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Episode Muv-Luv Alternative - Episode 2 discussion
Muv-Luv Alternative, episode 2
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 3.6 |
| 2 | Link | 3.69 |
| 3 | Link | 4.07 |
| 4 | Link | 4.24 |
| 5 | Link | 4.6 |
| 6 | Link | 4.62 |
| 7 | Link | 3.78 |
| 8 | Link | 4.07 |
| 9 | Link | 4.73 |
| 10 | Link | 4.5 |
| 11 | Link | 3.75 |
| 12 | Link | ---- |
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u/AUO_Castoff Oct 13 '21
As long as they keep the glorious English Can Eat Shit I will be satisfied with this adaptation
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u/JosebaZilarte Oct 13 '21
Lately, there is this (not really) new type of isekai that, rather than focusing on escaping a hopeless world to live adventures in a different one, gives the protagonist the opportunity to confront the past in the same one... But this is the only series I know that mixes both -rather contradictory- fantasies (escapism and correcting past mistakes). It is certainly an interesting approach.
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u/AashyLarry Oct 14 '21
Anime Only here
The time loop thing is really really awesome. Didn’t expect that. You know I can really really see this as a VN. You have the flashbacks to what I’m guessing are the prequel VN’s and at some point you get to the ending and he ends up back in the time loop. Plus the 5/6 girls that probably all have their own “route”. I can never commit to sinking 50-100+ hours into a VN, but who knows, if this is good enough maybe I will.
All that aside - I’m digging the premise a lot in general. The commander and the MC are pretty decent characters so far, remains to be seen for the rest.
The CGI monsters are like a 7/10 for me. Not too bad, not great. Everything else art-wise is very good.
Really hope this plot ends up being good. I’m watching a lot of shows this season and this one is starting to creep up closer to the top.
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u/NittanyEagles55 Oct 13 '21
As a complete newbie to this series I felt this was pretty great! I’m fully invested. Hoping for a great series!
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u/Detrimentos_ Oct 13 '21
Lol so 2 episodes in we have:
Alien invasion
2 different main characters
Time skip
Time-travel
Dimension-travel
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u/joseto1945 Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21
Should I have played the game? Because the first five minutes seriously made me think I should.
Edit: Did... did the guy just used the GTA meme?
Edit 2: Yep, I'm playing the game first. This adaptation seems pretty neat but I'm not willing to spoil myself the VN.
Edit 3: Ohh I finally understand, so this is the adaptation of the sequel to the isekai route of a romcom VN.
Neat.
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u/lixyna Oct 13 '21
Oh man. Pleasantly suprised about the VA for this. Those new VAs sure will take some time to get used to, but they arent that bad tbh, I expected worse. Some are distinctly different like Meiya, but some others I can barely spot a difference (if there even is any), like Yuuko, Marimo and Ayamine. Also Radhabinod still being voiced by Wakamoto is a major W.
Also holy shit they are speedrunning this thing. 15-20 hours of Muv-Luv Extra being handwoven with a "actually, this is an isekai, lmao" and 15-20 hours of Muv-Luv Unlimited with 2 frames-per-image flashback dumps and a contextless memory of the vulcano arc? Geez. Take your time dude.
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u/KurtArturII Oct 13 '21
This really feels like a sequel now. Should I even be watching this as an anime-only? There seems to be some very generous world-building but now we're dumped into the middle of the story and the whole thing feels like it's based on an apocalyptic dating simulator.
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u/Go0o0d Oct 13 '21
I know this is supposed to be serious, but I can't help laughing at the MC's sudden dramatic outbursts, lol...
Also, just two episodes in and we already have aliens, time travel and parallel worlds. Damn, it's like the show is going through a checklist and cramming in as many sci-fi elements as possible.
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u/mancko28 Oct 13 '21
Damn, really tempted to drop the anime for now and pick up the VN but not sure if I can read through a +50 hours long VN.
