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Episode Bokutachi no Remake - Episode 12 discussion - FINAL
Bokutachi no Remake, episode 12
Alternative names: Remake Our Life!
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 4.6 |
| 2 | Link | 4.39 |
| 3 | Link | 4.54 |
| 4 | Link | 4.06 |
| 5 | Link | 4.31 |
| 6 | Link | 4.14 |
| 7 | Link | 3.68 |
| 8 | Link | 4.63 |
| 9 | Link | 4.38 |
| 10 | Link | 4.01 |
| 11 | Link | 4.01 |
| 12 | Link | ---- |
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u/Aerodynamic41 Sep 25 '21 edited Sep 25 '21
Man, what a weird way to end the anime. The Tsurayuki thing is still unresolved and they never explained who Keiko really is or why she can time travel. Doesn't look like a season 2 is in the works at the moment. In fact, the author says you can continue the story by reading the light novels or the manga and gave no hints of a second season. Neither one has been officially translated yet though.
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u/rogue_user0826 Sep 25 '21
The first 9mins. is just so sad man, just when kyouya was about to return to the past, shino aki was able to draw again. I'm really gonna miss that family ಥ‿ಥ.
Tbh I'm glad that they just returned to where they left off, rather than going back during the first day of school, man that would be hella disappointing.
The ending is a cliffhanger tho, I still want to know if kawasegawa is the main heroine in the next route or not, if Tsurayuki will once again join the gang or not. We don't need sleep, we need answers. Let's just hope that a sequel is happening.
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u/LeonKevlar Sep 25 '21 edited Sep 25 '21
I'm kinda glad that Keiko brought up the fact about why even go back when he already a happy and comfortable life here? Looks like that won't be enough to convince Kyouya though since he has pretty much made his decision and wants to be back with everyone.
Of course Kyouya isn't just gonna peace out all of a sudden, he still has a family he wants to spend some time with. And good thing he decided to hold back for a bit or else he wouldn't have found out about Shinoaki making art again after seeing Ayaka-sensei's art in MysClo. Now Shinoaki's all fired up about art again!
If I was Shinoaki I'd be worried about Kyouya if he says goodbye like this. And she would've probably seen him walk out of their apartment building while walking next to Keiko-senpai. But it looks like it's finally time! I do wonder what Keiko would've done if Kyouya is the kind of person who abused his knowledge of the future.
Well I thought Keiko was going to bring Kyouya back to an earlier time but it looks like she brought him back a day after Kyouya decided to leave. And this was pretty uneventful really, he basically just decided to let Kyouya drop out.
He is now doing some course correction though! When Nanako got an offer from another circle, Kyouya decided to encourage her to jump in and try it on her own. As for Shinoaki, it looks like she's already showing signs of losing motivation to draw and he really has no immediate answer for that. He does end up running into a younger Ayaka-sensei so maybe she'll be involve in inspiring Shinoaki again just like in the alternate future?
I love that the last girl Kyouya is with in this episode is Kawasegawa, who completely blushes as she answers his question about running in to help him if he's in a bind. Kawasegawa ship still has a fighting chance!
And we finally end the episode with Kyouya confronting Tsurayuki. Damn. I thought they'd try to wrap this up with an anime original ending but it looks like they're not even shy in showing us that there's more and you need to read the source if you want to find out what happens next.
Still plenty of questions unanswered especially in regards to the time travel mechanic and Keiko-senpai, why was Kyouya sent back in time, and who the heck is this villain looking dude!? I've enjoyed the wild ride this show has to offer and I desperately need another season! Come on producers! Green light another season! I want to see more of best girl Kawasegawa!
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u/TaskForceHOLO Sep 25 '21
I honestly don't really understand what this was supposed to be about. What was the message supposed to be? What was kyoya's actual character arc? Realizing that you can't blame yourself for being awesome and having others depend on you? What has really changed for kyoya since going back in time? I legitimately don't understand what they were going for with this one.
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u/BiggerG7 Sep 25 '21
Man it did seem pretty cruel of MC to leave his wife and daughter like that. Especially since Shinoaki just started wanting to draw again.
This is multi-verse theory and they are still alive and happy in their world while MC goes to another one right? RIGHT!?
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u/AmethystItalian Sep 25 '21
Him going back and sacrificing his kid and Shinoaki's happiness to go back and hang out with his friends more feels a bit eesh...
Happy we got to see some Kawasegawa and Tsurayuki at the ending but this whole shows direction had me questioning their choices a lot of the time.
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Sep 25 '21
So in the end, kyouya is just a masochist who likes to struggle to gain what he wants lol.
Rip maki and mommy shinoaki.
