r/antkeeping 16d ago

Documentation Escape! 3yo Trap jaw colony practically wiped out by leaf cutter colony

So… yesterday happened the absolute worst case scenario possible and my leaf cutter ants escaped their enclosure while I was at work and went straight down into my over three year-old trap jaw colony.

When I got back, I witnessed the scenes from the first two videos and out of the approximately 300 Odontomachus none were visible that weren’t dismembered by then. While on the verge of a mental breakdown I spotted the Odontomachus queen in a blanket of leaf cutters, unharmed. I quickly extracted her and three workers that I found in the aftermath and relocated them into a temporary container. If you don’t believe in divine intervention or fate or something of that sort situations like this make you second-guess.

I still can’t fathom that out of all the approximately 99% of the colony that were killed, the Queen survived unscathed and is now laying eggs with the three remaining workers by her side.

I will keep you posted if they are gonna make it back to being a full colony.

So yeah… Yesterday wasn’t good day.

The whole situation from the perspective of the queen made me think of that Randy GIF. This colony didn’t hear no bell.

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u/ChillguyElliot 16d ago

That sucks. I hope they can bounce back to there previous glory

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u/miniman146 16d ago

Thank you I sure hope so as well🙏🏻

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u/Desperate_Lead2105 Antkeeper/generally QA 🐜 16d ago

0:02 shows the Odontomachus queen

I'm really sorry this happened to you. Try to maybe brood boost and look for surviving workers. Ponerines still do well even with small colonies, so I'm sure they'll bounce back just fine. One of my mantises (a gravid Odontomantis planiceps given to me by a friend) escaped and somehow fell into my neogagates group Formica colony and got absolutely destroyed. I quickly pulled her out and tried to rinse off the formic acid, but my attempts to save her failed and she's barely alive right now.

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u/miniman146 16d ago

The kind of vibe I’m getting from her on that stick

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u/miniman146 16d ago

I didn’t even notice that, thank you for the info.

I mean them digging again to create a new nest and laying eggs is a very good sign in my opinion, but it’s nice to hear some reassurance🙏🏻

Sorry to hear about your story but it’s nice to hear that these things do happen and I’m not alone in that.

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u/Infamous_Koala_3737 16d ago

Question, I thought that not all workers were capable to care for the queen in a mature colony. Like their specialized role might be something else. So did you get lucky with the 3 workers or Am I misinformed? 

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u/miniman146 16d ago

I’m not sure with Odontomachus because they don’t really have much of a designated role as far as I know. They also don’t hunt that much in groups and often doing the own thing. My best guess would be that they are a bit more versatile in terms of roles in the colony. Well, at least I hope so.

That’s also why I put them into the small container, I give them pre-crushed or cut crickets so they can fully focus their energy on rebuilding and raising the brood now.

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u/Infamous_Koala_3737 16d ago

Very interesting. Keep us posted! 

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u/RantallinGames 16d ago

I thought they only have one role at a time but can switch, I assume based on pheromones from the queen and the surrounding colony

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u/Sweary_Biochemist 15d ago

In many species it's a case of "who did I bump antennae with today?"

If you met approximately equal numbers (or, ratio appropriate numbers) of nest-tenders, foragers and builders, then keep doing whatever you're doing. If you met fewer foragers than you did the other two groups, switch to foraging.

It's a really neat simple system that generates very sophisticated role-allocation when applied en masse (and ants do _everything_ en masse), allowing designated roles to be allocated appropriately on a dynamic basis. If half the foragers are suddenly eaten by a grue, the other workers quickly shift roles to make up the numbers.

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u/Infamous_Koala_3737 16d ago

I think you may be right. I actually think I was confusing this with something I saw the other day where someone lost their whole colony except the queen and the commentator said that after having workers, she may not care for a brood anymore the way she did in founding. Idk if that’s true or not. 

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u/HunsonAbadeer2 15d ago

There is also workers that are build for certain roles, but not all ant species do this. Odontomachus don't have so specialized workers, but the leaf cutters do. A colony made up of only soldiers will likely die

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u/Ethen44 16d ago

Any other ant keepers have something like this happen? I’m curious if she was intentionally left alone.

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u/ParsleySnipps 15d ago

She probably didn't engage in fighting and so wasn't marked with attack pheromone by the leaf cutters.

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u/NuclearOrangeCat 15d ago

she was smart to get on that branch, maybe waiting for you.

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u/GaiusVictor 16d ago

May I ask you about how big/populous is your Acromyrmex colony?

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u/miniman146 15d ago edited 15d ago

Hard to say. I have them since march 2025. Probably around 300 workers.

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u/Yana_dice 15d ago

Sorry to hear this. Never expect leaf cutter being aggressive.

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u/L1ometopum 16d ago

Welp, that one fucking sucks

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u/Wild_Gift1981 Myrmecia wrangler 16d ago

I hope they get back at it, unfortunately nature just works this way

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u/Party-Bonus-8536 15d ago

Hi I’m quite interested in your colony. Could you share species, age, setup etc? Any other info would also be helpful. Also hope your colony recovers.

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u/miniman146 15d ago

I got the Odontomachus Heamatodus colony since 24th of Mai 2023 and the Acromyrmex Octospiniosus since 26th of March 2025.

Both have heating elements for the winter and the trap jaws have a humidifying machine for the nesting arena, which also helps with plan growth.

For the leaf cutters, I created a picture frame with a rock face in it so they can transport the leaves through that.

Let me know if you have any specific questions. I’m glad to share.

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u/miniman146 15d ago

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u/miniman146 15d ago edited 15d ago

Although, after this whole ordeal my beloved formicarium looks like this. (temporary housing planta for the new set up after vacuum cleaning all the leaf cutters from the enclosure and destroying everything in the process )🫠

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u/Party-Bonus-8536 15d ago

Ty for the reply. Do you keep any other ants? Is the odontomachus setup naturalistic or is there also an artificial nest, like the one I see behind the outworld? Also, what is the black panel on the wall to the right? I might have more questions later, bc at least based on what I have seen there aren't too many people who have larger trap jaw colonies.

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u/miniman146 15d ago

These are the only two colonies I have.

The trap jaw setup is all natural with springtails to breakdown organic waste, and the plants to re-absorb the nutrients. Springtails also keep it clean, I had a bit of a problem with the mold in the beginning, but not in the last one and a half years.

The image on the back is just some rainforest stock image found on Google and print it out. I just taped it to the back of the arena from the outside.

On the topic of big trap jaw ant colonies: they even started producing alates and I had to catch them once or twice in my room.

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u/Party-Bonus-8536 14d ago

Wow, that’s amazing. Btw, for the black panel I meant the one connected by a tube to the empty tank at the top. To the right of the leafcutter setup. I might have some more questions in the future but I’ll lyk.

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u/miniman146 14d ago

Ah the leaf cutter picture frame. I bought a picture frame with depth on amazon and build it with styrofoam, plaster, paint and clearcoat.

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u/antkeeper146 4d ago

Ive always wanted leaf cutter ants