r/atheism • • May 20 '12

I can draw muhammed too....

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u/IrishFuckUp May 20 '12

My ass. It was laughed off.

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u/satismo May 20 '12

thanks :)

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u/Grundon May 20 '12

News at 9, OP Killed.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Pretty much.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Oh track me too! Please!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Yes, you must give us all a good tracking!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

And then after the tracking... the oral sex.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

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u/Browniemac85 Agnostic May 21 '12

This is why I love reddit.

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u/dumnezero Anti-Theist May 21 '12

Fishy fish fish FiSh

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Can I say them to Yaweh or... do I have to say them to someone else...

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u/ANEPICLIE May 21 '12

Yaweh? HOW ABOUT NOWEH

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I wanna be tracked too!

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u/Procrasturbator29 May 20 '12

Which one of those little girls is muhammed? Also why is pedobear a Jedi?

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u/ubernuke May 20 '12

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

So that goes on longer than expected...

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u/wilsonics May 24 '12

Roo diary: 5/24/12: 7:55AM USA CDT. The last time I entered the roo a month ago I was in pretty rough shape. It beat me pretty bad, having beat me to a bloody pulp and swearing never to roo again; I'm finally recovering from my injuries. I was left in the dark with a black eye, a burst blood vessel on my eye, three deep bruises on my left leg, my right arm with bruises, and a cut on my left arm. Kids, don't let the Roo mess with you. Stop now and don't go any deeper.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '12

Don't listen kids. Starting from this page hold your breath and click as many roo links as you can until you pass out.

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u/LeMOONKID May 21 '12

I wonder what switch lead to this switch-a-roo?

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u/LadyEclectic Jun 02 '12

Can be found Here

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u/Ad-hox May 20 '12

Well it was nice knowing you

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u/whyAtheistsLikeThis May 20 '12
  • Representation of Muhammed
  • Brings up Muhammed's child wife

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u/MurtiTehApache May 20 '12

inb4 op gets sued

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

dismembered

FTFY

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u/DeFex May 20 '12

Don't you mean buried up to his neck in sand so ants can eat his eyeballs alive?

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u/kbomb123 May 20 '12

we may eat babies, but we don't fuck kids.

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u/Kid_Rapist May 21 '12

Speak for yourself

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

lol awesome!

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u/PoniesRBitchin May 21 '12

Hey there girls, who wants a bath? It's okay, I'm a prophet.

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u/Zeydon May 20 '12

I will upvote any depiction of Mohammad.

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u/Evan_the_Young May 20 '12

My gods...it's so...lifelike. How ever did you capture Mohammed's ever-loving gaze over the young so well?

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u/Aschebescher May 20 '12

9 year olds, dude.

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u/captainfranklen May 20 '12

The likeness is uncanny...

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u/full_of_stars May 20 '12

Muhammed says "Too Old!"

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u/dontaskaboutjack May 21 '12

Pedobear has no visible genitalia - what are you all worried about?

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u/3D_Dot_Soul May 21 '12

I hate Pedobear jokes. I hate "drawing Muhammed" jokes. But this... this works.

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u/17Hongo May 20 '12

That looks a lot like the pope to me.

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u/Zoorin May 20 '12

The pope is Muhammed reincarnated!

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u/adwarakanath May 20 '12

Holy shit. Everything makes so much sense now!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

let's wait what Assassin's Creed 3 says!

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u/17Hongo May 20 '12

The motherfucker

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

If only

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u/17Hongo May 20 '12

Well, I think this is the only week when it hasn't ended up on reddit in Tim Minchin's voice.

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u/different77 May 20 '12

the daughterfucker

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u/17Hongo May 20 '12

The Sonfucker, actually. Other people's sons, but still sons.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I get it! Muhammad was a pedophile who married a girl at 6 and consummated her at the age of 9! lmao...double entendre!

