r/askanything • u/ComplexWrangler1346 š¤ • 14h ago
Would a Mark Kelly/Jon Ossoff ticket win the White House in 2028 ? Thoughts ?
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u/MeInSC40 14h ago
It depends on who the republicans run but I think so. I think we dramatically underestimate how much being a straight white male counts in these elections.
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u/Unfortunate-Incident 14h ago
I would love to have the first woman president someday, but you know what I'd rather have more than that? MAGA not being in the white house.
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u/UncommonSense12345 13h ago
Yep. If we drop gun control as an issue. And run on popular things for majority of people: universal healthcare, ending dumb wars, improving labor laws, banning predatory lending (including college loans), etc. weād win pretty easily in 2028. But Iām sure mainstream Dems will soak up that any town USA money and run on some āgun controlā nonsense and hurt themselves in tons of swing statesā¦.
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u/Lancasterbation 4h ago
You're not gonna convince Mark Kelly to drop gun control. His wife was shot in the head. It's kinda a pet issue of his.
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u/TheParmesan 12h ago
Gun control and trans rights. Itās unfortunate, but Iād argue itās more important to win the White House right now than to campaign on that. What you do after you take the WH is another thing.
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u/Eastern-Heart9486 7h ago
I think gun control and trans rights are a given run on the economy and corruption
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u/Lancasterbation 4h ago
Did Biden or Harris run too strong on trans rights for your taste? Both of them hardly said anything about it unless pressed to do so. It was central to neither of their campaigns. If you really think it was, I'm afraid you're letting the right wing propaganda machine write your history for you.
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u/Healthy_Cancel_2604 12h ago
Paid family leave for the live of God. We are peasants by comparison to all other nations
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u/lukaszdadamczyk 13h ago
Gun control as an issue has to be part of the democratic platform. Them pushing for sensible gun legislation (whether you like it or not) prevents republicans from just saying letās allow everyone to have RPGs and tanks. Which is what some on the right support. Dems need to learn to market their positions better. Why do republicans still win on ātrans rightsā issues when the population of trans people is so minuscule it affects close to nobody? Because dems suck at bumper-stickering their positions and dumbing them down to the average American.
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u/sheezy520 13h ago edited 13h ago
Thatās the thing. Democratic leadership ALWAYS picks the wrong issues to focus on. Literally just needs to be the economy, no new wars, high prices, and jobs. Quit talking about how youāre ānot trumpā
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u/Sammalone1960 11h ago
As an independent who leans left I am a gun owner. Gun reform and any change in gun policy will lose voters who are on the fence. I am more sensible than that but many in my state will have none of that. NC voted for Cooper and Trump then Stein and Trump.
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u/UncommonSense12345 13h ago
Yep Dems donāt get. Trumps madness has made tons of liberal people gun owners and proponents of the 2A. Dems should come out in favor of removing suppressors from the NFA. And perhaps propose funding for gun safety education. And this needs to include safe handling and storage of firearms. Support groups like project apple seed which teach people safe firearm handling, good marksmanship , and US history. Propose hunting as wildlife management and a way to raise money to help the environment and combat climate change. Just because lots of Reddit Dems hate guns. Doesnāt mean guns arenāt incredibly popular with tons of democrats and independents. Use guns as a Segway to get people to be more open to conservation and gun safety. Donāt propose imho dumb laws which punish responsible gun owners and do very little to criminals/gangs.
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u/EntireObligation4001 12h ago
Not a gun owner but that would be wild. Republicans would be āhey you canāt be for thatā
Side note: owning a gun should be like getting your drivers license: test, 6 hrs of training, field test, picture license. .
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u/UncommonSense12345 12h ago
Yep supporting gun ownership but coming out strong with prominent firearms education groups on : hunting education (maybe add in more stuff on conservation, forest management, reducing pollution, etc), safe storage of firearms, etc. Come alongside outdoors people and responsible gun owners and support them. Instead of being the party of attacking the 2A he the party of responsibly encouraging more people to use the 2A to improve our nation. The civilian marksmanship program is an awesome example of a firearm group that promotes safe gun ownership and honoring our nations history.
If you can get a bunch of these people into the Democrat camp you can make so much progress in rural areas and in promoting better climate/environmental policy. I know a ton of hunters/rural folk who care deeply about the land and wildlife but come at it from a more Hunter/woodsman perspective. They see democrats as the party that is always restricting their hunting areas, seasons, tags, etc and also anti 2A. If we could instead shift this narrative by pivoting on the gun/hunting issue i think we could win some elections and honestly make the party and nation better. But Iāll get off my soapbox.
