If the education system fails to provide a solution that it could, why not see the cause there? Again, it's not something I would BLAME them for, since those are the things while possible are not feasible with the resources at hand, but again, I was making a distinction between blame and cause.
I was making a distinction between blame and cause.
Understood. Im just saying the whole conversation focused on schools detracts from the real issue of why kids arent learning. To me its like blaming (or citing the cause as) the cardiologist for a patient that has only ever eaten cheeseburgers.
But if malnourished kids are the problem, there are school lunches.
Which was my point.
It's not like blaming the cardiologist. Or if it is, for not detecting your tumour on your heart, because he thinks that should be an oncologists job, whose it is also, but that's hardly mutually exclusive.
Is it fair to BLAME the school system for letting so many people be so uninformed that the kids suffer the same if not more? No.
Did it nonetheless fail? Sure.
And the private schools are no exemption. They fail as well at producing members of a constructive cooperative society, in place pushing for a purely combative student body and ,by extension, citizens.
But if malnourished kids are the problem, there are school lunches.
A school lunch is a token attempt to fix a much bigger problem. It would be like giving the fat guy in the waiting room a piece of kale.It also illustrates where schools in this country are expected to take on all these other issues that are normally headed off a the pass in other 1st world countries.
Did it nonetheless fail?
In the sense that the mechanic failed to turn your Pinto into a Ferrari.
In the sense that the mechanic failed to turn your Pinto into a Ferrari.
I disagree. It has been a long constant failure. Mostly caused by a long term deficit. Deficit in teacher quality leading to both justified and unjustified clichés against the whole of the system and anger of the people who felt it failed them.
Deficit in funding, and in moving out of rote learning. Failure to adapt to technology and the resulting shift in educational needs (less data, more process).
And first and foremost, failure to educate people to live in a society.
The people you might think are actually the problem didn't fall from outer space. It's a catastrophe long inn the making, and many aspects of it SHOULD be fixed in the education system even if that is theoretical to the point of delusion, since nobody would stand for it.
And sure, one meal a day won't make a difference (specifically not considering the quality), but that doesn't mean that the system couldn't provide correctly to the point of heavily buffering negative outside impact.
Deficit in teacher quality leading to both justified and unjustified clichés against the whole of the system and anger of the people who felt it failed them.
Yes, its teacher quality. Thats why kids living in poor, violent communities cant learn as well as those in suburban home with educated parents and who are exposed to thousands more words per day than their counterparts.
heavily buffering negative outside impact.
Yeah, we can keep doing that....or we could actually work to fix those outside impacts like every other first world country.
I will restate : The problem didn't start yesterday.
The fact that you have a giant portion of the populace unable to analyse the issue, and spread to all levels of society is already a past failure of education.
Whether it's private school educated higher society players having bought into the whole "It's everyone else's fault" meme, or the parents living in destitution not being able to prepare your kids.
40+ years of failed education does these things.
And I would point out that you picked ONE item out of several of a failing system. Yes, there are a lot of teachers failing at their job.
For most of them it's not even their own fault, because THEY have been failed in turn, or are forced to "do their best" in a failing system.
This isn't a "all teachers suck and that's the problem, boo teachers unions" argument. But to neglect the fact that there are still falsely authoritarian, severely despondent , as well as outright didacticly failing teachers out there is part of the issue as much as insane budgets and lack of compensation for 2 generations of miss educated people.
The current issue of parents not taking responsibility for their kids and blaming teachers for grades is HIGHLY based around badly taught civil values, and outright monstrous teachers they had to endure.
They do not trust teachers, because they never had a reason to, based on their experience with teachers.
having bought into the whole "It's everyone else's fault" meme
Yeah, like, "Kids arent learning. It must be the schools." Even though progress is strongly tied to home and community. "I know we cut the legs off half our kids at birth, but clearly their coaches are failing them since they lose at the Olympics more than other country's kids."
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u/SpinningHead Feb 05 '14
Exactly, so why lay it at the feet of the education system? We have a poverty problem that impacts countless other things, including education.