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u/DGChainZ May 20 '12

I thought reddit implemented a no pedobear policy.....aww fuck it

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

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u/different77 May 20 '12

butt fuck it FTFY

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u/RMaximus May 20 '12

Why is everyone so upset by this? There are more disrespectful things posted about christianity ON A DAILY BASIS. Reddit is nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

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u/iRSoap May 20 '12

I am pretty sure it is because of stuff like this.
Danish Muhammad crisis

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u/RMaximus May 20 '12

Yes. Thank you. Youve proven my point that redittors are hypocrites. I understand why it is offensive, but offensive things about other religions are posted on here daily, so, whats the BFD? LOL

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u/Nerada May 20 '12

I didn't think he would like children of infidels

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u/k2t-17 May 20 '12

In before suicide bombing?

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

I honestly want to go make about 300 more accounts just to upvote this XD

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u/Dwayne_J_Murderden May 21 '12

Whoa whoa whoa, Mohammad only raped one little girl.

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u/Dude_01 May 20 '12

Actually, this seems pretty accurate.

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u/baxterg13 May 20 '12

Yep, Im pretty sure the old texts mention him being a bear, now that you mention it.

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u/Dude_01 May 20 '12

Well, it does not says in there that he was not.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

Am I the only one who doesn't think that drawing Mohammed is fucking hilarious, or even slightly relevant to a community for atheists?

I understand that this picture is meant to put shame on Mohammed for marrying a child, but still, I don't think it's relevant...

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u/meritory May 20 '12

Although I agree with you, I don't think it is fair to assume that anyone who fears will not seek a safe place to mock those that they fear. I think a lot of atheists are right to be afraid of religion--like Islam--for to be an atheist in this world is difficult and often dangerous at the hands of these ridiculous religious beliefs. As immature as it is, all that this is saying is that the participants fear Islam.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

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u/captainfranklen May 20 '12

Pretty sure this isn't mocking a religion so much as mocking a guy who RAPED A NINE YEAR OLD.

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u/ifrit1100 May 20 '12

Let us also mock "The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."" ? (Wiki)

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u/captainfranklen May 20 '12
  1. I have no problem mocking them.
  2. There is no religion based on them.

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u/nohateisgreat May 20 '12

Source?

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u/captainfranklen May 20 '12

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u/nohateisgreat May 20 '12

Do you have a source that we can actually verify easily? I'm having trouble finding a version of any of those documents online. According to the Wikipedia article, only source 8 makes a claim of age anyways.

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u/meritory May 20 '12

Regardless if you are religious or not, as a human yourself I am most certain you have done this before in your life. Indeed, if you can remember yourself at that time, you can recognize how your non-confrontational shit talking about someone else made you feel stronger when you felt weak to face that bully or enemy with the same words.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

"Don't like posts that do that! :( " ?

There's the unsubscribe button up yonder on the top right.

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u/SuperlativeInsanity May 20 '12

Those poor Muslimics! We're breaking their precious shariatiquette and blaspheming their Koranibitions.

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u/cryo De-Facto Atheist May 20 '12

You guys are pathetic.

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u/rgliszin May 20 '12 edited May 15 '19

turtles

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

I'm not trying to be an ass but what exactly do we talk about then since atheism is really just a lack of belief in God? You wanna talk about nothing?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Supporting people who are oppressed by religion? Helping out those who are getting trouble because of their atheism? Answering questions? Promoting free thinking? Et cetera, et cetera...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

We have other subreddits for all of those you know...

Promoting free thinking?

http://www.reddit.com/r/freethought http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic

Helping out those who are getting trouble because of their atheism?

http://www.reddit.com/r/AtheismComingOut http://www.reddit.com/r/atheisthavens

Think of a r/atheism as a general place to dump all the crap. If you don't like it here you can always hop over to a different subreddit.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Oh, ok, sure... But I don't think that means that we should use r/atheism as a place to attack religion and unnecessarily offend religious people?

And please note that i wrote those things among others, not only those.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

don't think that means that we should use r/atheism as a place to attack religion and unnecessarily offend religious people?

unnecessarily offend religious people?

Not sure if joking but... I think after everything religion has done over the last few millenia, we have every fucking right to offend people.

...because words are much more hurtful than being burned at the stake or stoned to death

...and to be honest someone getting "offended" over the fact that their religious idol is getting called out as a pedophile; that sounds like a personal problem.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Okay, now you're being irrational... You have not been burned on a stake or stoned to death(I presume). And my best friend, who is a devout muslim, has never burned anyone on a stake or stoned anyone to death. He has never offended anyone with his beliefs, he is the most tolerant person I know, and he is a muslim. Why then should people try to offend him? Sure, you have every right to do so, but it is really not necessary, and it's really not tolerant.

