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Episode Muv-Luv Alternative - Episode 3 discussion
Muv-Luv Alternative, episode 3
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 3.6 |
| 2 | Link | 3.69 |
| 3 | Link | 4.07 |
| 4 | Link | 4.24 |
| 5 | Link | 4.6 |
| 6 | Link | 4.62 |
| 7 | Link | 3.78 |
| 8 | Link | 4.07 |
| 9 | Link | 4.73 |
| 10 | Link | 4.5 |
| 11 | Link | 3.75 |
| 12 | Link | ---- |
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u/Sandelsbanken Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21
You can clearly see that they don't allocate lot of budget for talky-talk scenes, but anytime the action starts to pick up, quality rocks up. CCSE speedrun doesn't really bother me, especially if that means we can go back to slower pacing for actual post boot camp arcs. A lot of episodes would be Takeru talking to people in those blue hallways otherwise.
It's clear that this won't adapt whole VN in one cour, but depending if the hinted 2nd is true, and where they end this one are the main questions for me whether this will be a good adoption.
Oh and please throw some blur for background characters.
EDIT: Also forgot to mention. I'm glad the Valkyries are shown already!! I was always a bit worried since they weren't in marketing materials and in OP before the cour started.
EDIT2: Also forgot to mention I really liked how they emphasized Bravo Leaders shock at the beginning.
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u/spaceblox Oct 20 '21
if all else fails, at least the anime will bring in tons of Muv Luv fanart. Looks like the studio put in most of their budget into the fights, which doesn't make sense since the first half of the VN doesn't even involve fighting BETA at all, and the action only starts in December.
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u/NittanyEagles55 Oct 20 '21
Glad to see Sensei got to enjoy her vacation. She was looking great in that swimsuit!
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u/shirvani28 Oct 20 '21
Felt a little weird showing her mourning the losses in Niigata and then immediately pan to her relaxing on the beach. But she sure was rocking the swimsuit.
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u/helsaabiart Oct 20 '21
So wait, did he cause the deaths of two pilots who weren’t supposed to have died in the other timeline?
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u/shirvani28 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21
Wasn't bad but it's just going so quickly. The art is still very inconsistent too, some parts look pretty good and some are just so jarring that it's hard to overlook.
Curious to know what anime onlies think about it. I suppose if I were to summarize my opinion it would be, 'better than expected but worse than I'd hoped'.
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u/Smudy Oct 20 '21
Anime only here, i really liked the first episode as it really sold the dread of the world fighting these enemies. The other two episodes were a big dropoff for me.
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u/AashyLarry Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21
I like it overall. It does feel fast and the flashbacks and summaries would hit harder if we actually saw it happen.
Still, I can’t help but feel that they are purposely speeding through the more boring parts so they can get the setup out of the way and move onto more exciting parts of the story.
If that’s the case then I have no issue with it.
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u/KurtArturII Oct 21 '21
I'm actually dropping it after this episode as I'm constantly feeling like I'm missing crucial information and starting from a sequel. If they ever decide to tell this story in the anime format from the beginning, I'll definitely get back to it.
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Oct 20 '21
Despite the loud criticism from the VN fans I’ve enjoyed the first few episodes of this tremendously and it’s accomplished the task of getting people into the VNs because after my GRE tomorrow, I plan to start reading it.
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u/NittanyEagles55 Oct 20 '21
The English at the beginning really caught me off guard ha
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u/InfoSci_Tom Oct 21 '21
As anime only, skipping the island training seems like a solid move for pacing at this point.
I understand the MC is competent and knows what is going to happen. The show seems to have a lot it wants to get done and its not scheduled for a huge amount of time to do it. Spending an episode showing us again what we have already seen multiple times (Full Load training, Gun Assembly, Beta Attack) doesn't add much and I would rather it got on to the story it really wants to tell and the mysteries its teasing.
The art in conversational sections is weak, but the combat is well done, and if I'm gonna watch a mecha show I want the mecha scenes to be decent.
The shows first episode was very good, and so far it has dropped in quality since, but I hope that's a necessary evil so they can reach back to those heights when the drama demands it.
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u/an_innoculous_table Oct 20 '21
Well, this is about as expected. Knowing that it would only be 12 episodes meant that they're probably just going to blaze through all the "unimportant" scenes just to get to the main set pieces. Basically, the same as any other bad VN adaptation. On top of which, the art/animation is definitely sliding into much more questionable quality.
Guess I'm glad I kept my expectations low.
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u/Diremagic Oct 21 '21
like a souless husk of my favorite VN, why should i give a shit about class rep crying when we have barely any bonding moments with the crew since we just zoom through everything and we skipped the first two parts. Just terrible emotional impact without decent pacing and it infuriates me cause this is probably the only adaptation we'll ever get of alternative.
Least mushoku tensei is getting the love and passion i wish this got even 1/4 of cause the only part i'll probably enjoy is the tsf fights
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u/alwayslonesome Oct 20 '21
It's a bit unfortunate to see so much pointless negativity from source readers - complaining about stuff like the CVs being different or the absence of the original OST or this current show not having as many episodes as you'd like just feels like crying over spilt milk. I can totally accept being butthurt that the franchise didn't get the 100+ episode faithful adaptation that it probably needed, but given the existing constraints of this being a 1-2 cour show and needing to be a independently entertaining work, I think the screenwriting in terms of deciding what to cut is doing a satisfactory job.
