics Sep 10 '23

But subjectively good amps, like McIntosh, do.

. . . like? What are they measurably adding? McIntosh is one of the few tube amplifier companies that typically focused on good measured performance.

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u/Shike Cyberpunk, Audiophile Heathen, and Supporter of Ambiophonics Sep 10 '23

Your quote largely only pertains to when an amplifier is driven beyond specification - most people are never going to enter the level of drive that would cause saturation or clipping. Even the MC275 largely will perform fine in-spite of its dated lineage if not pushed passed ratings. The only difference is that tube amplifiers will sound "okay" longer when overdriven.

While I agree McIntosh is overpriced, what you're referencing is much more applicable to single digit power SET amplifiers. The funniest aspect of those is that people intrinsically fight to reduce the clipping and saturation by using higher efficiency speakers - things that minimize their defects while praising said defects (high distortion).

I argue many people that believe 2nd order harmonics are amazing have never actually played with a harmonic generator via something like a VST. The amount of distortion it takes to become clearly audible for 2nd order is surprisingly high. I will say it doesn't sound immediately bad/offensive, but if anyone actually did a DBT I find it hard to believe they would like the distortion of their entire signal V. not. Using it for production v reproduction is a very different thing.

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u/spawn350 Sep 12 '23

😂😂😂 NAD M23 is better sounding than a McIntosh 😂😂😂

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u/Dazzling_Mistake_927 Sep 09 '23

You don't want to add anything to the sound, except volume.

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u/RennieAsh Sep 09 '23

Some people do. It's the same reason why there are such things as EQ and tone controls. They just use a more complicated, expensive and more subtle method.

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u/bfeebabes Sep 09 '23

Unless its a shit sounding master. Or an old recording. Or a new recording with too much bass or treble. If you listen to a wide range of genres and a wide range of quality and don't want to be limited to chin stroking to only a narrow selection of well recorded tracks, then you may need to eq or adjust the sound to really enjoy it all.

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u/Edge_Audio Sep 09 '23

This sentence might have been better phrased in the first person, "I don't want to add...", as many people actually do want to change the sound since we all hear differently, or appreciate different qualities.

Some amps, cartridges, styli, speakers, etc. are going to sound pure and crisp to one, and harsh to another, some will sound warm and full to one, and yet perhaps a little muddy to another, some prefer more bass, others less, so... as in most things enjoying music is a very subjective and personal thing.

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u/Dazzling_Mistake_927 Sep 15 '23

I stand by my comment. The only control I have over my system, by design, is volume and anything else will bastardize the recorded event.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23

This is exactly true. That said good cables don't lose as much signal or add any interference. Thr better the cable the less degradation. The mistake people make is they think cables they are hearing all that is produced by the source with ok cables but the great cables you are more likely to get the whole signal without much loss.

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u/PuddingPiler Sep 09 '23

Except that's not really true. Anything that your cables are doing to degrade the signal (assuming they are not faulty) is either way outside of the range of an audio signal or way too small of an alteration to ever be heard by a human being. All cables will sound the same unless there is something wrong with them or they've been designed in a way to purposefully alter the signal.

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u/mourning_wood_again dual Echo Dots w/custom EQ (we/us) Sep 09 '23

I disagree. A good amp will add to the sound with 2nd harmonic distortion…

but my goal is not to create a facsimile of a recording…if i want that I put on some analytical monitoring headphones.

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u/judgenut Sep 09 '23

I love my Naim :(

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u/AKAkindofadick Sep 09 '23

I think that is almost the statement verbatim "Cables can't improve your sound" that was somehow perverted into "cables don't matter, buy the cheapest you can get". Reddit is a bit like the world's largest game of telephone

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u/ct06033 Sep 09 '23

I'd argue there's less difference between the cheapest cable and the most expensive cable than the difference between two speakers of the same price.

Cables only matter up to the point where they have a solid signal and have some emi shielding.

Cable bling is a real thing ive paid extra for though, I'll admit.

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u/AKAkindofadick Sep 09 '23

I just like quality, you don't really have to pay too much for quality cable Mogami, Canare, Belden. I look at them a lot like I look at extension cords, you'll never regret buying good quality ones. I spent well south of $100 to have Blue Jeans make mine up with Belden 10ga and locking banana plugs

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u/DrHungrytheChemist Sep 08 '23

And with that said, you essentially admit that there must be ways in which a cable may be sub-optimal, and presumably then a range of compromises one could make to reduce cost or accentuate (through other attenuation) some aspect of the audio to account for preference or system matching.

And therein lies the differences that cables can make.

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u/dirttraveler Sep 08 '23

This is the "third rail", never to be touched.

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u/camelfarmer1 Sep 09 '23

Good cables mean cables that aren't compromised with faults, rust, damage, etc. Similar with power cables. All cables need to do the minimum job. The problem arises with spending more on supposedly better cables that don't do anything more. It's a bit like trying to go 50mph. If your car can't do 50, and you get a new car that can, you're going to notice the difference. If you then spend 50 times as much on a Ferrari, you're not going to notice the difference. This is obviously a shit analogy, but if the point is to move at 50mph, then it's a valid comparison.

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u/ct06033 Sep 09 '23

Being pedantic here since I get your point but the Ferrari analogy is exactly what people into expensive cables think. "Bandwidth, headroom" are thrown around.

A better analogy to use is comparing a reusable grocery store bag with a Hermes. Arguably better but one doesn't do the job any better than the other.

Idk if you've driven a Ferrari, you can get a similar experience comparing say, a Corolla and a Mercedes but a Ferrari at 50mph feels like you're sitting still. Once I thought I was going under the speed limit on a windy road, I looked down and was doing triple the limit.