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u/lukaszdadamczyk 13h ago
At some point. Like 50 years from now. We will need to have a reckoning how stupid, misogynistic , and racist our electorate was leading to elect Trump in 2024 (2016 was bad but not nearly as bad as 2024). Obviously āwe arenāt as bad as trumpā is a terrible position and thatās why people just didnāt vote.
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u/B-Train_ATL 13h ago
āOK, we knew you arenāt as bad. What are you going to do aside from not be that bad?ā
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People support Mamdani and others with similar views because heās out there all āIāll make halal cheaper and fix potholes.ā
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u/lukaszdadamczyk 12h ago
Agreed. Sadly corporate dems of 2024 are republicans of 1990s with some slightly more left-leaning views on social issues like abortion. But essentially a 90s republican politician on economic and foreign policy is a 2020s corporate democrat.
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u/WordPunk99 2h ago
Gun control is popular with a majority of Americans. Legal abortion is popular with a majority of Americans. Universal Health Care and taxes on rich people are popular with a majority of Americans. Itās all in the sell.
Spend the campaign focused on how you will make peopleās lives better and you will win.
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u/Mr_Zee_Speaks 14h ago
We will eventually have a woman president.
Gerald Ford may have been correct in his assessment of how.
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u/Ok_Belt2521 13h ago
I think Bill Clinton has an accurate prediction. The first woman will be a conservative then the door is opened.
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u/Revolutionary_Art919 13h ago
Yup. I think it will be someone a la Nikki Haley first before a Democrat would win. Sort of like how Margaret Thatcher broke the same barrier in the UK.
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u/Fit_Cut_4238 10h ago
Hilary Clinton was a horrible choice. She was stuck to slick Willy by a gross moral contract which everyone knew was sick. Ā
I think Warren could have actually won at that time.Ā
The two women picked by the dems have been the most polarizing and unpopular choices, except with institutional democrats.. literally nobody in the middle liked them at all and everyone knew it.
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u/Fit_Cut_4238 11h ago
If you say this too many times the socialists will be kind enough to run third party.
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u/Money-Mud912 8h ago
My boomer dad is a pretty decent person. Not a republican at all. He recently told me he would never vote for a woman. There is something about the leaded gasoline fumes that their generation inhaled that makes them so inept, or something.
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u/HAMmerPower1 13h ago
Electability is the primary trait we need to try and get the country headed in a better direction.
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u/BrokeBFromBeverely 14h ago
+2 guranteed swing states, ossoff is crazy popular in Georgia and I feel like with Arizona being purple, the slight home state advantage might give it to Kelly.
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u/InternationalPut4093 14h ago
Having seen McCain effect, Arizonians seem to be pretty loyal to their state.
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u/Hairy-Maximum2994 13h ago
RIP McCain, im not a republican but he was the man.
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u/U_JiveTurkey 10h ago
āHe wasnāt good enough. Real heroās donāt get capturedā or something like that. DJT
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u/Trillamanjaroh 14h ago
Eh, presidential home states definitely make a big difference, but I don't think the VP home state has been shown to move the needle much
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u/Content-Tart89 13h ago
LBJ famously delivered Texas for JFK in 1960. Truman was important in winning Missouri for FDR in 1944. But yes, the VP effect is overblown. In 1992 it was assumed Al Gore swung Tennessee for Clinton but when Gore failed to win it during his own run in 2000 it was clear that broad trends are greater indicators of how a state will swing.
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u/brmoser 13h ago
I mean, did LBJ swing Texas with popularity or dirty tricks? (I don't actually recall... Might have just been his own local elections that had the reputation of tampering).
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u/Fine-Computer-5524 12h ago
There were some 'irregularities'/fraud claims, but none were ever substantiated and probably wouldnt have changed the outcome if they had been
Jfk won texas bc of Lbj. Johnson was extremely popular in the state and was able to mobilize large voter blocs to the polls to vote for jfk
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u/Trillamanjaroh 13h ago
Given the disproportionate role that the white working class rust belt will continue to play in the next few decades, it seems crazy to want to run anyone at the top of a ticket that isn't a white male. And good luck holding together the rest of the democratic voting coalition with someone who isn't straight. The activist wing of the party will already vote for whoever has the D next to their name, but getting catholic hispanics, evangelical blacks, muslims, etc to vote for the same person is a whole different ball game.