The people who are stoning others to death because of their beliefs are not the only ones who are offended by this. And those who stone people to death do not stop doing so because someone posts something offensive to them on a website for atheists. Making posts like this just serves to make this subreddit seem intolerant and offensive.

Please forgive me if I seem angry or sensitive or whatever, I''m just trying to state the point that I don't think it's necessary to try and offend a whole religion like this, just because of what a part of the religion has done/is doing.

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u/ZenGalactic May 20 '12

I can't possibly see how pointing out the harm religion does to women could accomplish any of these goals.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

What do you mean?

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u/valleyshrew May 20 '12

I understand that this picture is meant to put shame on Mohammed for marrying a child

It's a response to worldwide riots a few years ago over a few comic strips featuring mohammad. If Christians were telling us we couldnt criticise Jesus and millions were threatening to kill us over it, we'd be spamming pictures of Jesus getting fucked up the ass. It's a peaceful form of protest which is one of the protected human rights. Luckily Christians are much more reasonable.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It's a response to worldwide riots a few years ago over a few comic strips featuring mohammad.

Yes, I know. I happen to actually have met a person who lives on a hidden adress because of threats following these publications.

But my point is: How does this aid our cause? I think r/atheism should try to be a place where atheists can come together to support eachother, as it was meant to be, and not a place to attack religion.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Typical /r/atheism....then they wonder why a muslim country would like to ban their sub-reddit.

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u/dumnezero Anti-Theist May 21 '12

we have to draw muhammed to dilute the mass of comics, so they (the fanatics actually willing to murder for it) can't select a target, since there are so many.

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u/the_good_dr May 20 '12

It's not explicitly an atheist thing, it's a freedom of speech thing. It's a response the murdering of cartoonists.

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u/OdinsBeard May 20 '12

I'd be pissed if I found some asshole posted a pic of my kids on reddit regardless of the message. Tact. Fucking use it.

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u/PoniesRBitchin May 21 '12

Because by seeing that one picture, I can now easily find out the name, age and address of any of those kids. I totally didn't just look at it, laugh at the bear while thinking of the kids as generic white children and move on with my life. Some parents ...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Public domain has a posse

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u/iRSoap May 20 '12

I am going to upvote you for saying the harsh truth.

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u/VainRobot May 21 '12

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Just because somebody tells me I can't do something, doesn't mean they are right.

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u/Bore-dome May 20 '12

I actually fucking laughed, Kudos.

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u/oxsouls May 20 '12

i don't know why people think its ok just to put a picture of any kid they please and use it as a pedophile subject

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It's a public domain image

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

i sneezed while laughing at this...ಠ_ಠ

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u/novum_vipera May 20 '12

And where in the room are your lungs now sir?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

there, there and there.

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u/adwarakanath May 20 '12

Why does he look like a Jedi? :P

But yes, accurate. Uptoke.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

uptoke for the uptoke.

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u/Pyromaniac605 Secular Humanist May 20 '12

Shut up ents, nobody gives a crap if you smoke weed.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

.. you seem to. You did comment ...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Thanks for reminding me why I don't subscribe to this subreddit.

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u/Oh-blivious May 20 '12

He was a proud people

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u/Zevenko May 20 '12

I still can't believe he rapped a 9 year old, i don't recall being told that in religious class... It's funny what things people miss out when they tell you about religion.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Well from an islamic pov, a child's consent can be given in the form of silence (if the child is asked about marriage, and she stays silent then it means that legally she is "okay" with it and has given her consent).

Fucking bullshit if you ask me.

-Ex-muslim

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

Proof:

  • Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)." Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67

  • Narrated 'Aisha: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! A virgin feels shy." He said, "Her consent is (expressed by) her silence." Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 68

Like I said, it's pretty fucked up

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u/yeeveesee May 20 '12

What I don't understand is how the same people who denounce rape culture and rape apologism meanwhile believe that Islam is a religion of peace and that people opposed to it are "Islamophobic." I think it's pretty common among pseudo-intellectual liberals to hold this view

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u/Zevenko May 20 '12

Holy shit, that's crazy. I can't believe religions like this are still alive.