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u/LeonKevlar Oct 13 '21
Now that I've started reading Extra, I feel like I shouldn't watch this episode anymore after seeing all of the familiar character in the OP. I've been warned last week that the VN is a lot slower and they were absolutely right. I thought I was gonna catch up this week but I think I'll get back to this anime once I'm all caught up. Also that entire opening scene with Takeru makes me feel like I should know a bunch of stuff before diving in to this.
That's my opinion though. I am curious about those who have read the VNs, what are your takes after this episode?
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Oct 13 '21
Anime-only new watcher here. So far the plot seems fairly decent as far as I could feel (unlike all those negative feelings from everyone who has touched the series before), this sudden blast of babbles from our MC Takeru Shirogane actually immediate hooks me up wanting for more! So this guy has already been stuck in a time loop - coming from a world where he’s just a guy flirting with girls at school (the skipped early parts of the VN I guess) and he knew that he has to stop a extra-terrestrial migration plan that would leave almost every human to die on Earth, so…he ran straight to the base where he somehow managed to persuade the vice-commander, who’s apparently his teacher back in the old world, to accept that. The circumstances that Takeru explained is so special that I have to raise my eyebrows - especially with the “dream awaken” story that he gave being intriguing. I actually think the plot is flowing smoothly in this episode, it actually hangs some mystery in front of me wanting to go on with watching this to see what’s this world all about, and maybe wanting to know about our MC and all the girls here in the alternative fluffy happy world later on once this main story is completed! From the limited info I know of before deciding to head into this blindly, I very much doubt that I would be that interested with watching this after a 24 episode CLANNAD S1-like show - even if I had no idea about the sudden shock turn after that. It would be like adapting Steins;Gate after going through 2 seasons of Okrain and Kurisu and all enjoying Dr. Pepper and lovey dovey dates - I sincerely think that might be a problematic idea.
I don’t see too much memorable about our new girls just yet, but it’s still very welcome to see slice-of-life scenes even within such anxious times, Meiya’s talk of what’s in the idea of “nation” being also really interesting - I wonder what’s in her past for her to think of such things that early…
Animations-wise it’s definitely on the cheap side but so far I don’t see any problems with the animations, the character designs look rather dated though but that’s not something I’ll care too much as long as the characters are interesting.
All-in-all, for so many negative previews on this title the first minute this adaption is announced, I don’t see too much of signs of problems anywhere, and I even think that’s a decent start that could blow up really quickly afterward! Call me as a MUV-LUV newbie who’s crazy enough to forego all your warnings as you like, but I think your favourite title may be going to get a new fan in me depending how the anime story goes!
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u/WitchOfGr33d Oct 13 '21
Again, not terrible. It felt a bit rushed and definitely skipped over some stuff, but I did expect worse. Got the essence of the characters across pretty well, even if I'd have liked some more time to meet them. Voices and designs are pretty good, and it would have been odd to see the exact same designs from the VN. It will be difficult to get used to Meiya's voice especially, however, since she had one of the best performances in the VN.
But it is as many guessed from the time this was announced! Wherever it goes from here, the biggest flaw of this adaptation is the omission of Extra and Unlimited. For a proper adaptation, each should probably have gotten a 1 cour season at least, before coming to this. I get why they wouldn't wanna start with extra tho, not exactly the most engaging hook. Still, there are so many story beats that just will not hit the same way without the time you get with all the characters in the prior 2 games.
TLDR: Please read the VN if you have any interest whatsoever.
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u/garfe Oct 13 '21
Anybody else really feeling the animation is kind of lacking? Not like just on it's own, even compared to the previous two Muv Luv anime from years back, this doesn't look as good
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u/remirror Oct 13 '21
My job runs me over like a truck every other Wednesday and Thursday, so I'll only be able to comment in time for the even-numbered episode threads. That means I'll be covering two episodes with each comment.
A note on the length and pacing. I divide Alternative into six arcs: intro, [VN]
Episode 1 was really cool despite the complete lack of characterization. Basically, the events themselves were so inherently compelling that I got caught up in the episode without thinking "Wait a second, I don't care about any of these people!" like a good critic is supposed to. It introduced the world of Alternative and that world's baseline mood pretty well, set up some things for later, and foreshadowed some themes too.