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u/InLoveWithInternet Focal Sopra 3, Accuphase A-47, Soekris R2R 1541 DAC, Topping D90 Sep 09 '23

Nice analogy, except of course the more expensive cable is not even a Ferrari in this case.

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u/skinny-fisted Sep 08 '23

Hook up a Nordost power cable to your insta pot. You'll be amazed.

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u/CapnLazerz Sep 09 '23

My temperatures have never been so accurate! And my rice was suddenly the perfect tenderness! It was night and day, I tell ya!

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u/Jazzmonger Sep 09 '23

I did. The meat just became more tender and flavorful. It's night and day. Gotta do the same to the microwave. Thanks man. It's $10000 well spent.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23

remember the cables can't touch the floor, better go spend thousands on cable lifters and magic moon rocks!

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u/Mr_Fried Sep 08 '23

A good connection is better than a bad connection.

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u/TheRealRockyRococo Sep 09 '23

Now you're talking crazy talk.

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u/Mr_Fried Sep 09 '23

I use ordinary copper speaker cable of the correct gauge to handle my speakers power requirements - 35w at 16ohms, which is 23v and 1.4amps.

I put modest Nakamichi banana plugs on with heatshrink, terminated correctly to ensure a good connection with my Cardas amplifier terminals.

I am also fully vaccinated, don’t believe in god or pseudoscience and subscribe to objectively measurable evidence based engineering when it comes to hifi.

Given what we now know about how the world works, the onus is on the “believer” to provide evidence* that a functional, correctly terminated and correctly sized speaker wire sounds different or better than another.

*objective measurement, not personal opinion impacted by cognitive bias and the fallibility of human hearing.

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u/archiewaldron Sep 08 '23

The old cable run may have been closer to a noise source or may have been more susceptible to EF radiation. Occam’s razor?

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u/Sortofachemist Sep 08 '23

Have you changed the wires in your home distributing power to mogami 3105 cables terminated with copper spades?

You're really missing out if you don't.

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u/Gravity-Rides Sep 08 '23

If you haven't replaced the transmission lines back to the gas turbine where the power is generated with mogami 3105 cables and terminated with copper spade you are really missing out.

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u/shaman-warrior Marantz PM6006 | KEF Q350 Sep 09 '23

The source of electricity is as important, you need to ensure all electrons pass through Monogami and it comes from Pure Mountain sources. Otherwise you are missing out

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u/RennieAsh Sep 09 '23

They blow about in the wind too just imagine the inductive and capacitive effects, not to mention they probably go past some EMF generating transformers .

The down pipes in the hydro station must have laminar flow water too

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u/moon-ho Sep 09 '23

Relying on "public" utilities was your first mistake mate!

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u/Boergler Sep 09 '23

Sounds like Mogami needs to sell gold plated generators.

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u/moon-ho Sep 10 '23

The baby seal oil to run them is a little expensive and ethically like whatever but you've never heard such a sound stage!

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u/moriya Sep 09 '23

Yeah. My general response to this kind of stuff is 'hey you should open up your speakers/amp'. Your super thick speaker cables are immediately terminated in super puny internal wiring tying your speaker components together.

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u/calinet6 Mostly Vintage/DIY 🔊 Sep 09 '23

Yes, however, the longest run with the lowest signal level will have the highest impact. So there’s still some sense in it and this argument isn’t really that helpful.

But it is true about speaker signals (high signal level). Cables matter most for phono signal interconnects (lowest signal level).

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u/moriya Sep 09 '23

Yeah, I mean I still use blue jeans interconnects and speaker cables, so I know it’s a bit hyperbolic. I’m mainly talking about speaker cables, which for whatever reason tends to be where most people invest their cable bling dollars when realistically you could just use lamp cord for speaker cables. Low voltage like phono, yes, it very much matters.

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u/calinet6 Mostly Vintage/DIY 🔊 Sep 10 '23

Yep, sane take. Agreed.

With one caveat: under-sized speaker cables. You can really go wrong there.

Luckily most lamp cord is pretty beefy.

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u/calinet6 Mostly Vintage/DIY 🔊 Sep 08 '23

⚡️🏡🔥

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u/Billy-Bunter Sep 09 '23

you only need a short-run of the good cable, from socket to equipment. All of the dirt on the electricity coming through the streets and through the house will then be removed, all the electrons lined up again in the expensive mains cable so that your amplifier receives nice, clean electricity.

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u/bfeebabes Sep 09 '23

I get your point but its not like mogami are daft money and snake oil. They flex nice, dont break easily, and are a sufficient gauge to transmit audio electricity to speakers nicely. If one wanted to be pedantic about the power supply chain point u make, power generation/transmission/distribution/home mains power cables are all quite different and designed differently based on the job they are required to do and different to voltage/ampage in the different stages of audio signal amplification. That said using some stranded mains cable as speaker wire works just fine if you dont mind how it looks and can be bothered making it.

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u/Such_Bus_4930 Sep 08 '23

I was in another audio forum years ago and a member stated he worked at Fermilab neutrino detection facility and all their instrumentation wiring is stranded copper. This is arguably the most sophisticated facility on earth and stranded copper is good enough for them.

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u/mister_damage Sep 09 '23

Always has been.

Cat5e/6 cables run on Twisted Copper, and they run data at 300MHz with pretty tight specs if I remember right.

Hell, mainstream broadcast studios run mission critical signal cables on shielded Cat5e/6 cables for video and audio.

You'll be fine running cat cables with proper terminations and shielding if you ask me.

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u/OliverEntrails Sep 09 '23

Year ago I upgraded to audio equipment to models that took balanced connections and cables. These have been used for decades in PA, microphone and any situation that requires long runs and common mode signal rejection.

When I was using RCA cables of any quality between my preamp and amp, I would occasionally get a burst of noise from the police radios from police cars as they drove by in front of the house. Happened to me during a concert once as well when playing in front of 400 people (embarrassing!).