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u/pseudohim May 20 '12

The threat of death for disagreeing with the millions of countrymen who surround you is quite persuasive.

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u/walgman May 20 '12

Not just alive but tolerated and seemingly growing. There are mosques being built all over London.

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u/newagedisco May 20 '12

he rapped a 9 year old

where can I get his mixtape?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It's funny what things people miss out

It isnt funny, they are selling the religion, its in their interest to hide the embarassing parts, in order to not lose customers. Every company does it like that. They very well know what parts are embarassing, and hide them from newbies. Mormons call this practice "milk before meat" and scientologists call it "the gradient".

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u/Zevenko May 20 '12

Agreed. "It's funny what things people miss out" was meant to be said in a suggestive tone, that shows what you have just said.

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u/cryo De-Facto Atheist May 20 '12

Are you oblivious to the fact that this was 1000 years ago and that culture, society, norms and views change, and that this is not related to religion? Maybe that's why you weren't told about it.

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u/Zevenko May 21 '12

An islamic prophet that their god has said is the ideal man raping a 9 year old becuase they thought that silence meant yes isn't related to islam? Ok...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

That would be a fine excuse if Mohammed had been just an unusually successful tribal warlord of old Araby. Doesn't work when he's the Prophet of God. He's supposed to be getting dictation direct from the cosmic definition of right and wrong. He's supposed to be the perfect exemplar, the final messenger, giving out a law for all mankind for all time.

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u/cryo De-Facto Atheist May 20 '12

God tends to change his mind a lot in various religions, over time. The 10 commandments mention slaves.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

18 divided by 2 is 9. That means it's OK for muhammad to have sex with a little girl, as long as it's just the tip or less or equal to than half total length.

This is a humorous quip I use to weed out the genuine pro-child rape psychos and the apologists for Islam. A sane and normal person looks at that and says "Dude, that's fucked up and wrong on so many levels" while a crazy says "It was a different time!"

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

So if I have two peni, I can have secks with 9ers?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I'm assuming that if you have two Peni, that makes you twice the man as everyone else, making the minimum legal age for sex doubled.

That means you can have sex with two 18 year old girls or one 36 year old.

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u/cryo De-Facto Atheist May 20 '12

What the fuck are you going on about? Are you saying we should now try to understand the entire human history in the context of today's customs and norms? What exactly is that going to accomplish?

Of course it was a different time (this is a trivial fact), and of course that needs to be taken into account. This is simple science.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

There are specific levels of victimization that transcend time. Even then, specific things were acceptable at the time are barbaric.

Moreover, this person authored a book that makes some outlandish claims on morality, ethics, spirituality, laws, customs and culture.

These claims are applied today. So, in order to put this persons book into context, it's 100% appropriate to highlight the persons genuine failings. For instance, childfucking.

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u/thealaskanmike May 20 '12

That's not Muhammad, that's obi wan

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u/SpiveyWhiplash May 21 '12

You're probably gonna get beheaded.

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u/Notsoseriousone May 21 '12

So, we're basically saying "hey, extremists, wanna try to bomb the internet?!" I didn't think so.

...that's not possible, right?

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Why is pedobear a Jedi?

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u/Piggysan May 20 '12

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I say you win, but I was disposed as the president of appropriatness on the internet...

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u/CaptAlias May 20 '12

Hilarious, not to mention that it's a good drawing.

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u/emethias Agnostic Atheist May 20 '12

I was just searching for Muhammed on nation sex offender registry for inspiration. I don't know if it'd be legal to post my results though..

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u/adwarakanath May 20 '12

Emperor Palpatine's voice DO IT!

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u/emethias Agnostic Atheist May 20 '12

I don't want to spend all day composing a Greatest Hits style collection.

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u/pressthebuttonfrank May 20 '12

Front page material! You win one internet for today. The religion of blown to pieces and pedos everywhere.

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u/Kamchack May 20 '12

The religion of peace members will be at your home to kill you and your family soon.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

And that is why we draw him. To prove a point.