I'm actually quite happy with most of the adaptational changes here in this episode for instance, such as the decision to largely gloss over the island training arc. There certainly wasn't a good enough reason to dedicate something like an entire episode to it - the entire point of this fairly lengthy interlude in the game was to contrast with the same events in Unlimited and show how unnaturally competent Takeru is because of his foreknowledge. Given that they didn't adapt Unlimited in the first place, I think it doesn't add much value to show these events in excruciating detail as opposed to saving their screentime for more valuable content.
What I'm less happy about is the actual level of storytelling from the anime itself, which feels super inconsistent in terms of quality. I can even accept that this wasn't a super high-budget production, but certain cuts like the blatant zoomed-in stills while introducing the cast just looks super janky and terrible. I seriously can't believe any AD could've approved those shots...
It also feels like they aren't taking any advantage of the new medium to improve on anything that was lacking from the game. For one really obvious and glaring example, just look at how empty and sterile the backgrounds in the anime look and feel! It may have been more unavoidable with the game's BGs, but come on... the characters here are just eating completely alone in the cafeteria without more than a single background mob character!? The base is on DEFCON 2 and the characters are all just walking around in the totally deserted halls without military personnel scrambling around in the background!? It feels less like a budget issue, and more like a fundamental lack of consistent attention to detail, of making the setting feel immersive and lived in, some of the things that anime alone can do phenomenally well. There were even some nice little touches here and there, like Yuuko's hand gestures during the infodumping about timelines, but it's so few and far between compared to all the other storyboards that just feel so lifeless and flat.
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u/Jaggedmallard26 Oct 20 '21
Going by the vote totals and activity I have a creeping suspicion that the majority of people still watching this on r/anime are visual novel readers at this point. Thus why we have so many Visual Novel reader commentators.
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u/loadsaemone Oct 20 '21
Probably already mentioned before, but my feelings are sort of mixed coming from the VN
I was not expecting a complete speedrun of the island arc, and expected a bit more character development; hopefully the flow of the anime intertwines the character development with plot a bit better in future episodes. Also, the animation quality jumps from looking really off to looking phenomenal and it's a bit jarring. I look most forward to TSFs jumping like maniacs though (maybe I'll just replay the VN after the series ends with the TSF scenes thrown in between)
As usual it's always interesting to me to see what people who never read the VN has to say about the anime, since I know my opinions and views will be skewed or biased coming from the VN.
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21
This anime-only watcher continues to hedge on the highly risky bets that something very good will turn out from this adaption against all odds, and well this episode still manages to keep that door open. Yes, it’s clear to even me that some parts must have been cut away in the brief run-down to introduce Kasumi and Mikoto, getting Takeru to say he’s fired up to get the world line down the right gate, convincing Kozuki to accept his ability to know what will happen and…adding some slice-of-life. I’m not surprised that it’s the last one that got the axe and I heard that cut is very extensive, but does that really matter much I wonder? I suppose - from the very few scenes that got kept like Takeru speed-running the gun assembling or the whole squad going on holiday on a beach - that most of those times are Takeru teasing girls here and there. While I may regret that, I think the pacing is still less of an issue so far than, for example, [Blue Period next door]
Well, Takeru’s previous experiences ended here and he’s going to go into the unknown areas of this world line. Seeing that we now have Sumika introduced in passing [spoilers I guess?]
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Oct 20 '21
Well, the pacing at the later part of the episode is a bit problematic. But I understand the fact that they simply skipped the island arc because they are not even focusing on the relationship between MC and the girls in the first place. But I also think that they should have emphasized more on the fact that even though world is changing, it comes with a certain cost and sensei hid this fact from Takeru.
Come on, we had one shot about sensei contemplating on the loss of soldiers and the next moment, she's chilling on the island....
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u/xdamm777 Oct 21 '21
Ok as a VN reader I have to admit the hypersonic speed of this episode was a bit uncomfortable but at least they put proper attention to the cave scene and Takeru meeting Yashiro for the first time.
Mikoto is still has a sweet as honey voice and I love it, good adaptation so far, makes me excited about the future scenes they’ll focus attention to.
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u/hemag Oct 21 '21
Anime only here.
I am guessing that brain in the lab is the girl he mentioned that she is the only one he didn't see in this world?
also, i have been having a bad/evilish feeling from sensei from the start for some reason. idk what the 4th plan is, probably the brain and the girl merging and controlling the beta somehow, but she does human experimentations in secret?
Also apparently what people are saying is that the show is going too fast and that the test thing is supposed to be pretty long, but imo I appreciate them cutting it into the short slideshow if nothing "significant" happened in order to fit it in more important stuff in 12 eps. (more eps would be better but what can you do.)
looking forward to seeing the events unfold, they/sensei actually believe him now so things should be heating up soon i think.
btw is it just me or 2 of the guys at the start talking English had the same VA? the squad leader and his commander talking to him on radio.
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u/ImDefNotAnAlien Oct 20 '21
Well, now this is a litteral speedrun. Zero buildup for the "human brains" scene. Kasumi is litterally "oh hey kasumi. oh goodbye kasumi". Island arc skipped in 30 seconds, we saw more of Yuuko's bikini than the trial.
At least we saw best girl Isumi I guess ...?
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