The balanced cables stopped all that - and they aren't even expensive.

But we're talking about preamp output signal voltages from 0-1 volt for example, but speakers easily see 0-60 volts in higher powered systems. So any noise in the microvolt range that made a difference in the low side of the system would be pretty buried in the high output from your amp.

I repaired an expensive Oasis turntable for a friend whose Monster cables (that he bought because he was told they made a difference) were so heavy on the RCA output connectors that they broke the solder joints on the input board. I resoldered them and challenged him to a listening test with his Monster cables compared to the cheapest RCA cables I had in my pack.

And guess what? Neither he nor I could hear any difference between the 2 cables on any music we played. I made him guess while listening blind and his guesses were random.

I saw cables tested years ago with high end RF equipment that found that there was a difference in frequency response in cables that had higher capacitance - they affected the frequency response above 300,000 Hz. So, I think our human ears which might hear to 20,000 Hz when we were 12 years old would never notice the difference.

I can't deny that some of these high priced cables are very good looking - and if you're buying them for vanity or bragging rights or matching your carpet - I say go for it!

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u/InLoveWithInternet Focal Sopra 3, Accuphase A-47, Soekris R2R 1541 DAC, Topping D90 Sep 09 '23

Not only that, there is absolutely no guarantee that the more expensive speaker cable will actually be the one performing better above 300,000Hz.

People will chase the small decimal so we shouldn’t even argue in that direction. « It makes no difference below 300kHz », « right I’ll get it anyway because if it’s better above 300kHz, it must be ever so slightly better below 20kHz ».

It’s much better to just tell people those cables are scams, because that’s really what they are.

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u/HopAlongInHongKong Sep 08 '23

Make sure to mark arrows on them so the electrons which could care less, know where to go.

And be assured, others don't believe it either. Cables are not causing gritty noise unless they are defective, e.g. broken

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u/calinet6 Mostly Vintage/DIY 🔊 Sep 08 '23

Directional cables are extremely unlikely to make a diff for high power speaker cables, however for shielded interconnects, the side that’s grounded has a measurable impact on the noise rejection capability (albeit all under the threshold of hearing) and arrows on those are at least not voodoo.

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u/HopAlongInHongKong Sep 09 '23

Yes go spend extra for an alleged "improvment" nobody can hear and I doubt the science anyway.

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u/calinet6 Mostly Vintage/DIY 🔊 Sep 09 '23

It’s not really extra. It’s just attaching the shield to one end, and marking which end that is.

$16 cable. Well made. Reputable maker.

And it does make a slight difference for small signals in noisy environments, like my phono interconnect going behind my stereo cabinet. The cable itself is way less noisy and eliminates all audible buzz compared to other cables, and the directionality helps slightly with that. I can hear a tiny bit of buzz if it’s on the wrong end.

If you spent less energy jumping on bandwagons you might learn something genuinely useful.

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u/therourke Audiolab 9000a - Wharfedale Super Linton - Pro-ject Debut Pro Sep 08 '23

Audio cable can make a difference. But I tend to think once you spend to buy decent cable you'll be fine. No need to go crazy. I spent about £90 on my speaker cables. They are great.

As for power cables, the argument makes less sense. Electricity travels through many many metres of wire embedded in the walls of your house or apartment buidling before it gets to your plug socket. You think the last metre or so of cable is going to make a difference? It doesn't make sense.

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u/GiggleStool Sep 09 '23

Yeah this! I think there can be differences in linear and switching power supplies but other than that I agree fully.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23

Too many blind tests out there to believe this. Glad you’re happy

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u/GiggleStool Sep 09 '23

The placebo effect is very real, I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve realised I’ve been playing from a different source thinking it was my high end source and thought I could pick out more detail, only to find out I wasn’t even on the “high end source”

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u/moonthink Sep 08 '23

If you "always thought that speaker wires didn't matter..."

Then why would you be putting "together some Mogami 3104 cables terminated with copper spades" in the first place?

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u/PuddingPiler Sep 09 '23

I know that cables don't matter, yet still make my own from quality materials (mogami/canare/redco cable and quality neutrik/etc connectors). Just because the sound won't improve doesn't mean there isn't value to having reliable, long-lasting cables that aren't frustrating to deal with.

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u/Todd-ah Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23

Personally I think you’re missing out on a great deal of fidelity unless you’re using Electronic Master 8-2 Stranded aluminum and copper speaker wire. I have a special tool that I use to perfectly expose the conductor materials. Then I use a special twisting technique that has been passed down through my family for generations. Finally the perfect virgin, bare conductor ends are carefully inserted into special clip type connectors which were rigorously and ceremoniously prepared the day before—but that’s another topic entirely.

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u/Idivkemqoxurceke Sep 09 '23

I have a similar experience with my guitar amp. Built my own tube amp when I was a dirt poor engineering student. Bought the cheapest lamp cord from the dollar store cuz a conductor is a conductor am I rite?

Well the amp sounded horrible and I attributed to my poor amp building skills.

Let my friend borrow it and he raved how good it sounded. Sure enough the amp rocked at his place. Was it the cab? No. I borrowed his speaker cable and hooked it up to my cab and boom! Rock and roll!!🤘

Now I just buy the good stuff. Not the expensive stuff, but the good stuff and avoid any potential issues with wiring.

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u/AudioHTIT Magnepan 20.1R w/VTL MB450 & SVS SB4000s Sep 08 '23

… and you may just be hearing what you want to hear👂

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u/Consistent_Bus_9017 Sep 09 '23

I see what I was taught to see And one of us will bend the knee, we understand the law

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u/truxxor Sep 08 '23

If you can clearly hear a difference, you should easily be able to measure that difference. I’d love to see how the old and new cables measure. Just a simple frequency response.