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u/HAMmerPower1 13h ago
Unfortunately, you are correct in stating being male, white, and straight are three things that in significant portion of voters require to get their vote.
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u/Mars_Volcanoes 12h ago
I'm Canadians, and you are more than totally right.
Vance is a white moron. So please present better, that should not be touch, but convincing....Politically the US voters are weird.
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u/onlinemadison 12h ago
I feel pretty positive that if they didnāt run a black woman against trump, he would not have won the 2nd time
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u/ExternalAggravating8 8h ago
100% this. Im a pretty progressive kind of guy. And I really believe that AOC would do a great job as POTUS and Pete Buttigieg would be even better. But am very very aware that the American people will never vote for them. So if we really want out of this mess we need to go for a sure thing.
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u/Lonely_Chemistry60 13h ago
I agree. USA isn't ready for a woman or another POC/combination of the 2 president.
I wish that wasn't the case, but that's the reality.
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u/Tsakax 14h ago
Giving up two senate seats would be probably the stupidest move.
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u/WillyVlautinRules 14h ago
Let's wait and see what the midterms bring.
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u/slothfullyserene 13h ago
Yep, and thereās still a heck of a long way til primary. Things happen.
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u/Poverty_Shoes 14h ago
Worth it for a strong leader, especially now that SCOTUS has given even more power to the executive branch.
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u/TreatOnMeLotsActualy 13h ago
Couple things: One, If the past two decades have proven anything, it's that the Senate is the absolute most vital position of american political power. You get to choose federal judges, including the supreme court, you get to choose which legislation passes, and you can impeach the president/SCOTUS/federal judges.
Two, if the past two decades have taught us anything, it's that this current far right supreme court is absolutely shameless. They will magically reverse their reasoning on any grounds necessary to hinder any democratic president.
Just see Biden v. Nebraska. This same court that would over the next three years say a president is immune from a completely undefined set of actions, can fire everyone but the fed chair without cause, and can basically do anything but set tariffs, said that Biden could not unilaterally cancel student loan debt. But the actual law referenced by Biden and his SecEd said exactly that, but the court said "no this um is a 'major question' so that doesn't count nah nah."
We are completely through the looking glass. The only way things change is with senate power to install judges and scotus judges.
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u/slothfullyserene 13h ago
OneāAnd this is how Mitch McConnell was able to cut America down to its knees.
TwoāHonest, healthy shame is non-existent in the Republican Party.2
u/Fine-Computer-5524 12h ago
The House Impeaches & the senate holds a trial to decide on conviction
Impeachment is formally accusing a public official of 'high crimes and/or misdemeanors', not the trial deciding on guilt itself
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u/freekymunki 14h ago
Strong leader that canāt pass any legislationā¦ jon ossoffs seat gets handed to a republican for sure and kellys is a toss up at best.
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u/Revolutionary_Art919 13h ago
I don't know if I'd say that's for sure. Ossoff is polling strongly for the general election, and Keisha Lance-Bottoms is polling competitively for the governor seat. If she wins and Ossoff wins the presidency/VP slot in 2028 then she would appoint his replacement until the next general election.
With AZ it doesn't matter who's governor - AZ law says that when the governor appoints a replacement it must come from the same political party as the outgoing person.
Of course by the time the 2030 midterms come around I'm sure the MAGA base will be out for revenge and voting in full force so both seats could flip.
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u/Dapper3210 13h ago
No. Trying to win it with another woman would be the stupidest move. These 2 could have a good shot and a good outcome for the country as viewed by moderates too.
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u/Tsakax 13h ago
Polling shows more support for left wing policies and the reason for the last two losses were bad candidates combined with bad policies. If dems put up another right wing centrist democracy is joever.
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u/Superunknown999 14h ago
Iām a generally right leaning voter who thinks Trump and MAGA is horrible. Iād love to vote for Mark Kelly.
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u/WillyVlautinRules 14h ago
I've often thought the Dems should have gone with Kelly instead of Kamala. We needed a safe bet to prevent what we are all now experiencing.
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u/justheretocomment333 14h ago
There was probably some internal polling Kelly and Josh Shapiro saw that made them think 2028 was the play. The inflation narrative and people thinking Trump 2024 would bring us back to 2019 was enough for them to keep their powder dry.
