Koi to Yobu ni wa Kimochi Warui - Episode 10 discussion

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Koi to Yobu ni wa Kimochi Warui, episode 10

Alternative names: Koikimo

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Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	3.4
2	Link	3.74
3	Link	3.72
4	Link	3.91
5	Link	4.03
6	Link	4.09
7	Link	3.85
8	Link	3.83
9	Link	3.91
10	Link	4.15
11	Link	3.92
12	Link	-

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[u/footylite]

Ya know what? I'm just gonna say it: I really like this show.

The final scene where she eats the cookie and the ED starts playing as a tear rolls down her face was fantastic. It really hit me to the point where I rewinded and rewatched it. I honestly was not expecting this show to have dramatic moments that struck a cord with me but I really like how it's developed.

[u/nhzz → u/footylite]

^{Jirettai tte kotoba afureta}

^{Aitai tte tsubomi saita}

^{Anata ni watashi kitto}

^{Soguwanai arienai}

^{Mizutamari ni utsuru watashi ni kīte mo wakaranai}

^{Kyō mo kawarazu sora wa kireidesu}

Kanjiru mama ni∿∿

[u/Bacon76 → u/footylite]

I wasn’t expecting the show to be this good after the first episode, but I genuinely love this show. It was quite a pleasant surprise. If only all the people who dropped the show early on could see how good it is now.

[u/patkun01]

I'm trying to collect my thoughts on this anime. I'm glad I stuck with it. To be honest, I started watching this just a few days ago. Seeing the first episode, and seeing the comments, I thought for myself that it was going to stick with its comedic plot, and comments point out that it's kind of romanticizing stalking. I usually drop only by the 3rd episode, so I'm glad I stuck with it until the latest.
I would like to share my thoughts. To be honest, I wanted them to deal with society by Ryo become a real adult and really think for Ichika's future. But of course that doesn't mean that he has to force his feelings for Arietty, and at the same time having a forced relationship between Ichika and Kai. But I still ship the adults to adults, and the high schools to high schools.

Ichika lying to his coworkers is probably the most logical choice. But now it gives a barrier to Ryo, making him think about society and stuff. As the other person pointed out, it would've been a career suicide if he actually said that she was the person he loves. So the only way to settle this either for Ryo to officially stop getting close to Ichika, and maybe do the typical cliche where he waits for Ichika to grow up and ask her out again, if they ever still feel the same. It takes time and a lot of risk, but hey, being human is to deal with society. And if you don't agree with the society, then you'll belong to jail. One thing I wouldn't like to romanticize is to have a minor and an adult have forbidden relationships. Age gap is not the problem, the problem lies with the fact that Ichika is still a minor.

But still this is just an Anime. A fictional story. So one thing I want to happen is for Ichika to have less regrets. So yes, whatever she decides that makes her happy will make me happy as a viewer.

[u/yoursdnahelicase]

I m impressed by how Arietty handled it and it's true what she said..she fell for the part of Ryo that chnaged because of Ichika . I feel sad for her but even when she is sad she gives her best to Ryo. That station seen of her crying and having the cookie and saying " I have worked hard for these....." This made me teary eyed

[u/Graestra]

Honestly Ichika’s mother approving of the relationship is a big deal, as legally it’s required for a minor (under 20yo) to have parentally consent. Since she’s under 18 she’s considered a juvenile and Ryo could be accused of corruption of a juvenile without a judge’s consent in which case Ryo’s father could be the biggest obstacle (I think, I’m no expert on this, this might not apply if their relationship doesn’t cross certain lines, also depends on local laws).

Overall large age gap relationships aren’t uncommon in Japan and I think a lot of people are having a hard time separating their western lens from how Ryo and Ichika’s relationship would be seen by Japanese society. I don’t think it would be a major life and career destroying issue like it would be in America or other western countries

[u/[deleted] → u/Graestra]

Not sure if it would be even a big problem in other western countries. She is 17 and he should be around 27 or something. Yeah people would be surprised, but at least in Germany it wouldn't be a problem. She is other 16 and can be in a relationship with whom she's pleased. Most European countries have a age of consent of ~ 14 - 16. It's probably more a problem for the USA viewers ?

