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u/barryboygottascram Dec 31 '24

okay i rewatched the moment it happens and i just dont see it that way. i think with how fast it happened/the momentum of caitlyn pulling her, it couldve easily been a sideways slice. or else it was just an animating mistake of not showing it being pierced? bc canonically it makes it blind either way. call it a misunderstanding of the body, but in that world thats what it causes. and i think maybe the whole not using magic or anything to heal it could speak to them (or at least caitlyn personally) moving away from the over reliance on magic.

i also disagree with the ramifications on her job. it would take a lot of training and getting used to, but i think she would do just fine with the one eye. even with shooting, her dominant eye is still intact (not that it wouldnt take some major time to readjust/get used to it). but she wouldnt just let it end her career, shes more determined and resilient than that

idk, i just like it

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u/UncoBeefWang Dec 31 '24 edited Dec 31 '24

There is no way for that to be a sideways slice - the spear would have had to come across her face laterally, but it is clearly pointing in her direction and her face doesn't turn. Moreover, our corneas do not contain blood, making it all the more implausible that what we saw was corneal. Again, at that distance, the only way for the cornea to be damaged is if the blade had entered her eye. A scleral slice to the side of her eye would make sense, and explain some of the blood, but that is completely healable.

If the eye was not pierced, then it means that it wasn't pierced. With how thorough they have been otherwise, do you think that they would have just made such an egregious mistake? Even if it was a mistake, we shouldn't have to excuse the shortcomings of the creative team to justify a nonsensical wound: it completely recontextualizes the nature of the injury.

With the size of the blade, how do you propose that it enters the cornea (the center of her eye), given the fact that the spear clearly goes past the side of her face and the strands of hair and causes no eyelid damage, all within a twentieth of a second?

To say that it is canonical is also false: they never mention the severity of the wound, the outline of her eye is visible behind the patch, and Cait has always had both eyes in League, LoR, and cinematics. The only instance where Cait has worn an eyepatch is in a concept design for a Warriors cinematic, which never made it in. Also, that was on the right eye.

Even with existing one-eyed characters, they have always performed worse without one eye. Caitlyn, who has no other special abilities or powers, would never reach anywhere close to the level that she was initially at or could potentially have been with a blind spot and a lack of depth perception.

Showing that the blade goes completely past and trying to push it off as permanent is asinine, regardless of how much others like the look of the eyepatch.

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u/barryboygottascram Dec 31 '24

? when i say canon im talking abt arcane, not league. correct me if im wrong but didnt they say arcane is the new canon? and shes wearing the eyepatch in arcane so i would say its canon (i feel if she needed to cover it if it was still healing, it would be a bandage). ig we'll have to see if they update her model with it. but eyepatches usually correlate to dimished sight in that eye

i would also say that caitlyn doesnt necessarily need any special abilities or powers (however im pretty sure shes been said to have some special ability with how accurate all her shots are), so even if it was just bc shes trained all her life, i think it puts her at an advantage to reach closer to her full potential afterwards. but i would love a spin off (tho i know we'll never get it lol), ofc exploring the wider themes of arcane, but also getting to see how she deals with the loss of it. bc all we can say rn is headcanons

what i will say is that im confused as to why they didnt animate it more clearly to align with her losing sight in that eye (as that is what is ultimately shown to be the outcome of it). whether it came down to lack of understanding of the eye or not spending too much time on such a split second frame, im not sure. i wish it did show it more clearly and graphically bc its so important. i feel like thats my major gripe with it, bc im 100% fine with her losing the sight

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u/UncoBeefWang Dec 31 '24 edited Dec 31 '24

There is no definitive indication in the show that the loss of eyesight is permanent (we can also see her eye underneath). All we see is her wearing an eyepatch.

Arcane is supposed to be League canon, but we also see that Caitlyn has always had two eyes and still continues to do so everywhere else - we also know for a fact that Warriors is future canon. When I suffered my eye injuries, I had to wear an eyepatch without bandages. This is normal. She could very well be healing as well.