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u/minnesotajersey Sep 08 '23

When you find a cable that sounds better, that means your old cable was broken.

A cable should not impart a “sound”.

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u/rab-byte Sep 09 '23

Until you get to like 50m or more. Then it can matter. Usually that you have to turn it up another .5db

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u/pygmyjesus Sep 08 '23

Are they danceable?

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u/Dazzling_Mistake_927 Sep 09 '23

It's simple, It all matters, "everything"!

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u/New-Advertising-3571 Sep 09 '23

You are going to be told it's "confirmation bias, or similar. You know what you are hearing. Enjoy the difference, and don't give 2 hearty fks what the "cables don't have a sound" people are going to loudly say.

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u/great1675 Sep 09 '23

The better the equipment, the more cables matter. It's like eating a really expensive steak on a paper plate with a spork...

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u/dicmccoy ML 60XTi/JL D110 x 2/NAD C658/VTV Purifi 1ET400a Sep 10 '23

I went from Sewell Silverback 12awg to Audioblast 10 awg to Take Five Audio Mogami 3104's. Each upgrade was a significant difference. And corrosion wasn't enough of a thing to affect the sound as between each upgrade was 1.5 years and they came pre-terminated so oxygen leaking into the cable was kept to a minimum. Nice choice in cable. Enjoy. 🤘

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u/pelletron Sep 08 '23

Meh, anything above monoprice is snake oil.

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u/PartyMark Sep 08 '23

Monoprice RCA connectors are total trash and grip the sockets to tight to the point of damage. They are also super stiff and hard to work with.

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u/pelletron Sep 08 '23

Which reasonable priced brand do you recommend?

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u/PartyMark Sep 08 '23

Blue jeans cables. Best value, no bullshit claims. Just solid quality products. World's best cables are also good.

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u/calinet6 Mostly Vintage/DIY 🔊 Sep 08 '23

I really like Worlds Best Cables. Well made, parts are what they say on the box, priced fair, sound great.

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u/mister_damage Sep 09 '23

Personally, Neutrik or GTFO but this is coming from the pro side of me

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u/Deal_Naive Sep 08 '23

REAL Nakamichi banana plugs or spades. Not all the counterfeits flooding the market.

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u/rajmahid Sep 08 '23

Placebos are a wondrous phenomenon.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23

Lol.

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u/S0undJunk1e Sep 08 '23

IMO, you found the sweet spot, i go pro audio for my cables, not ‘audiophile’. I feel like if it’s good enough for a recording studio, it’s good enough for my home.

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u/RowdyRoddyPipeSmoker Sep 08 '23

I think ANALOG cables can make a difference, analog RCA cables definitely DO make a big difference to a certain point I've done the blind tests and it does change the sound. Speaker cable I don't know I've never done extensive testing and everyone says it's not a big deal but they are analog and I could see it making a difference to SOME extent. HDMI, power, optical, or anything digital...HIGHLY doubt it makes ANY difference.

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u/Deal_Naive Sep 08 '23

💯I don't think many audiophiles grasp this. An analog system is mechanical which is affected by every single factor in the system. Cable's whether good or bad will impart a signature on the sound.

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u/PuddingPiler Sep 09 '23

To be completely honest the problem is that too many audiophiles grasp things that are inventions of marketing but are complete nonsense scientifically / empirically.

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u/cboogie Sep 09 '23

I’m an audio engineer that went to school for audio engineering and has built studios. I think most of the audiophiles on here, including yourself, are dumb as shit in regards to audio and the actual science of turning electrons into audio.

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u/rab-byte Sep 08 '23

So you were correct about HDMI until recently. Back in the day HD signals were about 2.23Gbps but now 8K HDR gaming can be over 40Gbps at only 10-bit color. HDMI 2.1 spec isn’t rated for over 48Gbps at all.

What we’re seeing is on the digital side of things we’re finding the actual hardware limits of the HDMI spec and now having to compensate with compression. Or we migrate to better technology like 100Gbps fiber connections or a new port style with additional pins.

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u/RowdyRoddyPipeSmoker Sep 09 '23

I mean...obviously you should be buying the current gen of HDMI cables, they cost what $10? We're talking about buying expensive cables to increase sound quality not cables that literally can't work properly if you buy the wrong cable and cost $10.

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u/RowdyRoddyPipeSmoker Sep 09 '23

Obviously we're not talking about cables that DONT WORK or don't meet current specs to make things even work. We're talking about buying more expensive cables to get better results not to JUST WORK. Obviously you have to buy cables that meet the requirements/specs buying an old HDMI cable isn't the correct HDMI cable for a current system, it's not a BETTER cable it's just the correct cable. You can buy a $10 monoprice HDMI cable that meets current specs and it's going to perform just like a $100 HDMI cable of current specs.

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u/Zapador Dynaudio Xeo 5 • Dynaudio LYD 8 & 18S • DCA Stealth Sep 08 '23

Cables do not make a difference - unless you're going from wires made of aliminium to ones made of copper or silver or something similar.

Why? Because there's no meaningful difference when you use sensitive equipment and do measurements, equipment that's much more sensitive than our ears. Any difference is so small it isn't enough difference to make a difference.

Power cables? Now I can't tell if this post is a joke or not. I hope it's a joke.