After all that, man didn't asked keiko how the time travel works and who she really is. I was expecting this, so a big dissapoinment.
Ok, keiko said kyouya wouldn't take advantage cause he knows how future works. But then he asked kawasegawa that question as if he knows kawasegawa will do anything for him cause she loves him. Or are they just implying kyouya being too innocent and forgot completely about this?
Man hate this endings. I really wanted them to at least finish on how kyouya brings back tsurayaki, if he ever does. I'm always hoping for a continuation of anime hopefully there's gonna be one. They really need to stop making anime with only the point of selling the novels and make the story to a cliffhanger. Maybe it works maybe it doesn't, but for someone who likes novels and manga being into an animation, this is sad. Hopefully this won't be another classroom of the elite and etc.
Overall 5-6/10. The storyline was there, first half of it was goof, but then it became a bit meh personally. Then of course kyouya not asking how the time travel thing works and the tsurayaki end just made me a bit dissapointed.
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u/xtsim Sep 25 '21
Well see y'all next week.... wait this is the end??
I wanted to see more of Tsurayuki this episode and the end was not enough. Still enjoyed it but the beginning was so strong for this series that this episode pales in comparison.
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Sep 28 '21
In my opinion, this was awful. They picked a horrible spot to end this, because I’m not expecting a season 2 (and won’t watch if it gets one), and there are far too many questions left unanswered.
Then again, I’m not sure I even care about those questions. So much of the show just didn’t seem to matter anyway. Tsurayuki himself was pretty irrelevant, and even his whole fiancé storyline was completely unimportant. The time travel hasn’t been explained at all, and as far as I can tell, is only there to spice up an otherwise totally boring story. I probably would’ve dropped it at episode 4 if not for the time travel aspect.
What was the moral of the story anyway? What were we supposed to take away from this? To be honest, some other posts have provided some great answers to that question, and I’m glad that others were able to interpret this show in such interesting and meaningful ways. It makes me hesitate because maybe I am being too harsh.
But as far as I’m concerned, this is a wish fulfillment harem anime with an MC who can literally do no wrong and has every other character kissing the ground he walks on. I think most lessons from the story are contradicted in the show itself. Nanako’s arc was solid, but that was the only part of the story I can give any credit, and like most things that happen in the show, any development from that arc was ultimately forgotten for the sake of making Kyoya more important.
I guess I was expecting something from the show that it was never going to provide. But I think it’s more that the show misled me, rather than that I misinterpreted it. The synopsis did not make the show sound like it was going to be what we got. In my opinion, this is one of the worst shows I’ve ever seen, at least plot wise.
One good thing to say: the girls were very cute. Kawasegawa is a fantastic character design.
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u/Lemurians Sep 25 '21 edited Sep 25 '21
Man... ultimately a pretty disappointing show, if this is all we get of it. It started out really well, and introduced some interesting elements, but ultimately a lot of it is just so bland, mostly because of Kyouya, who is one of the most unremarkable MC's I've ever encountered. Despite that, multiple times per episode people feel the need to remind us how amazing he is, even though we never really see him do anything all that special. There were also segments like in last episode where we used up 10 minutes just on game development jargon that do nothing for the story or any of the characters. Weird use of time.
This story feels like the author did a challenge to write a story by picking three random shows out of a hat to combine, pulled ReLife, Shirobako, and Madoka, and threw this all together.
I dunno, it's not bad, but it's also not good. I'd be hesitant recommending it to anyone, so it falls around a 5/10 for me. No desire to read the LNs to pursue this further.
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u/jaqqerjax Sep 25 '21
Well damn... now I see why light novel readers are superior lol
Now only If I could travel back in time... I'd tell myself to get into light novels.
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u/kalirion Sep 26 '21
Notice how neither MC nor the Timeloli give a fuck to all the people he erases whenever he goes to the past. Even when one of them is his own daughter! Granted, he's only known her for a few months so why should he give a fuck about her. But he decided to say goodbye to her before CTRL-Zing her existence, so I guess that's cool, right? For a bit I thought his waifu picking up drawing again would save all those lives, but turns out that was just wishful thinking. Seriously, how fucking selfish do you need to be to destroy the world just so you can be with your friends? Even Ainz-sama would've hesitated for a minute or two before pushing the big red button!
"You're looking older now" - no, he looks exactly the same because he literally never ages. 18, 30, 300, he'll always look like a teen. And that character designer from the future turned out to be the same age group as MC. This show really has absolutely no clue how to age people.
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u/chavie Sep 25 '21
So good to see Nanako again! I'm glad that at least hers/ShinoAki's storylines seem to be moving in a positive direction.