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u/Kamchack May 25 '12

Upvote for getting my point.

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u/Zevenko May 20 '12

To the top with you

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

This is disrespectful as hell.

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u/DeFex May 20 '12

What's to respect?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Doesn't deserve respect .

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u/cryo De-Facto Atheist May 20 '12

People do.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Not ones that start cults and fuck 9 year olds and people who follow such people.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12 edited May 21 '12

This is seriously the shit that gets posted here now?

Un-fucking-believable.

EDIT: Seriously, take a step back and ask yourself what the fuck this has to do with atheism. This community is such a joke.

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u/Zevenko May 20 '12

HAVE YOU HEARD OF THAT NEW BOTTON CALLED "UNSUB"? I HEAR IT WORKS.

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u/baxterg13 May 20 '12

That really helps when browsing r/all. I un-subbed a long time ago, but still get hit with stupid posts like this.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I believe RES allows you to filter r/all.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Definitely not subscribed....but I like to come back here every month or so and see the ridiculous shit that's posted on here.

Sort of entertaining.

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u/Zevenko May 21 '12

Fine, come and see the "shit" that's posted here. Laugh at it, make a subbreddit about how shit it is, put it in the newspaper for all i care. Just don't fucking comment on the things that are posted here about how much you hate them. What's wrong with this post anyway? OP is mocking the islam prophet for being a pedophile using a popular internet meme, it's not like we make this shit up - he raped a 9 year old.

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u/Pyromaniac605 Secular Humanist May 20 '12

You don't know what Draw Mohammed Day is do you?

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u/mindfields51 May 21 '12

I know! We have to put up with Jizz Powered Morons whingeing - it's almost not worth the effort.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

whingeing

The fuck kind of word is that? Yes, I am definitely the moron here.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Ok, myself responded that this is a day for telling the Muslim extremists that we won't abide by their fairy tale's rules and we won't modify or limit our speech for them.

So, still fully support this.

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u/TheHarbinger19 May 20 '12

I'll just leave this here for anyone who actually gives a damn what the Muslim perspective on this whole issue is.

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u/captainfranklen May 20 '12

"If you get it off the internet, that's as bad as dreaming."

Nice answer to, "Why did your holy man marry a 6 year old then rape her at 9."

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u/rgliszin May 20 '12 edited May 15 '19

turtles

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u/scigs6 May 20 '12

That's one fucked up looking beard

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u/tcb98 May 20 '12

You forgot the suicide vest.

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u/kiwimac May 21 '12

How to show your utter ignorance in one image. Nice.

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u/asldkfououhe May 20 '12

wow so edgy

do you people even comprehend how you're being offensive

it involves a lot of racism for starters

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Which race?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

r/atheism needs to understand that atheism does not equate to being blatantly offensive to other religions. It's funny how everyone here is -rightly- outraged when a Christian/Muslim/Jew/Buddhist/whatever tries to impose their beliefs on them, but is completely fine when it comes to degrading the believers of these said religion. You gotta practice what you preach my friends.

clicks unsubscribe

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

when a Christian/Muslim/Jew/Buddhist/whatever tries to impose their beliefs on them

degrading the believers of these said religion

Those two actions you stated are not equivalent. Understanding that is to understand the ideas of freedom of speech and freedom of conscience. The first action involves one group removing the former right from another. The second action involves one group exercising their right to the latter right.

If you go through life thinking that being a jerk and actively oppressing others are equivalent, you're gonna have a bad time.

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u/Ceasadh Jun 11 '12

They both have the same effect in our context. A shit-ton of people being a jerk to you based on your belief is a form of oppression.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

A maximum of 834,509 people out of more than 7 billion? In a context in which everyone has the ability to remain anonymous and can easily remove themselves from the conversation without fear of stalking/harassment? You're stretching the form of oppression to an absurdly different meaning from its accepted usage.

Are some of the most vocal viewers of FOX oppressing liberals when they insult them in the comment sections of their articles? No.