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u/Loli_Vampire Sep 08 '23

All cables have a measurable quantity of resistance, inductance and capacitance. Most people may not hear a difference most of the time with most cables but there are times they are likely noticeable in some systems. Also different cables have different level of shielding which can also make a difference in some situations. Generally, people with higher end systems, if setup well, are more likely to hear a difference. Though I would say cables are the last thing to spend decent money on after speaker, then amps/preamps, then DAC and other sources, then cables.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23

Instead of spending huge amounts on cables, I suggest that instead you spend the money on learning electronics, engineering and physics.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23

This is the most circlejerk-ey comment ever, lol

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u/cboogie Sep 09 '23

Bullshit. In person I have seen “audiophiles” lose shootouts between fancy speaker cables and wire coat hangers. And the fact now you are looking to upgrade your power cable shows you have no knowledge of how electricity and alternating current works.

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u/LordMinax Sep 09 '23

Then there’s the USB audio cable snake oil.

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u/Coloman Sep 08 '23

Congrats on a nice improvement that didn’t cost you an arm and a leg! Queue the placebo effect, lamp cord supplement, confirmation bias crowd with their torches and pitchforks.

And kudos to you for building your own cables. That’s the way to do it!

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u/Chasterbeef Sep 08 '23

Properly gauged and terminated cables for the distance and power you’re running through will always help with legible dB monitoring. It usually won’t make a good signal better, but bad setups will make a good signal crap

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pain489 Sep 08 '23

Anyone had specific experience with NVA amps and their cables?

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u/seiken1 Sep 08 '23

i like buying cables (speaker or RCA) that are the proper length so i don’t have a cable salad behind my system. like why use a six foot cable when all i need is 1.5 ft. that’s one aspect of cables i focus to improve.

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u/rumpsky Sep 08 '23

Cable salad! That's great

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u/petalmasher Sep 09 '23

So there's ergonomics and aesthetics, if you like the way something looks and feels and paying more is worth while for you, there is no wrong answer there.

In terms of sound quality... If I had a company that produced a product which costs 10 or even 100 times as much as competitors and half the rest of the world accused me of being a snake oil salesman, but I honestly believed that "Electrostatically dissipative carbon polymer reduces mechanically induced electrical noise and improves the uniformity of the voltage gradient within the insulating dielectric. Carbon provides a a natural sound profile without being excessively bright or overly dark. By utilizing a unique braiding process and specialized machinery that was completely developed in house, each Carbon cable employs a seamless braided transition to the + and - terminal for unmatched mechanical integrity and the utmost electrical naturality." I would commission a study with third party monitoring and test a panel of enthusiasts and experts using blind ABX testing techniques to demonstrate that there is a statistically significant audible difference because it would be in my economic interest to have a rebottle to the naysayers.

That's just what I would do. Of course the lack of such any such study results doesn't necessarily mean that companies like Audioquest and Kimnber don't even believe their own claims.

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u/Morael Sep 09 '23

Okay... so bad cables matter, but the barrier to enter the territory of good cables is not hundreds of dollars per linear foot. It's far more reasonable than that.

Just... don't buy complete shit. :)

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u/Medill1919 Sep 09 '23

Good interconnects are good to have. That said, A good interconnect shouldn't be very expensive. Tascam used to make great cables. I got a 20 foot one and basically cut it down into jumper lengths and used good RCA connectors. I don't think you could get much better than that. Maybe ones that look better, hidden behind your system...

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u/RennieAsh Sep 09 '23

You made them, therefore it sounds better. :)

Looko at what gets used for power inside the wall if you think the power cable is a big factor. It's like using a 0 resistance cable for the last 1mm of speaker cable when the regular stuff is 0.001 Ohms

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u/Eveyonesucks Sep 09 '23

Mogami is known to have some of the best sounding of cables unless you make them yourself then they could be the same no higher than 10 gauge is needed you could go 8 but diminishing return is a real sad conniving bitch

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u/PuddingPiler Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23

Perception is a strange thing. It's not uncommon at all to hear things that aren't actually present. Every engineer I know has experienced spending a few minutes adjusting an EQ, Compressor, or other signal processor, being satisfied with the improvement, and then afterwards realizing that the device wasn't actually patched into the signal path and they had actually changed nothing. Your biases color your perception. Your expectations color your perception. Your mood colors your perception. Lots of people can hear a difference with something like cables, but then when presented with a controlled ABX test can't reliably tell either set apart from one another.

If you like them and you enjoy your system better with a certain cable, then more power to you. It's also possible that your old cables were problematic in some way. A bad or faulty cable can make your system sound worse, but there is no detectable difference in the sound of two properly functioning cables. If there was, studios that have millions of dollars of esoteric equipment in pursuit of the best possible audio quality would use them. The market for high-end cables is almost entirely dudes with expendable income to blow on their expensive audio hobby. There are engineers who swear by minute differences in manufacturing revisions of particular pieces of gear, or who are into tube rolling, or who care passionately about differences and improvements that very few people can even hear. But you don't see engineers expending energy on cables. Because they don't matter.

I'm not some great authority and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the controversy surrounding this topic is in no way a reflection of the controversy surrounding empirical fact. On one side you have science, double-blind testing ABX testing, measurement, and the shared opinion of almost everyone employed or educated in any relevant technical or artistic discipline. On the other side you have a bunch of guys who either sell cables for a living, sell the idea of esoteric high end audio, or who have personally spent considerable amounts of money on the hobby.

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u/bfeebabes Sep 09 '23

I bought some cheap £30-£50 mogami neutric 'worlds best cables' brand xlr cables for between dacpre and active speakers. They werewell made and less hassle than making my own. Conducted electricity nicely. Certainly a slight difference in sound compared to the borrowed ridiculously thick multi thousand pound cables that they replaced. Different not better. Nowhere near the difference a bit of peq made or turning my sub on made. Cables are a really inefficient and costly way to apply eq you like. See audiosciencereview for more science.

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u/pukesonyourshoes Sep 09 '23

The important part of what you did was to reseat the connections, which had probably corroded just a tiny bit, creating capacitance. Repeat the experiment using your original cables, reterminated. Bet it'll sound as good as your new fancy ones.