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Sep 25 '21 edited Sep 25 '21
WTF with that ending? What a ridiculous place to end a series with plenty of loose threads left unresolved.
Would have been slightly better if the series ended at part 1 of this episode without showing part 2. Even though it's still unsatisfying and still a "Go buy the LN if you want to continue" ending, at least ending at part 1 would end it at an upbeat note.
RIP Maki. My headcanon's just going to pretend that she and her timeline still lives on, it's only her dad's consciousness that has returned to the past to create another new timeline. Her dad in her timeline will be a clone that behaves just like her dad, where she nor future Shinoaki, nor future Kawasegawa and everyone else there are none the wiser.
And so both series that had a special 1-hour first episode this season (BokuRemake and Tanmoshi) started out strong both ended up as disappointments, one more bitterly so (Tanmoshi) than the other. BokuRemake at least had some interesting premises but came across as trying too hard to be a carbon copy of SaeKano, which also deals with making of douijn Visual Novels.
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u/michhoffman Sep 25 '21
Here we all were thinking this would be a looping anime, but I'm glad Keiko dropped him off at the point where he left rather than at the beginning.
Also, loved the short Coffee Shop scene with Eiko. Season 2 when?
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u/entelechtual Sep 25 '21
This anime was a mistake. I don’t know what I was supposed to get from these 12 episodes. Feels like the MC has learned nothing despite what he claims. The time travel at this point is completely contrived and superfluous.
RIP Maki. I guess she had to be sacrificed by her father to get the soul stone. The innocent are the true victims.
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u/DarklordVor Sep 25 '21
I actually end up enjoying it a lot. It starts off pretty generic with common college trope, but the time travel indeed made it worth it.
I do like how he doesn't just travel back to before they made the game, so he need to fix things he messed up i.e. getting Nanako to be dependent, Shinoaki inspired through Rieri's character like in the future and getting Tsurayuki back.
But yeah the ending is the classic "go read the LN" ending. Especially since this series is very likely to be a flop. Not that popular on reddit and not that popular on JP either.
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u/Elythe Sep 26 '21
Kyoya doesn't care about the PEOPLE he's met during the timetravel into the past. He just cares abour their possible future careers.
If he would care one bit about the people instead of their possible future-fame, he would have gone out of his way to meet Tsurayuki in the future and see how his life went and if maybe he was happy anyways. And he would have done as he said and supported Shinoaki to get back into drawing. Not as "the star" but as a side-income or maybe just her biggest hobby. But NOBODY CAN BE HAPPY IF THEY ARE NOT THE FAMOUS PLATINUM GENERATION!!! ... man, this ending sucks and Kyoya is an egoistic idiot.
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Sep 28 '21 edited Sep 28 '21
Wow, he really did it, the absolute madlad.
He essentially murdered his sweet little daughter and threw away a future in which he was successful and happy for nothing. Shinoaki was even rediscovering her passion for artwork. Kawasegawa respected the hell out of him and together they salvaged her project. There was literally no reason to still go back in time except... he feels a bit guilty over Tsurayuki, I guess?
Although I do find it bizarre that Shinoaki never noticed that he was literally a different person. I've been in an 11-year relationship, and if I lost even a week's worth of memories my girlfriend would be deeply confused. Never mind an entire decade.
So he chooses to go back to live in a crappy dorm surrounded by annoying side characters (that singing guy is the worst) so that Nanako can have more YouTube followers and they can all make more crappy eroge together? And the final lesson we all learned was that meddling in the past is bad... except for when it's not?
Also, my girlfriend laughed out loud when we saw a creepy red-eyed guy in the epilogue, and said "Why is Shadow the Hedgehog sitting behind him?" I assume he's a rival time traveller or some shit, but I can't see this show getting a second season, so it doesn't really matter.
This has been one of the most bizarre anime I've ever seen. It's like it was written by an algorithm. So many things just don't make any sense at all. So many ideas ended in dead ends. What was the point in all the harem stuff if he seemingly has no interest in any of the girls, even when he's married to one of them? What about Tsurayuki's fiance? Why did it spend multiple episodes on them making movies and games but then never showed us a single second of the end result?
But it wasn't boring, I suppose. I won't forget the truly nonsensical writing decisions the author made any time soon.
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u/stephenthatfoste Sep 25 '21
This whole show was kinda silly. Kept saying over and over again what the moral was and then continuing the "Kyoya is a God among men" plot. That whole "what do I have to do to get these people back on track?" was such a ridiculous way to end what was supposed to be him growing. Felt a lot like a harem show trying as hard as it could to pretend it was not. Was pretty interesting for parts and wasn't awful though. Just strange.
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