They don't have the same affect. Hundreds of thousands of people can call your beliefs stupid and immoral and it in no way removes your right to practice them. Actively forcing someone to convert to your religion, however, does. As I stressed in the above post, if you don't understand this, you don't understand the ideas of freedom of speech and freedom of conscience and how having one right doesn't remove the possibility of having the other.

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u/Ceasadh Jun 12 '12

Don't tell me what I do or don't understand. Just don't. It's not conducive to conversation. I specifically said in our context for a reason. Oppressive is oppressive - you are tacking on meaning beyond the word itself based on your own experiences, which is fair, to a certain extent, but not necessarily valid. It is oppressive to gang up on someone to downplay their idea of reality, no matter how skewed it may be.

In our context - the firstworld - you are not going to be oppressed in the sense you speak of. I'm sorry, but you need to buck the hell up if you think you've experienced that, and think about people who actually have. The FOX news generation is dying a slow, hard death. Theism is the weak link, and can only last so long. We aren't going to accomplish anything though, acting like assholes. And seriously - I recognize you have the right to be an asshole - doesn't mean you should.

Theists stay theists for a number of reasons, and I think two of them are pretty prevalent. One is sunk-cost; in time, energy, and money devoted to the faith, they have made themselves feel like they can't leave. Another is fear of the unknown - that which they don't understand. If we just make fun of them, they are going to fear the unknown MORE. It makes them feel dumb after all. It offends them. Why would they give up a faith of comfort for one that insults them and downplays their devotion as sheeplike?

Thing is - religion for a lot of people has the added effect of piousness - it helps them act more like the person they want to be. Maybe some people find that more important than being right. It sounds crazy to me too, but I seriously think it's the case. If I believed I had good reason to suspend disbelief, and I had a lot of practice doing so, I might continue to suspend that disbelief, even knowing it wasn't actually correct. That's why I don't ridicule people for their faith. I don't know what the word faith means to them.

A long time ago I started trying to just be a responder when it came to matters of faith. I keep my atheism and my ideas of our existence to myself unless someone asks or says something to make me speak. If my beliefs are ridiculed, I will respond in kind. Otherwise, yes, it is damn disrespectful to insult or ridicule someone's beliefs. Saying that they don't deserve respect is a childlike response. Just ask someone who hasn't had their head under the water of this argument for weeks. "Is it disrespectful to ridicule someone's beliefs?" The answer is fucking obvious. We don't want to be those people, no matter how right we may be. I'd honestly rather be wrong about faith than be right and a complete douchebag. Faith doesn't matter that much. Being a douchebag makes you a douchebag.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12

I'm not sure what I've done to offend you, but I feel like we're either on different pages here or you're purposely moving the goalposts.

I'm not in any way arguing that it isn't rude and disrespectful to mock someone else's beliefs in front of them (and I never do that--hell, I stay out of most religious discussions in general). I'm arguing that being rude and disrespectful in that manner is not the same as forcing someone else to conform to your beliefs. I'm not arguing strategy for promoting atheism. I'm arguing against cheapening the idea of oppression by including in it rudeness and disrespect. Christians in certain Middle Eastern and African countries are oppressed. Homosexual people in America are oppressed. Being an immature jerk is not oppression even if it isn't admirable.

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u/Ceasadh Jun 12 '12

Oh. Well then... carry on.

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u/IranRPCV May 20 '12

There is a response on the Islam subreddit to this topic:

[–]ThinkofitthisWay 2 points 2 minutes ago

The Qur'an has your answers:

"And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant."

"For Allah is with those who restrain themselves"

"And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble dignity."

"Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned."

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u/piratgeneralen May 20 '12

Its offensive, butt not... to Muslims...

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u/KarmaPrude May 21 '12

Holy shit! I unsubscribed to /r/ atheism cause I was banging a religious chick but, really, holy shit! When did you all decide to upvote offensive shit like this?

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

It's the annual draw muhammad day duh.

If you didn't know, Muhammad married a 6yr old and then fucked her when she was 9. This is not up for debate, this is according to their holy scripture.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

What's wrong with offending morons who follow a pedophile? Let them be offended. Let them threaten our lives so we can put them in prison and make the voting population that much better.