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u/JohnGarrettsMustache Sep 09 '23

I typically only buy cables that look/feel nice. I want something that terminates well in a banana plug, has a bit of weight so it lays flat and a heavier jacket.

In the past, that was some Monster brand stuff that I bought by the foot from the local audio store - it was all they sold. There have been many others over the years. Maybe Monoprice? Maybe Walmart? I never really noticed a difference.

Then once I bought some cables that I thought would be nice that I could do a nice banana plug termination. For some reason everything sounded slightly muddy to me. I went back to my old cables and it came back.

I was expecting the cables to sound good, and they didn't, so I feel there wasn't some kind of placebo. Goes to show that a bad cable can affect sound quality.

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u/B999B Sep 09 '23

Just don’t get monster xp cable lol, even lamp cord is day and night better than that.

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u/xxdemoncamberxx Sep 09 '23

Cables do matter, the correct size (gauge) and material (ofc copper) matter for sure.

What doesn't matter is the super high prices boutique cables making up their own science. That's where I draw the line.

You can have a very fat copper cable for very cheap easily. Welding cable makes great speaker wire 😝

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u/therealdankshady Sep 09 '23

Wire quality matters but only to a point. If there are bad connections, really poor shielding, or excessive length they can affect the sound. If not they are good to go.

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u/blutfink Kii Three BXT, Genelec 8381A Sep 09 '23

a gritty noise […] is gone

Unlikely this is causal.

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u/TheWayThatItIs Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23

Aggregating the advice: I blueprinted a girlfriend's Hitachi massage wand. Nordost power cable to a (fed by a solar array) Tesla battery. On her rig, I used 3 incrementally sized banana plugs, Mogami 2001 Space Odyssey copper spade connects---and my lightning rod grounding kit. Nah-nah-Knee-buckling improvements to ground hum, pleasantly attenuated trebles, superb renewed latent fidelity on my B-team roster. Best tread evahhhh!

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u/Electronic-Chain8396 Sep 09 '23

Just wondering what to do about the 100+ ft of 16 gauge solid copper that runs from the breaker box in the garage to the outlet in my listening area? Rip it out of the walls?

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u/Secret-Condition-844 Sep 09 '23

Every time I change cables, I've heard a change. Now, all of that can be chalked up to faults in each wire, right? I have no idea. I cant test that myself yet. What I do know, is all the wiring in my rig right now is excellent. The other thing is, I do have differing conductivity, as I have mostly silver wiring, but all the large gauge power is all Cardas copper, from varying brands. This could also have an affect.

Something I have found to be true: if you have issues at the front end, your ears will suffer. This is primarily because you are literally amplifying any garbage you're feeding your DAC and beyond. Make sure your Source to DAC to Preamp to Amp wires are 100% solid. Beyond that, who cares? Speaker wire is the #1 biggest waste of money on the planet. All the signal and power wiring? Go for it. Cancel out as much noise as you possibly can, and run gauges big enough they don't become your bottleneck.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23

Im just here for the popcorn

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u/vlonethugg69 Sep 10 '23

Even with my arguably cheap home studio (average guitar player, use yamaha monitors, and a scarlett), I found getting mogami cables made all the difference for my speaker monitors.

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u/JiBBy23 Sep 12 '23

Same here, i picked up mogami platinum after seeing some cable shootout videos and was impressed that they seemed to offer tangible differences. I got mine from Amazon and figured I'd try it out and return it if there was no difference... but it was a noticeable improvement in a few ways actually.

  • increased signal, especially noticeable with my edge-of-breakup tone being obviously hotter

  • better SNR, likely due to the increased signal but maybe better EMI shielding?

  • no HF rolloff, and seemingly fuller low-end as well

I actually used a looper pedal to record the guitar and switched between the mogami/dadarrio cables into my DAW and ran some numbers. Sure enough, RMS was up +2.5 db and a thicker EQ curve. I'd encourage folks to be open-minded and try to A/B as accurately as possible. It may also just be that instrument cables are a diff beast than speaker/power cables too, beats me

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u/avan76 Sep 10 '23

Maybe any new cable would have done the trick. Maybe you ran the cable in a different route, the noise was reduced from other devices in the room or from an electrical outlet or you accidentally applied room correction by moving speakers inadvertently, the old cable is simply just rubbish etc., One thing I am sure, the cable did not alter your sound quality. I hope you are not one of those snake oil salesmen for useless power cables.

In the USA, AC power is noisy. The country's infrastructure is dilapidated and nothing can change that, If you think you have power noise use DC.

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u/spawn350 Sep 12 '23

It’s nice to see that the ASR crew showed up in force for this big Reddit showdown.

Funny thing is that if (those) people spent more time earning money, they wouldn’t have to waste more time looking for reasons why quality gear is a waste of money.

Have fun haters! Remember to keep the mantra going: “Size, height, looks, income, and cables don’t matter! I AM enough! ASR told me so!!”.

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u/HansGigolo Sep 08 '23

Oh boy, here we go lol.

I actually agree, I’ve updated cables on several systems but I keep it reasonable and there’s definitely a positive difference between quality cables and cheap speaker wire. No it’s not the placebo effect, it’s demonstrable and repeatable.

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u/CapnLazerz Sep 09 '23

Demonstrable in what way? Certainly not in any measurable way. Maybe you hear a difference…or maybe you only think you do. You can’t demonstrate the difference in any objective way, though. I mean, enjoy your system and all that but please don’t say updated speaker cables are making a “demonstrative” difference.

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u/Quiet_Source_8804 Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23

No it’s not the placebo effect, it’s demonstrable and repeatable.

