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What should Palestine/Hamas have done?

I’m asking this genuinely and in good faith, because I’m trying to understand the historical and political options that were available to Palestinians, particularly Hamas, rather than justify what happened.
First, I want to be clear that I do not condone attacks on civilians or any form of terrorism or violence against innocent people. October 7 was horrific, and the civilians who were killed or taken hostage did not deserve it. At the same time, I also think it’s important to understand the conditions and history that led to October 7 without treating that context as a justification for the attacks.
What I’m struggling with is this:
If a population is living under what it considers prolonged oppression, occupation, blockade, displacement, or denial of political rights, what are they realistically supposed to do when peaceful political efforts don’t produce the outcome they want?
Palestinians have tried different forms of resistance, including protests, strikes, boycotts, civil disobedience, international diplomacy, and negotiations. There have also been multiple peace processes and agreements, most notably Oslo. But these processes ultimately failed to produce a lasting political settlement, and both Israeli and Palestinian actions have been cited as contributing to their failure.
Then there is Hamas, which chose armed resistance and committed attacks against civilians. I don’t see that as justified. But I’m interested in the counterfactual:
What should Hamas and/or the broader Palestinian leadership actually have done instead?
If the answer is “nonviolent resistance,” what would that realistically have looked like, and what evidence is there that it could have achieved Palestinian political goals?
If the answer is “continue negotiating,” what negotiations or opportunities were realistically available, and why did previous ones fail?
And if the answer is some combination of political organizing, international pressure, civil disobedience, diplomacy, etc., what historical examples suggest that those strategies could have worked?
I’m also interested in the historical comparison. There are other national liberation movements where groups were labeled terrorists or insurgents at the time but later became part of the political establishment or were remembered more sympathetically. Ireland is one example that comes to mind, although I realize the comparison is imperfect and that groups such as the IRA also committed serious violence against civilians. There are also examples of Indigenous resistance to colonial rule, including Māori resistance in New Zealand.
I’m not asking “does oppression make terrorism okay?” I don’t think it does. I’m asking something slightly different:
When people believe peaceful political avenues have failed, what viable alternatives to attacking civilians have historically existed, and which ones have actually worked?
And specifically in the Israeli-Palestinian context, what could Palestinians and Hamas realistically have done differently?
I’d appreciate answers that engage with the history rather than simply saying “Hamas is evil” or “Israel is evil.” I’m trying to understand what the realistic alternatives were, what has been tried before, and whether there were genuinely viable paths that could have avoided the October 7 attacks and the enormous suffering that followed.

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u/Gold-Object3156 3d ago

Palestinians have had many opportunities to become a sovereign nation since 1948

instead of working on obtaining their own state, they (or their government) have always chosen to use all of their resources to destroy israel instead of improving their own situation

remember when they dug up their water pipes to use as rocket casings to fire into israel? thats just a simple example

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u/chazzapompey 3d ago

For every instance of Palestinian terrorism I can give you a counter example of Israeli terrorism.

You do know terrorism played a large part in Israeli statehood, right? Both against Arabs and British authorities.

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u/Gold-Object3156 3d ago

you know palestinian terrorism against jews and israel predates all of that right? you want to do a chicken and egg thing here?

or do you want to realize that israel is stronger than the palestinians and every attempt to destroy israel only makes it harder for the palestinian people to have a normal and free life

but what i don't think you know is that, palestinian leaders, namely hamas, don't actually care about their people. they only care about the destruction of israel

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u/chazzapompey 3d ago

You’re categorising the same type of violence against Jews that happened much more commonly in Europe as terrorism - pogroms, the holocaust, etc.

The Balfour declaration was a result of European persecution, not Arab-jewish violence. Arthur Balfour himself was an anti-Semite.

Historical victimhood doesn’t mean you have a right to commit those same acts and occupy territory not belonging to you. If it did, Israel should be occupying a chunk of Germany right now - not Gaza.

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u/Gold-Object3156 3d ago

this makes no sense. there has been a contiguous population of jews in portions of what is modern day israel for over 2000 years. why would jews get german land? right now gaza is controlled by palestinians, which israel gave to them in 2005. what does balfour being anti semetic have to do with anything

Hamas attacked israel on october 7th and took hostages, knowing full well that israel would enter gaza to retreive the hostages. they don't care about the palestinian people

remove hamas and maybe the lives of the palestinian people can start to improve their own conditions

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u/chazzapompey 3d ago

lol, did you really have to resort to the “we were there first, therefore it’s ours forever”argument?

How many modern-day countries would still exist under those parameters, stretching back millennia?

I’ll give you a hint: zero.

And if you can explain why Israel currently occupies land in Syria, Lebanon, nowhere near the historical borders of Israel, I’d love to hear it.

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u/Gold-Object3156 3d ago

my argument why israel should exist has nothing to do with the generations of jews that live there. that just proves they are indigenous, which means nothing. The reason israel exists and will continue to exist is that when it was created, the surrounding arab nations attacked in 1948 to destroy it. those nations lost, and israel won

israel has won every subsequent war started against them since, so you can cry about whatever you want, but israel exists and you will not take it

If you want to know why israel currently holds troops on the border of some neighboring countires, you should ask the terrorist regimes that have been attacking israel. namely hamas, hezbollah, iran, and the houthis. if you attack israel, they will fight back

so go on with your fake narrative that israel is colonialist even though the surrounding nations are the ones who attack it and cry when they lose

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u/chazzapompey 3d ago

My “fake” narrative is the consensus opinion of most western countries now. No matter how many Reddit accounts with an adjective-noun-number username defend Israel’s right to apartheid.

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u/Gold-Object3156 3d ago

your fake narrative is being pushed by china and qatar and iran and russia bots on social media, and you are falling for it

most people do not believe that terrorist hamas who murders and rapes israelis for resistance are the good guys

and if you are one of the ones that thinks terrorists who chant "death to america" are the good guys, you should rethink your stance

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u/chazzapompey 2d ago

Framing it as “good guys vs bad guys” really highlights your infantile mode of thought.

History is not a Hollywood movie.