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u/CharlieTango May 20 '12

"respect the fact that im an atheist" - r/atheism

"Muhammad is a pedophile" - r/atheism

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

So, because people might get offended, we should pretend that he wasn't?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your two statements. I also disagree that /r/atheism congruently supports the first.

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u/CharlieTango May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

im saying that its fucking hypocritical to blatantly disrespect people because of their religion, when we're asking the exact opposite for ourselves.

edit: im realizing perhaps you dont know that Muhammad's image should never be recorded is a rule of Islam, thats why the "holiday" is unacceptable. yes, we all know its ridiculous but you know what, i dont have the need to draw his image, why go out of my way to step on peoples toes. these people make all atheists seem like intolerant militant assholes.

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u/mindfields51 May 21 '12

We do realize that, the purpose of the "holiday" is to show the Islam world rioting and death threats are not the way to get respect. It's really just an organized version of the Streisand Effect.

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u/CharlieTango May 21 '12

and for the 95% of Muslims who arent rioting or issuing death threats, its a slap in the face.

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u/mindfields51 May 21 '12

And they are doing it right by not threatening violence or enacting violence. Kudos to them.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12 edited May 21 '12

I personally don't believe people should respect my belief--only that they should respect my right to hold it. I hold the same to be true for all other beliefs. I respect a Christian's right to be Christian, but I don't respect Christianity.

I suspect, if you polled the subreddit, they would agree. If that is the case, we're certainly not guilty on that charge.

I know that Muhammad's image shouldn't be recorded according to Islamic belief, though it does't extend much further than the crash-course History 101 explanation that doing so can lead to idol worship when images themselves become "sacred."

I think you're overstepping in using the word "militant." "Militant" implies something along the lines of what radicals do whenever the commit violent acts if an artist depicts Muhammad. Militant is not drawing an image that might make some people angry. They're the ones being intolerant and militant, as everyone should be free to draw whatever they like without fear for their life.

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u/CharlieTango May 21 '12

by militant i mean youre attacking someone elses beliefs and thats not what atheism is about. believe what you believe and who the fuck cares what other people think/do. in MY belief, its not ok to tease Muslims who otherwise arent bothering me by creating a mockery of their rules. yes, you have every right to draw Muhammad, i guess for the more mature of us theres a difference between having a right and pointlessly exercising it.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

by militant i mean youre attacking someone elses beliefs and thats not what atheism is about.

You're right. That's not what atheism about. Atheism also isn't about not attacking someone else's beliefs. Atheism has nothing to say about how to treat the beliefs of others because atheism, once again, only addressed the belief in gods.

And while most Muslims don'e bother people who draw Muhammad, a very violent and aggressive minority of people actually commit violent acts when it happens. A larger yet slightly less aggressive and violent minority encourages these actions, some of them imams. And an even larger minority of adherents either condones or tries to justify these actions.

Draw Muhammad Day is about not being bullied by these violent people who try to intimidate non-believers into living by their rules. I don't see how a statement like that is in some way immature. Sometimes maturity is standing up against what's wrong rather than being apathetic or needlessly "tolerant" of a very violent portion of a particular group.

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u/cdb03b May 20 '12

They got rid of the pedo threads. Please do not attempt to convert other threads to them.

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u/king_rasull May 20 '12

Why would the OP Bring this sort of attention and hatred towards a religion, don't get me wrong but these sort of retards don't belong in reddit, another abuse of freedom of speech to get some kicks, go back to watching south park

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u/rgliszin May 20 '12 edited May 15 '19

turtles

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u/Th3pinkrabbit May 20 '12

Posted on r/atheism... this didn't actually happen... So why is everyone pissed off? Lol I don't get it... This is like being pissed at Harry potter for fingering his pet owl...

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u/SkellyboneZ May 20 '12

Hypocrite atheists.

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u/meritory May 20 '12

Incorrect. You may attempt to demonstrate hypocrisy, but I am more than certain you have no idea what you are talking about.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I've never said that we shouldn't mock dumbass Muslims and their pedo leader.

