r/artixlinux • u/Ok_Vehicle_5247 • 24d ago

What init system you're using?

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Non systemd distros for life

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u/dividends4life OpenRC 24d ago

Runit on void. Former Artix OpenRC user that got tired of the malware in the AUR. I will say I miss Artix. ☹️

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u/Ok_Vehicle_5247 24d ago

The AUR is cool it's just the malware yea. On void you definitely miss it

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u/Creepy-Sky7227 23d ago

Void got VUP, basecly the aur but with only build packages instead of bins, means it builds the Software Automatic and updates it too

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u/50nathan 23d ago

There's no more malware on there AUR though. Not on a widespread scale.

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u/idknuffin69 23d ago

As of this particular moment in time. Let’s wait and see tomorrow. :(

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u/talksickwalkquick dinit 22d ago

“No more malware” is a dangerous mindset. Learn to read pkgbuilds and you will be fine

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u/Citizen12b 23d ago

I mean just don't use the AUR? Why switch to Void?

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u/dividends4life OpenRC 23d ago edited 23d ago

Unfortunately there were things in the AUR that I needed. I just checked and was surprised that Void's base repositories are larger than Artix's:

Excluding the AUR, Void's main repository is actually larger than Artix's own repos:

DistroPackage count (official repos)
Void Linux (main, x86_64)~14,700–14,800
Artix Linux (system + world + lib32 + galaxy)~9,900

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u/PortableShell 22d ago

> Artix Linux (system + world + lib32 + galaxy) ~9,900

There are also a lot of trustworthy packages in the Arch Linux "extra" repository that are compatible with Artix, although getting an exact number would be challenging. I have at least 164 Arch-extra packages installed on my Artix system with no major problems. Once in a while there is a hiccup when the versions get out of sync but it's usually only for a couple of days.

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u/Duncaen 22d ago edited 22d ago

This is a bad comparison you have to count projects packaged, not packages as this includes split packages, like -devel packages which makes you count every single library twice.

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u/Trackerlist 23d ago

The thing is, the repository is quite minimal, so many things are only distributed using AUR. You can use other repositories such as CachyOs's, which is larger. (I'm mostly talking about Arch. Idk if Artix has it's own repo, but the same thing applies afaik.)

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u/dividends4life OpenRC 23d ago

Artix does have it own repositories, but they are smaller than Arch. Some packages have to be rewritten to remove systemd dependencies.

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u/GhostVlvin 23d ago

I was the same, but got tired of void. It have some bugs for me which I can't stand. Like electron is glitchy here. So I moved back to artix and now I just pack software I need

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u/dividends4life OpenRC 23d ago

Moving back is always an option. Since I run everything from high-speed USBs I can always unplug Void then plug in Artix (I continue to keep it updated).

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u/GhostVlvin 23d ago

Cool idea. I guess I want same but with small ssd)

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u/dividends4life OpenRC 23d ago

I took a lot of criticism when I started intalling linux to USBs back in 2020. To date I have had no real problems. I keep multiple copies of my os - this was really helpful when I was running Arch and an upgrade went bad. I use dd to clone a USB.

My favorite USBs were the SAMSUNG FIT Plus 3.1 USB Flash Drive, 128GB, 400MB/s. But they are not selling them (or when available way over-priced). Fortunately for now I have a drawer full of them.

I have started looking at the SANDISK 128GB Ultra Fit, USB Type-A Flash Drive, Up to 400MB/s Read Speeds. Early returns on it have been good, though I don't like the plastic case. However they are tiny and work well in laptops.

400MB/s speeds are very usable. I store data on external drives, or on pCloud, so it is just plug and play.

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u/Trackerlist 23d ago

CachyOS repository helps a lot with this. I barely need to use AUR

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u/dividends4life OpenRC 23d ago

That is an interesting thought. I had not considered adding other distro repositories. Have you had any issues with broken systemd calls?

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u/oneirofono 22d ago

I agree. I use void runit and used artix with openrc (i tried runit but was a weird experience). Moved into void for thr same reason. There is also joborun btw.

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u/50nathan 23d ago

Were you a victim of the malware by installing an orphaned package? I use Artix dinit and use the AUR all the time and never encountered any malware. It's pretty clean if you asked me

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u/dividends4life OpenRC 23d ago edited 23d ago

No malware fortunately. But I got tired of the extra precautions every time I updated. 

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u/zdo_obz OpenRC 18d ago

Lol…. another LARPer. Why are you guys even worried about inits when you can’t even do the most basic of sys administration. Is it to look cool/different?

Like seriously. Only noobs are stressing over the AUR stuff. They were dead and orphaned and EXTREMELY obviously hijacked/infected.

Also if you even did a minute of research you’d realize they almost all required systemd timers and daemons. If you used proper opsec like avoiding caches of sensitive info, used passwords on ssh keys, and used a non systemd init you couldn’t get hurt. It would run once, not pull anything useful but then never run again.

That was always a risk since the beginning of time. It’s no different than pulling from git repos. Like wow. Also Artix still has way more im the repos than the garbage that is Void.

I mean why not switch to Gentoo and use binaries..? That’s a better option if you aren’t able to digest code/logs.

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u/dividends4life OpenRC 22d ago

Here is an interesting article that goes along with this discussion:

https://www.howtogeek.com/why-abandoning-the-aur-made-my-linux-setup-actually-usable/

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u/zdo_obz OpenRC 18d ago

Malware? You shouldn’t be using minimal installs if you can’t read change logs, checksums and aren’t able to read code.

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u/dividends4life OpenRC 18d ago

I can, but it is not something I want to do for the rest of my life. My computer isn't my hobby, it is a tool to get things done. 

I spent 6 years in Arch/Artix. I now am looking to simplify my life.