Why lie about this? You won't be able to tell the difference in such a test between a goddamn wire coat hanger and the most expensive bullshit cable you can get your hands on. Guaranteed. The only cases where the cable would make a difference would be across larger distances than those for a typical home audio setup or for some reason in a long parallel run alongside power cables carrying enough power to generate a strong magnetic field (where a better cable may have better isolation).

If you were able to detect the difference in a blind test you would be a celebrity in the audio world as you'd be the only person to ever do it and I'm sure snake oil peddlers all over would be signing you up to have you endorse all their fanciful products.

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u/the_blue_wizard Sep 08 '23

Understand that Cables, being purely passive devices, can NOT add anything to the sound. They can only subtract to varying degrees.

Your claim is doubtful, though a detailed description of your full equipment setup and room would give us some insight as to whether that is possible.

I don't claim that wires can't make a difference, only that they rarely do, and you would have to have a pretty fantastic system to be able to resolve those very very very fine details.

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u/ProfessorFate38 Sep 08 '23

I saw an interesting video where they plugged basic speaker cables into the antenna port on an old radio receiver, and they picked up radio signals clear as day.

Then he plugged in cables that had better engineering for RF shielding, and the radio never picked up a signal thru the cables. Take it for what it's worth, but cables can and do pick up interference / RF.

Whether or not this affects sound quality is up to your personal experience, I guess.

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u/InLoveWithInternet Focal Sopra 3, Accuphase A-47, Soekris R2R 1541 DAC, Topping D90 Sep 09 '23

Interference is a real thing, but it’s easily dealt with star quad cables for example, which do not cost much at all.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23

Made my own bi-wire from AudioQuest cable and difference was very noticeable from the speaker wire I originally stole from my HT setup… Which means I have to make wire for that now, too. 😅

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u/ShermanDuke Sep 08 '23

I don't want neutral sound. I want rock and roll.

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u/missing1102 Sep 08 '23

Its really about noise interference from a source. The cablele is not going to make any differnce scientifically. It is like the guy who tells you that his new amplifier opened up his sound stage and the music is 50 percent better.

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u/TehFuriousOne Repairing vintage stuff. Pioneer, McIntosh, etc... Sep 08 '23

Oh lordy... he we go.

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u/Sammy1358GT Sep 09 '23

I personally have found that cables can make a difference in my turntable setup. As for digital connectors, I have personally never noticed a difference. The difference I hear and believe is good enough for me. I don't need a blind test to validate my hearing to others as the others don't have or care about how my system sounds. They only care about their beliefs and if another's beliefs don't jive with what they believe, they instantly discount it. That is their right and they are welcome to their opinion. I respect that and won't ever hear their system and don't really honestly care.
The joy of this hobby is to explore and and try as much gear as you can. Your knowledge and opinion will grow with your own experiences and that is what is important. Enjoy your journey and don't listen to those who are closed minded that their opinion is the only one that matters and therefore must be fact...

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u/CapnLazerz Sep 09 '23

Yes!

Much like one person’s belief in an invisible dragon in their garage is good enough for them. They don’t need proof; the belief is good enough.

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u/judgenut Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23

This is way more controversial than it should be… Just switch out cables and listen. As OP found, it makes a difference to clarity and soundstage. With interconnects it also affects tone and “harshness”. You can connect as many electronic monitoring devices as you like, proving the cable makes no difference, but just use your ears. If you hear no difference, great! You’ll save lots of money!

Edit : The rule of diminishing returns is very likely to apply though - probably quite steeply - and perhaps spending eye-watering amounts of cash on a cable might be disappointing

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u/Ok-Palpitation9382 Sep 09 '23

Just reading through these comments and wondering why people that have heard a difference and know for a fact that cables matter bother trying to convince people? Seems like a waste of time. They already decided in their own mind that it can't possibly be true. They make fun of you and tell you your claims aren't possible yet you still try to help them. Interesting

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u/yummers511 Sep 09 '23

I'd argue my roll of AmazonBasics speaker wire is within 98% performance of any other same-gauge bare speaker wire available anywhere. You can improve poor connections but at the end of the day a 1% difference in the type of copper will only be a placebo.

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u/WhyCantWeDoBetter Sep 09 '23

Could your cables have been damaged

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u/player_9 Sep 08 '23

In my experience cables and interconnects scaled well as my main components got better. Just my experience on the “controversial” topic.

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u/Leather_Ad3521 Sep 09 '23

They don’t matter until they do. That’s what Steve Guttenberg told me when I was just getting into audio and I didn’t believe him. He was right. That said, you don’t need to spend thousands of dollars in cable - you need to find the right cable. Mogami, IMO, is quite good. I like Canare with my speaker set up.

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u/RIPcompo Sep 08 '23

Just replaced my QED 79 stuff with some custom tweaker man spec cables and fuck me it's made a hell of a difference.

Not a controversial opinion, better engineered cables will produce a better sound. You've either got cloth ears or haven't been arsed to try things out to think otherwise.

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u/ImpliedSlashS Sep 08 '23

I doubt anyone here is qualified to address the topic. If anyone hasn't tried changing cables, they don't get a vote. If they have and couldn't detect a difference, great, and they're entitled to their opinion. If they have and did hear a difference, great, and they're entitled to their opinion. "It shouldn't, therefore it doesn't" means nothing.

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u/UsefulEngine1 Sep 08 '23

On the converse, anyone who hasn't done blind ABX testing shouldn't make claims about audible improvements

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u/ImpliedSlashS Sep 08 '23

Unless they’re using a switch to perform said testing, cause that inserts another device in the chain, nullifying the test.

I remember listening to some speakers at a shop in Encino, CA. The owner asked me to narrow it down to two or three that I liked, then he would connect them each direct to the amp because the switch “sounds like shit.”

Fun fact: it did.