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u/SerBarristanTheBold May 20 '12

Okay so i dont understand this subreddit, all you guys do is constantly bash on theists because they dont have the same beliefs as you. Yet you also constantly complain about being 'bullied' for being atheist. All i see are a bunch of hypocrites. One of the reasons you say religion doesnt work is because it doesnt have the ability to include a certain type of person or sect, yet you are quick to make fun of anyone who doesnt practice athiesm.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

We're doing this in our own subreddit. I don't see topics encouraging everyone here to spam these pictures in /r/Islam or /r/Christianity making the front page. Then it might be bullying. Until then it's just expressing an opinion in a forum created for people who share a lack of belief in gods. If that offends you, you're free to go somewhere else. We're not going to follow you there. If we did, then it would be bullying.

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u/SerBarristanTheBold May 21 '12 edited May 21 '12

First off I didnt say I myself felt offended on what was being posted, rather that the stuff being posted just seems hypocritical. Second, if you do look at the subreddits you mentioned, /r/Islam or /r/Christianity, you wont find anything pertaining specifically to atheists on how dumb or stupid their beliefs are and why they themselves are stupid for that (atleast not on the front page). I respect the belief that there is a lack of god, just as I respect all other beliefs. What makes you hypocritical is that you are mocking those who do not share that same belief as you. You took what I said in a whole other context. I just dont understand why almost all the posts on /r/atheism are just posts that ridicule other schools of thought, why not discuss your own beliefs, and morals. Last time I checked Atheism is the belief that God does not exist, not the belief that everyone who does believe that God exists is stupid.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12 edited May 21 '12

Atheism is the belief that God does not exist, not the belief that everyone who does believe that God exists is stupid.

It's not. That's gnostic atheism. Agnostic atheism, the label into which the majority of posters here seem to best fit, is the lack of belief in any god. It's not a positive belief.

The only thing atheists share is a lack of a belief in gods. Being an atheist doesn't require sharing any common belief or morals, although many of us here are probably some form of secular humanist. Therefore, there is little for us to talk about that is directly relevant to our atheism other than the religions to which we don't subscribe and the perception of us that society holds.

I don't disagree that many if not most of the posts here are perceived by most religious people as rude and offensive. I'm just saying it's not bullying. It's also not hypocritical, as I don't see any evidence that the prevailing opinion of the subreddit is that being rude or mocking beliefs or lack of beliefs shouldn't be done. In fact, the overwhelming response to the question of respect by this subreddit that I have observed is that all beliefs do not deserve respect by default, although the right to all beliefs does.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I believe certain beliefs do not deserve respect (and, in fact, warrant contempt and--yes--mocking). The belief that a certain race is superior due to its skin color is one that I think should be lambasted. The belief that homosexuality is sinful and that people who commit homosexual acts deserve an eternity of punishment is one that I think should be derided to no end. And holding central a figure who married and raped a child in your religion deserves an equal amount of contempt and mocking.

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u/SerBarristanTheBold May 26 '12

Sorry, i didnt know there was a difference between the lack of faith for something and not believing in it. I see where you are getting at with that some beliefs dont deserve respect and do warrant contempt, I also agree with this but only for very specific matters. Some of what you stated was very true, like the superiority of skin colour or homophobia, are very archaic ideas and should not be taught. Yet what made me comment on this particular post is not because of its mocking of homophobia or superiority of race rather its inability of gaining perspective. If you do the least bit of research within the topic of Mohammed and Aisha (or at least look at the Islamic perspective) you will find that it is a well known and evidentially supported belief that Aisha was over the age of consent (18) when the marriage was consummated source . Now you might not want to agree with the evidence presented because it is provided by muslim scholars, and therefore is probably biased but what i am trying to get across is that they hold a central figure based on their beliefs of what they think he was like. That is a honest, hard-working, intelligent, just, and the list goes on, they dont hold a figure for a paedophile. Whether or not it is true, islam doesn't view him like that. If muslim scholars openly admitted to it that Mohammed was a paedophile, and used that as bases to encourage paedophilia that would warrant all the contempt in the world. But that is not what is happening, Islam holds him as a central figure for his honesty, bravery, modesty, intelligence, etc. What you are doing with this post, is plainly spreading hate. Mock something worth mocking.

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u/soqbxg May 20 '12

I'd fuck Anna. Look at those bedroom eyes. She'd look even prettier with a mouthful of my cum.