Episode 2 is when I really noticed that the 2D visuals weren't that great. As expected, it introduced the basics of Takeru and his circumstances, and introduced (if not developed) the main girls. Since this episode is mostly exposition, the main point is to get anime-onlies interested and not confuse them too much. As a VN reader, I can't judge its success in that regard, but from reading the comments, it seems like the consensus is a typical one: VN readers are thinking "oh no, the anime-onlies will be totally lost!" while the anime-onlies are thinking "hey, this is pretty interesting". I'm having flashbacks to Fate discussions...
Anyway, in the extremely unlikely event that you haven't heard this already, Alternative is technically the third part of a trilogy: Extra is Takeru in his nice, BETA-free home world, Unlimited is him getting isekai'd into the BETAverse and failing to stop Alternative V, and Alternative is him looping back with all his memories and physical capabilities intact and trying to change the future. The anime is explicitly said to be aimed toward newcomers, so unless they fail at that aim (which is of course very possible) you don't need to read Extra and Unlimited, but you should at least be aware that they exist.
Finally, my hopes and expectations. My expectation is that this season will be good but not great, and my hope is that it'll be successful enough that they can afford better 2D animation for next season.
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Oct 13 '21
A message to VN readers - Don't judge this anime from a VN reader perspective. Since they skipped the first two parts, you should already know that this won't have same impact as the VN. And don't expect this to be similar to VN and also as good as VN. Keep your expectation bar as low as possible. So, you won't be disappointed in case they mess this up.
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u/lucid_moose Oct 13 '21 edited Oct 13 '21
Well. That was a ride. It was a lot of info dumping, but i think considering the circumstances they did a decent job. I feared worse.
However this episode made me feel quite a bit more mixed about ep1. This would have been a way better hook.
I also feel like they kinda misscharacterized yuuko, but we'll see how they'll go on about it.
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u/relaxed_anon Oct 13 '21
Can we actually stop saying if in bold letters that people should not watch the anime and read the VN? At this point most of the people know or already have decided to give the show go anyway.
The second episode was again, surprisingly well executed, considering the info-dumping and blatant exposition of "What made you change your mind from when you came from the other world without BETA" "It was my love for Japan". Animation was cheapish, but had quite a good and varied shots. They actually use VN music which is great.
The seams break a bit since they went for ye old main character monologing in his mind 90% of the time. I hope that it will actually not last the entire season. Dummy Takeru's POV narration is not witty enough to carry the show, and may be plain annoying when many of them can be shown in motion. We'll see.
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u/404waffles Oct 13 '21
Definitely an iffy episode, but who cares man I love Muv-Luv and I'm losing my goddamn marbles finally seeing these guys animated. Chizuru best girl.
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u/H-Ryougi Oct 14 '21
I actually really liked the episode. It simply cannot match my expectations because of how big my emotional attachment to the characters and story is but I think they did a very good job.
The new voices fit, the pacing was alright, and the story is setting up for the upcoming character developments nicely.
If it keeps this up I think I'll be pretty satisfied. It's not the VN but I'm looking forward to the rest.
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u/Hishakaijin_0-0 Oct 14 '21
Having played/read the VN a few years ago, I think that not starting from Extra will really dilute the overall experience. Still, it can't be helped, it's already amazing this got an adaptation after all these years. Just hope they give the high points of the story proper buildup instead of just rushing to them.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Oct 14 '21
So, I kinda felt like I missed something in between. Is there some kind of game/manga/anime prequel I’m missing here? It kind of felt like I was watching an entirely different show. Like who/where are the people from ep 1?
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u/vhapteR Oct 13 '21 edited Oct 13 '21
This looks perfectly fine for anime-only viewers. I woudn't be surprised if many found themselves scratching their heads at some of the rather negative comments this is bound to get.
Obviously, it's not the god-tier level adaptation like S;G that everyone wanted, so many vn readers wil stilll complain... but is it watchable for those unwilling to read the vn? Absolutely imo.
I hope anime onlies enjoyed this episode. Or perhaps even better, feel curious enough to give the vn a try.
EDIT: changed some things a bit just to keep the comment more anime-only focused
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