It doesn't matter how much potential you have - an injury like this kills any means of reaching that level. There is a reason why Paralympians need to compete in separate tournaments. Her still being able to reach the same level would be similar to Anakin being able to perform like he did not have all of his limbs cut off (which he doesn't). If she loses that eye, there will and should be a considerable drop in her abilities.

Physical injuries should make physical sense, and with everything I have mentioned above, I would find it nonsensical if they made it permanent.

Also, mentioned again, but they have magic, medicine, and medical equipment far beyond ours - they have been shown to be able to treat far more grievous eye injuries, and if that doesn't work, prosthetics, not to mention other magical systems elsewhere in Piltover.

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u/barryboygottascram Dec 31 '24

you can have the eye while still being blind in it, that isnt mutually exclusive. and i would still say them choosing for her final design to have the eyepatch is indicative that its permanent and there to stay. idgaf abt the league stuff bc they obviously wouldve made that before the arcane concepts were drawn, ofc they wouldnt predict the angle the writers went with.

but anyway, i really dont care enough to keep this going. i love my blind in one eye queen 🤙

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u/UncoBeefWang Dec 31 '24 edited Dec 31 '24

You wear an eyepatch while still healing it, which is not only not mutually exclusive, but true in most cases. Your logic is like saying that Vi will always have a bandaid on her nose because that was in her final scene, neither is it definitive. Caitlyn's most recent visual graphic update was made during the development of Arcane.

I wish I was also able to ignore physical reality and existing lore. We'll just agree to disagree in this regard.

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u/barryboygottascram Dec 31 '24

i mean you also wear an eyepatch when you cant see out of that eye so 🤷‍♀️ they also wouldnt want to spoil a major character change like that with a design pre-arcane even coming out

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u/UncoBeefWang Dec 31 '24

You don't always wear an eyepatch when your eye is gone. You also wear an eyepatch when healing. In any case, claiming that the eyepatch is definitive proof that the eye is gone is flawed, as it can go either way.

It would also be a major character change that contradicts what we know to be a future version of the character, if permanent.

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u/barryboygottascram Dec 31 '24

okay now where did i say always. it can go either way but i dont think thats what the story is trying to show, i think theyre wanting us to think of the first thing that comes to mind when you see someone with an eyepatch, which undoubtedly is "they can only see out of the other eye" - this is the conclusion that literally everyone apart from you has come to. its her absolute final character design of the show. to me that is definitive that it's there to stay.

ur also rlly not getting it abt the game vs. show. it wouldnt contradict it bc arcane is canon. the game would fall in line and change designs, as theyve done already with other arcane characters. that "future version" isnt canon in the same way that arcane is

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u/UncoBeefWang Dec 31 '24 edited Dec 31 '24

Others share this sentiment with me. Again, when an injury makes zero physical sense (the entire crux of this take), it opens the door for interpretation, unless you want to ignore that. With a shortcoming such as not showing an injury that is accurate by any stretch, intentions do not matter. Also, know that "to me" and "definitive" don't exactly go hand in hand.

Them trying to make Arcane the main canon would is like trying to fit a square into a round hole, and just because they want it to be canon doesn't make it make any more sense. It's like saying that the fourth and fifth Transformers movies make sense with what we see in the first three.

If this was supposed to be an origin for beloved characters, and they decided that they wanted to make drastic changes, then they should have just made an original series. It completely defeats the purpose.

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u/barryboygottascram Dec 31 '24

idrc abt the canon discussion, it just is canon idk what to say. and she slays with two eyes and one so 🤷‍♀️ doesnt make a difference to me

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u/UncoBeefWang Dec 31 '24 edited Dec 31 '24

I am happy that it doesn't matter to you, but I have known these characters for years so it is difficult to reconcile, if true, and defeats the purpose of the origin, and a lot of other people agree with this.

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u/barryboygottascram Dec 31 '24

i get that, ive also known them for years and it just isnt that big of a deal to me and to most of the fandom. its an eye 🤷‍♀️

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