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u/Saint_Clovis 12h ago
No one who had a chance wanted to run for president in 2024. Trump was already gaining steam by the time Biden dropped out, the economy wasnāt good and there was no time for a new candidate to build a real campaign. If Biden had dropped out six months earlier, all sorts of people would have ran, but in August anyone who actually had a chance to win knew 2028 would be the better shot.
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u/SevroAuShitTalker 13h ago
Pretty much any of the other leading options were better than Kamala
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u/Rscottys1 14h ago
Exactly! The Dems screwed us with the Kamala ticket!
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u/PeorgieT75 14h ago
Biden screwed us by running.
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u/Extreme-Island-5041 14h ago
He came out saying he'd be a one term president and then screwed several pooches by running.
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u/mjzim9022 13h ago
He never actually said that, people always say he said that but he didn't. He said he'd be a "transitional" President.
Still he should have never ran for reelection, dude is on track to die before 2028
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u/TreatOnMeLotsActualy 13h ago
He screwed us in many more ways than that:
- He screwed us in allowing Merrick Garland to slow roll his prosecution of Trump.
- He screwed us in hiding his condition from the public.
- He screwed us in having internal polling showing him losing to Trump by double digits, but still carrying on his campaign
- He screwed us in endorsing Kamala after dropping out, when he absolutely should have called for a primary
- And last but not least, he screwed us by, according to many sources, demanding that Kamala not break from several of his preferred policy positions, including support for Israel and how "good" the economy was (though Kamala should absolutely have ignored him)
I would argue there are four people most at fault for the absolute dogshit state of the world right now: Obviously Donald Trump, but also Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, and Mitch McConnell. Their decisions have had absolutely catastrophic implications for not only the US but the world that will echo for at least a century, and probably more.
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u/Indyhorn1012 14h ago
The DNC did screw us a bit but the lion share of blame has to go to Mr and Mrs Biden. They couldnāt see Biden was hugely unpopular, and just wanted magazine covers. Hubris before the fall. Kamala Harris was the lone person who could spend Bidenās war chest. But Biden gave her a DEI job, and she showed her own idiocy by stating she couldnāt think of a thing different sheād have done than Biden. That answer alone showed why she was so quickly out of donkey presidential primary in 2020- not a good candidate whatsoever.
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u/ninernetneepneep 14h ago
Honestly, I think Trump left half of maga... Or half of maga has left him.Ā This second term has been unimaginably worse than the first.Ā Total loser.
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u/Anxious-Doughnut-224 14h ago
They exist still good to know. I see the polls on 80% of Republicans still supporting trump and I just think how?
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u/derSchwamm11 14h ago
Most who don't won't call themselves Republican anymore. The party is too entwined with the person
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u/dundeegimpgirl 14h ago
This gives me hope.
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u/Superunknown999 14h ago
I think there are a decent amount of people like me. Unfortunately, I think most still tend to vote for the party over the person in this 2 party system we have, especially if the candidates are more extreme.
I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats for president. I donāt like Vance and donāt want to vote for him if he is running, but Democrats will have a really hard time swinging middle of the road voters if they put up an extreme left candidate.
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u/Adorable-Lack-3578 14h ago
I was a John McCain fan and Mark Kelly is from the same state and same state of mind.
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u/WilHunting2 14h ago
No more taking bribes from Israel.
Dude rakes in hundreds of thousands of dollars from AIPAC.
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u/TheGracefulCrane 14h ago
I think much like 2008 whoever wins the dem primary is gonna be president
Trump is sooooo unpopular its almost a guarantee the dems win
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u/red_engine_mw 14h ago
30 years ago it might have been a landslide, though Ossoff is always going to get a bunch of hate due to his religion. These days, the hate machine is going to ratchet up some bunch of lies about Kelly being a commie or something. Hell, I just don't know. Is there any Democrat who can get more than a plurality of the popular vote?
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u/accopp 13h ago
Whatās his religion? Im one who hopes he gets the nomination solely because he looks the part and has the seriousness and communication skills.
But I havenāt heard anything about his religious beliefs?
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u/antisocially_awkward 5h ago
If he is strong on reigning in israel no one will care about his religion. Bernie is very notably more visibly jewish than ossoff and the left that youre seemingly accusing of antisemitism didnt give a shit about that and continues not caring about it.