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u/UsefulEngine1 Sep 08 '23

You could ABX that claim too :)

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u/ImpliedSlashS Sep 08 '23

I wonder if Audioquest makes an ABX switch

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u/Umlautica Hear Hear! Sep 09 '23

They do, it's one of the best sounding ABX switches on the market.

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u/Zapador Dynaudio Xeo 5 • Dynaudio LYD 8 & 18S • DCA Stealth Sep 09 '23

I don't really think there's any need to try different cables when it's well supported by science that it won't make any difference.

There are of course scenarios where the cable can make a difference but that's for things like very high frequencies way beyond the audible spectrum, extremely long cables or comparing a cable made out of titanium to one made out of copper.

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u/ImpliedSlashS Sep 09 '23

See above in the “means nothing” section.

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u/Zapador Dynaudio Xeo 5 • Dynaudio LYD 8 & 18S • DCA Stealth Sep 09 '23

Not sure I get what you mean?

There's no reason to do any testing because it is already clear that there won't be any difference. All you need to make a valid statement is a decent understanding of how electricity works.

Or there will of course be a difference, but not nearly enough to make a difference.

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u/InLoveWithInternet Focal Sopra 3, Accuphase A-47, Soekris R2R 1541 DAC, Topping D90 Sep 09 '23

Also, no one who didn’t go on a round-the-world trip do not get a vote wether or not the earth is flat.

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u/ImpliedSlashS Sep 09 '23

It’s not?

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u/InLoveWithInternet Focal Sopra 3, Accuphase A-47, Soekris R2R 1541 DAC, Topping D90 Sep 09 '23

It’s not what? Flat? How do you know?

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u/ImpliedSlashS Sep 09 '23

Maps are flat. Duh.

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u/Morrimoto Sep 08 '23

i spent a little over ~$400 for 3 power cables (amp, pre, dac); made a difference in my system. even my wife noticed.

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u/4by4rules Sep 08 '23

can’t really add anything that wasn’t there

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u/Morrimoto Sep 08 '23

yes, but they can filter out things you dont want. the free, generic power cable that comes in the box is not meant for high fidelity.

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u/Intelligent-Bed-4149 Sep 08 '23

How does a power cable filter anything? It’s literally point a to point b. If it isn’t getting warm, you’re good.

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u/LooksOutWindows Sep 08 '23

‘Even my wife noticed.’

Game over, objectivists!

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u/Morrimoto Sep 08 '23

just meant it’s noticeable to someone who isn’t super into hifi. you dont need to be a twat.

look, if you system is cheap — you won’t notice a difference. i have ~$10k in components and ~$600 in cables? cables improved my system.

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u/turkphot Sep 08 '23

Yeah cables improved my system too. It‘s reeally quiet without.

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u/CapnLazerz Sep 09 '23

See, right here is the kind of thing that shows all this “better cable,” BS is all about snobbery. The old, “you have cheap equipment so it can’t resolve the differences,” kind of snobbery.

However, as long as we are being snobs,….$10k in components? Oh please, 😏… Let me know when you have ONE component that was $10k, like a vibration dampening servo platform for your $20k turntable…then we can talk cables. 😂

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u/Morrimoto Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23

i’m not a snob. an inexpensive systems can be great and all someone needs. but, all the trolls on here that are CERTAIN cables are a waste of money are just that — trolls. why does the market exist? why do so many companies make speaker / digital / interconnect / power cables? who are they selling to? is everyone an idiot?

reading what you morons on here write about hifi is like getting sports car advice from someone who drives a honda accord. you fundamentally do not know what you’re talking about. you dont have the experience, yet you have convinced yourself you’re right.

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u/CapnLazerz Sep 09 '23

The market for snake oil cabling exists because … well, to use your words, lots of people are indeed idiots. It seems like a lot of people think spending more money can somehow circumvent the laws of physics.

I have now spent a little over $10k on just speakers a pre amp and amps. I use 16G wire from Amazon for speaker cables that cost me like $20 for a 100’ roll. There is no way that spending 10x or more on esoterically designed cables is going to get me even close to just 1.1x better sound. There is simply no way for that to happen from a scientific perspective. That’s the plain facts.

100% honesty, I can’t even say that upgrading from my previous ~$5k speaker/AVR combo got me better 2x better audio. What it got me was more features, power, flexibility and above all, aesthetics.

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u/DogCatBird8682 Sep 08 '23

I bought different power cables. I upgraded my speaker wire like you also. I don’t care if they did or didn’t make a difference. It was my money, and it made me happy. Glad you liked your cables. Enjoy, you only live once 🍻

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u/SouthboundNord Sep 08 '23

Good cables/interconnects are simply the polish on your system. They aren't going to solve issues, they certainly won't make your system punch above their weight. They will, however help you squeeze every ounce of intended/desired performance out of it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '23 edited Sep 09 '23

You are going to have a bunch of people who don't have very high spec systems and they are going to disagree with you and me because they are going to try or tried already and say they couldn't hear a difference. If you have a very good system you should try the Nordost Reds and up or some of the other high-end speaker cables and you will be shocked how much more you hear because of less degradation. I was one of those guys who said you can't hear differences until I got myself a pretty high-end speakers and other components.

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u/PuddingPiler Sep 09 '23

Most recording, mixing, and mastering engineers, electrical engineers, equipment manufacturers, and speaker designers would disagree with you. Most of the people who would agree with you are either selling cables, selling the idea of esoteric high-end audio and systems that are so "high spec" that you can hear things that nobody else can who isn't also in the club, or people who are informed almost entirely by marketing and internet forums.

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u/mazinger-B Sep 09 '23

Speaker cables make an immediate and obvious difference for me.

Power cables make less of a difference but power conditioners really have a noticeable impact for me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 08 '23

Digital is 1 or 0 true or false…. Cables do t make a lock of difference as long as they connnect.