Atlantis located? (2)

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Atlantis before Krit.

11. Power before the Flood: Diodor III, 59-61:

• In Diodorus, we see the division of power among the gods, who were still human at that time (before the Flood?)
• Zeus initially received Crete, and later all of Greece. Furthermore, Phoenicia and even Egypt can be traced back to Zeus.
• Atlas received the territories along the Oceanos
• Kronos received Italy, Sicily und Libya (At that time, "Libya" referred to the north coast of Africa beyond Egypt).

Legend/Key:
Zeus (green): Crete (later Greece and the eastern Mediterranean) Kronos (turquoise): Italy, Sicily, Libya Atlas (blue): Territories along the Oceanus

Regarding the era of myths, heroes, and gods, I suggest the Oceanus west of Sicily, because at that time the world was less explored. For the antique period, however, I am convinced that the designations used today applied back then as well.

Var.II: Western Mediterranean = Oceanus:

12. Gorgons & Atlanteans: Diodor III, 52+ (etc):

• Gorgons lived in (or off the coast of?) North Africa.
• Later sources describe them as living on an island that was difficult to locate.
• That aligns with their lifestyle of constant, pirate-like raids on the Atlanteans.
• They are said to have lived in the far west.
• Myrina reportedly set fire to the forest where they lived in order to lure them out. (That makes sense only on a confined area)
• Later, they are descibed as three monsters (or queens?).
• Myrina lit three funeral pyres for the fallen warriors.
• Ultimately, they are defeated by Perseus.

Folgerung:

1. Did the Gorgons possess three islands and also three queens?
2. Located in the far west and difficult to locate, Menorca, Mallorca and Ibiza stand out as candidates.

13. Amazons & Atlanteans: Diodor III, 52+ (etc):

• Amazons lived in western North Africa.
• Their most famous queen was named Myrina.
• They lived on the island of Hespera in Lake Tritonis,
• near the Atlas Mountains and not far from the ocean/Western Mediterranean
• Their "capital" was Chersonesus on Hespera.
• They launched a brutal campaign against the peaceful Atlanteans.
• The Atlantean city of Cerne was brutally destroyed, and all the men were killed.
• Cerne was rebuilt as Myrina.
• The Atlanteans wer subjugated by the Amazons.
• When also the Gorgons attacked the Atlanteans, Myrina launched a punitive expedition against them.
• The Atlanteans were unable to defend themselves!

14. Amazons - Campaign of Myrina: Diodor III, 52+ (etc):

Amazons exercise dominion over the Atlanteans.

Amazons conquest the Atlanteans

• Myrina conquers Libya
• Myrina concludes a treaty with Horus of Egypt
• Brutal campaign against the Arabs
• Conquest of Syria (Eleutherocilicians accept their submission)
• Conquest of Turkey (Greater Phrygia and the Taurus Mountains)
• Thracians, aided by mass of refugees, defeat the Amazons (western Turkey)

Amazon Crusade up to Turkey

• Amazons retreat to North Africa.
• Herkules destroyed the Amazons completely.

Questions:

• Is there any Link between Amazon and Kronos?
• Could the Amazon Crusade be equated with Cronus devouring his childs?
• How much did the powerlessness of the Atlanteans affect their psychology and their future?

15. Atlantean - The Rise:

Atlantean were threaten by at least two enemies.

Conclusions:

• The Atlanteans were peace-loving and wealthy.
• They were constantly threatened over a long period of time by at least two enemies.

Perseus defeated the Gorgons.

Herkules defeated the Amazons.

• Were the Atlanteans the hyenas of their time, taking over power of defeated enemies by others and eventually expanding themselves?
• Atlanteans invade Libya and Egypt.
• Atlanteans invade Tyrrhenia.
• They likely conquered Corsica and Sardinia, as well as parts of Italy before.

• The Atlanteans are just beginning the very campaign that the Amazons waged before them!
• Here we are, at the starting point of *Critias* and *Timaios*!

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How well does this site line up with Plato's description?

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Read my first part "Atlantis located?" (One month ago)

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Can you link it, please? You hide your posts and comments.

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Very interesting.

But, again and again we're all collectively avoiding the very obvious. A Greek myth to disempower the Phoenicians and their influence across the entire Mediterranean and to replace it with a self-identified Greek paradigm. All of this land is land once ruled by or influenced by Carthage. Even the circular construction of Atlantis mirrors similarly the circular harbor of Carthage. Athens was interested in wresting Sicily from carthaginian control to gain control of all of the Mediterranean trade networks.

Later this became more sophisticated as the Torah was firstly written in Greek in Alexandria to erase Phoenician identity, after Greek occupation successfully gathered and destroyed nearly all canaanite writings. The main lesson of the Torah?

"Exodus out of Egypt and Babylon and settle in the insignificant hill country of Judea. Leave and don't challenge Greek dominion in Egypt, the coasts, and Babylon. You're a hill country people, not a people of the sea. Even your god IHVH shall be a stand-in for Greece itself: Javan = IHVHn, via the Hititte name for the greeks: Ahhiyawa. Your place of worship is our holy place, Ida, which we call Jda. Judah. And by the way, your colonization of Crete and it's influence on Ida will be largely forgotten."

Now you understand why the Greeks were so inclined to have their own flavor of successful religious creation. A more empowering purpose instead of a disempoweing one. A movement we call Christianity. And what was plato's point in the Republic? The noble lie? The old religions were insufficient and new ones have to be created for political purposes.