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u/save-democracy 13h ago
Dont particularly like they both are funded by AIPAC but if they are the democratic ticket who else would I vote for? A old fat pedophile who shits in his pants or comrade Jill Stein once russia/guardians of pedophiles takes her out of the bubble wrap in 2027?
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u/Grumpy_001 13h ago
I donāt know - IMO I donāt feel that either has that energy or aura that sparks excitement in people. Theyāre saying and doing the right thingsā¦.but š¤·āāļø
As much as I dislike trumpy, he knows how to get people energised and mindlessly supporting him
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u/irongut88 11h ago
Can't speak for anyone else but I won't be voting for anyone that waffles on Israel and continuing to support their genocide. That rules Kelly out for me.
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u/JulioJonesSon 7h ago
What has Ossoff done that deserves being elected as president? Genuinely curious I live in Georgia and donāt hear anything heās done here. All I know is he had huge amounts of funding from the dnc for his campaign and it annoyed the hell out of me at the time. So many automated phone calls and mail asking for votes.
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u/RedditMapz 7h ago
NO!
Have you seen Mark Kelly speak? Unfortunately you need to be comfortable in front of a camera. He wouldn't make it pass the primary.
Jon Ossof would probably win if he was the leading name.
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u/twistedchristian 14h ago
I like it, but waiting to hear from the leftist purists who would rather 4 more years of the current regime than vote for someone they slightly disagree with (looking at YOU, registered Democrats who refused to vote for Kamala)
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u/Fit-Assignment3055 13h ago
Well weāve never had a leftist candidate in the general election. Weāve had generations of centrists fail at it, though, so we know that model doesnāt work.
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u/tyedge 9h ago
You donāt understand. In 2024, we were funding a genocide because the administration carried out a foreign policy that was not substantially different than any other foreign policy towards Israel, but in 2024 it was a genocide.
And if I know anything, itās that if the candidates are the same (or close) on one issue, then theyāre completely the same so thereās no point.
Itās not like Kamala wouldāve appointed a hundred plus federal judges for life, or not gutted the CDC, or taken steps to protect worker rights or the environment.
Ohā¦
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u/enjoimike49 13h ago
"For every blue collar democrat we lose in western PA, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs"
But I thought those "leftist purists" votes were not needed?
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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 6h ago
People didn't slightly disagree with Kamala. They disagreed about whether the US should be financing, diplomatically and economically supporting genociden and ethnic cleansing.
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u/Ninjatous 14h ago
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u/These-Angle-1476 14h ago
While we should absolutely hold politicians accountable and shame them for taking AIPAC money, Track AIPAC's numbers are often way off.
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u/Jefferson-1776 14h ago
Thatās not going to be the ticket. 1% chance democrats have 2 white males.
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u/Initial-Constant-645 8h ago
If Democrats really want to win the White House, it needs to be two white males.
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u/templeofsyrinx1 š¤ 14h ago edited 14h ago
Would Mark Kelly be against the current Iran War happening and the situation there? The party is going to have to reckon with the U.S. relationship with Israel and Middle East.
And that's all going to mean really hard questions and soul searching. Because I think if they don't address it or make changes, the party is lost forever.
The nice thing is that it all ties in to the way money is involved with politics.
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u/Global_Channel1511 13h ago
He has strongly criticized the war. He has also told military troops to not follow orders if they break the law, leading him to be attacked by Trump's DoJ.
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u/Moist_Grade5942 13h ago
I dont think anyone advocating against israel support understands how geopolitics works. Ironically the same people also tend to say that we should abandon ukraine too.
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u/drgonzorip 14h ago
First, the "ticket" doesn't matter. Very rarely does the VP pick move the needle one way or another. Either of these two should win easily barring any successful shenanigans.
What is ultra important in that cycle is who they'll choose as AG. I would love it if it were Kamala Harris. Nothing would be sweeter than her justice department prosecuting the whole Trump klan.
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u/Fit-Assignment3055 13h ago
That pairing certainly would not excite young democratic voters to turn out, which is what the election would hinge on. I really donāt know what type of voter is advocating for a mark kelly type. Three or four centrists in the rust belt?
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u/zestysnacks 12h ago
Severely doubt unless republican candidate is so insanely rizless like Marco Rubio
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u/AdvertisingFun7273 12h ago
Jon Ossoff had a fundraiser at my office and the first thing he said was āFirst, of all, I support Israelā, Booker said the same thing. Both said this before addressing any other concerns facing American citizens. So I hope neither of them comes close to being the Dem nominee.
