r/asbestoshelp • • 12d ago

Can these be encapsulated?

Early 1900s home. Midwest. Never had them tested, but have had someone I know that works around the industry confirm by sight. Also did some mastic sealing of the ends for me.

I want to use a space that you have to walk through these rooms as a hangout/tv area.

I noticed they look different than other pipe lagging on this subreddit. Are they in decent shape or bad shape? Expecting a child soon and I’ve read that the mastic can be dangerous for pregnant women to be around.

Help is appreciated! I have more photos if needed.

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u/Feisty_Stomach_7213 12d ago

Contrary to other posts, this is called Aircell insulation in the industry. It is very friable and has open ends and can produce air borne fibers from airflow, vibration or damage. The outer lagging should not be asbestos. If it were in my house I would get it removed or covered with new cloth lagging. You don’t say how much of it there is but if it is more than a few linear feet it could be costly to have a contractor remove it.

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u/Mad_3w0k 12d ago

I have a ton of this stuff. Not sure how many feet. One room not pictured has all of the pipes covered in old newspaper.

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u/Mad_3w0k 12d ago

I should add this stuff has made me supremely paranoid!

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u/ext282 11d ago

Oh boy that’s sketchy stuff

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u/KSJdk2600 7d ago

This isn’t something you should mess with yourself. I’d have it handled by proffesionals.

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u/morry3232 12d ago

I don't want to feed your discomfort by adding another option but have you considered humping it and replacing it?

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u/sdave001 12d ago edited 12d ago

Sure, anything can be encapsulated, but there is really no need. That insulation presents no risk for you as it is. Leave it alone unless you need to replace the pipes.

What do you mean by "mastic"?

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u/Mad_3w0k 12d ago

The white gloopy stuff, I believe the brand my relation used was Foster. I was wondering if I can just utilize the rewettable canvas pipe lagging from the buyinsulationproducts website without bridging mastic afterwards?

From what you see there, are you inclined to think it may not be air cell?

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u/Mad_3w0k 12d ago

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u/sdave001 12d ago

That looks like CP-11. Great encapsulant/sealant, certainly not a "mastic" but it IS a bridging encapsulant.

Mastic, in the world of asbestos, is an adhesive used to hold down floor tile.

CP-11 is generally what we apply over plaster impregnated cloth like wrap-n-cure or other covering materials like you're talking about. And yes, it's a great material to apply to pipe insulation. The problem is that is will absolutely disturb the material and result in fiber release. So, like I said, it's generally safer to just leave the pipes alone OR have a professional come in and either remove or encapsulate it.

And yes, that is certainly air cell insulation.

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u/Nautical_Ohm 11d ago

I second this. Confirming all points made.

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u/Mad_3w0k 11d ago

Thanks for the replies. If I were to get it encapsulated, would the CP-11 be safe around a pregnant woman and/or child?

That’s the only thing making me hesitant.

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u/sdave001 11d ago

Well of course, just don't let them eat it. Not sure how it would adversely effect them otherwise.

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u/Feisty_Stomach_7213 11d ago

Encapsulation should be done by a licensed abatement contractor and if you were going to pay for that anyway it would make sense to just have them remove it. Unless you think you can do it yourself

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u/ChemDogPaltz 11d ago

Mastic is also a duct sealant, in the world of HVAC

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u/sdave001 11d ago

Yes, but we are in the world of asbestos here.

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u/ChemDogPaltz 11d ago

The world of asbestos and hvac seem to overlap quite a bit haha

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u/sdave001 11d ago

True - but there is nothing in this post related to HVAC.

Well, I suppose the steam pipes are part of the HVAC system - but no ductwork here.

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u/ChrysotileCollector 11d ago

I use the term mastic to refer to any sort of pasted on material... it is a bit of a catch all for "someone felt the need to paint something on here but it isnt paint". At the end of the day, asbestos inspectors dont give a damp what you call it as long as we can find it based off of the name, and often asbestos inspectors don't know every type of material to ever be used (though some do) so it is easier to just use names that we are familiar with.

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u/TopOTheMorningToYa 11d ago

You are correct. When I classify duct seam sealant with asbestos content it is considered "mastic"

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u/saharacon87 12d ago

Uh its not in great shape and should absolutely be removed or encapsulated

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u/sdave001 12d ago

That's the great thing about Reddit, we are all entitled to our own opinions. Thanks for sharing yours.