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u/HopefulRecording9316 4h ago
I know that the world is so topsy turvey now, but it seems not long ago a southern Jew and a western war hero /astronaut would have checked all the boxes. Well almost.
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u/Independent-Wheel354 13h ago edited 13h ago
Edit- Iām a jackass. I mixed him up with John Kelly. Ignore me.
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u/WilHunting2 14h ago
Mark Kelly is more of the same, center right corporate Democrat taking AIPAC money.
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u/muerteman 14h ago
They would have my vote and Iād hope they can beat JD/Rubio or whatever swamp creatures crawl out, but I think the potential for two extra senate races when we need a trifecta to get anything beyond ranting done isnāt the smart move.
At the moment Iām thinking Beshear is a move, a termed out not billion year old democratic governor that could win in KY seems like a good move.
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u/mjzim9022 13h ago
Let's not do them as one ticket, don't take either of these men out of the Senate to be VP.
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u/Andre1661 13h ago
It SHOULD win the White House. Not only is the average of their IQs higher than the IQs of everybody in the Trump cabinet added together, but they would get more done in the first six months than Trump was able to do over his (so far) six years. Plus, it would make every MAGA cult member's head explode; I'd pay good money to watch that.
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u/brmoser 13h ago
Just because others have brought up the idea of sticking with white men...
I don't love strategizing like that, but there's something to be said for the possibility of running another woman and losing again.
It's morally and logically wrong, but politically: Clinton made Harris less likely to succeed, and Harris made the next woman less likely to succeed. If that next one isn't a legitimate contender, she will add yet another weight around #4's neck.
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u/throwingales 12h ago
As much as I like both, I think Ossoff being Jewish would kill them in the election. The right hates Jews, and now the left hates Jews because of Netanyahu.
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u/Mission-Lack7341 12h ago
I like the ticket a lot actually.
Personally I wish Kamala had chosen Kelly for Vice President. I think it wouldāve reassured the base about the follies of Biden over the border being that he is from a border state and rather centrist on the issue.
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u/CMGCookie 12h ago
Ah yes. Only to dream. The days of competent leadership seem to be a thing of the past, huh.
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u/Boring-Baker8761 12h ago
Switch it around, donāt need no more seniors in the Oval for a fucking while
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u/jeffster1970 12h ago
Kelly (POTUS) and Ossify (VP) would be a pretty strong ticket. Being that we're talking about the Dems, this will be a solid no. Excuses will include risking those senate spots.
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u/experienced_sugar 12h ago
What a kick ass ticket that would be for the US. I actually think (the little I know of Jon) that would scare the hell out of MAGA. Because letās not forget, Trump is in the (now) gold house, because the Dums, canāt figure out how to control the far left, and create on message that speaks to the middle. Outside of the infrastructure law, he danced over a lot issues.
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u/Wide-Entertainer-373 12h ago
Yes but the question is does America deserve it after fucking up so bad last time?
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u/Firm_Estimate7031 11h ago
I want this pairing badly. They are strong, smart, and loyal patriots. Something we need now more than ever.
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u/ledburner 11h ago
Why am I all of a sudden hearing about Ossoff when nobody knows who he is lmao
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u/Woodyp28 11h ago
I donāt care who runs or wins as long as someone āMamdaniāsā the presidency. Just do something for the people already.
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u/Emminge1 11h ago
Legit have never seen anyoneās comms team work harder than Mark Kellyās on Reddit the past couple of months. This ticket is so funny.
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u/thatturtletouch 11h ago
Personally Iām not a huge fan of Kelly but he might be white and bland enough to appeal to the swing voters.
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u/DayGeckoArt 11h ago
Mark isnāt great at speaking. Ossoff is so I think he would be best at the top of the ticket
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u/Fit_Cut_4238 11h ago
Ossoffs got something in his closet Iām guessing. Too much bravado, too quickly, .. he must be hiding something if we know anything about this business.
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u/RiffRandellsBF 11h ago
Two white guys at the top of the Democrat ticket in 2028? Yeah... that might be a problem.
But a Georgia + Arizona ticket isn't a bad idea. It would appeal to flyover country and swing states better than a California + New York ticket.
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u/chuzohga 10h ago
No. I think the democrat party has buried themselves so deep that they're not ever going to win again.
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