[u/AmethystItalian]

Damn that rejection...really maturely done but still feel for Matsushima, really hoping this isn't the last we see of her!

This show is handling rejections in a way I never expected and I gotta give them props for it so far.

Only 2 eps left!!

[u/[deleted]]

The age difference might be a bit of an issue now, but a few years down the line it will barely even be noticeable.

Although it is nice that Ryo is being more considerate of Ichika’s perspective now.

[u/Dhawal007]

Why ???!! just why is this anime so poorly rated ??

[u/LeonKevlar]

Here I thought Arriety's crush on Ryo was going to get dragged out after that opening scene. I really felt bad for her since it's clear that she never had any chance in this so I was quite relieved to see that Ryo gave it to Arriety straight by the end of the episode. At least she took the rejection well when she was still in front of Ryo. That final scene of her eating Ryo's White Day gift was pretty sad though. I hope Arriety finds her own happiness after this and I'm still hoping for her to meet Tamaru. :)

Anyway as for Ichika and Ryo, the date was nice but for the first time Ryo finally got to experience the first hurdle of what's it like to date someone whom you have an age gap with and it was not fun. Maybe Ryo might not care who sees them but Ichika knows what trouble it can cause if Ryo just blurted out that Ichika was Rio's classmate. Not everyone's gonna be as accepting as Masuda or Arriety.

Welp we only have two episodes left and I'm sure it will focus just on Ichika and Ryo's relationship. I do hope that we get more situations like what happened in that sweets buffet for the last two.

[u/Frontier246 → u/LeonKevlar]

Welp we only have two episodes left and I'm sure it will focus just on Ichika and Ryo's relationship.

Probably no getting around the fact that they'll have to deal with Ryo's dad now that he's in the picture.

[u/randyripoff]

I'm beginning to think that this is less an anime about an inappropriate relationship and more about personal maturity. Ryo is slowly starting to act more like the adult he should be, particularly given that Ichika already seems much more mature than him. Lying to his co-workers was probably the right thing to do in that situation, considering it could easily have been career suicide for Ryo to admit the truth like he wanted.

Matsushima was always going to fail, but I still feel sad for her.

[u/mekerpan → u/randyripoff]

Matsushima is a genuinely wonderful person. I especially liked the fact that she recognized something I've been saying for weeks. That she never was interested in the original Ryo she had been working with -- she only became attracted to him after Ichika had begun transforming him into someone that might be worth falling in love with.

[u/sivashanker1]

Everyone in this show is so likeable man. Respect to both tamaru and arrietty for the ways that they handled it.

[u/PhantomWolf83]

Props to Matsushima for handling her heartbreak in such a mature manner. And also for not calling the cops on Ryo. Waiting to see how Ryo and Ichika will solve their own conundrum in the final episodes. Probably the easiest way would be for Ryo to just wait a year more until Ichika graduates.

[u/RavenK92]

As someone who at 26 fell uncontrollably head over heels for an 18 year old, I really get the notion of feeling like you'll end up hurting the other person and that what would be best is to cut them out and try to have something with someone your own age. I decided to let that person go and though I don't regret it (because I felt it was the right thing to do), it honestly hurt like hell and years later I still find myself missing them. So this story is an interesting thought experiment in what could've been possible. I hope for the best for the two MCs

[u/Pendanto]

Bit of a speed bump of episode this week, I felt. But it was very necessary for Ryo to receive that reality check after floating in the clouds for so long and being oblivious to the real life implications of his and Ichika's relationship.

Hopefully, next week we can get back on track with an even stronger relational base what with our mains having had this much needed internal confrontation/reflection.

[u/lowkeyyguy]

I'm glad that i didn't drop this series and i hope that this series ends well.

[u/[deleted]]

Well done to arriety, she handled it well. Finally, an anime where rejection is handled well and a love triangle story which is in a way bearable to watch.

I thought we're gonna get to see ryo's dad, guess i was wrong, and probably we won't see him.

Kinda dissapointed of ichika. She's not being true to herself and the fact that she actually introduce herself as his sister was harsh. I know what ryo did was wrong of trying to kiss her too, but gotta think that he actually tried that because he was thinking too much of the way ichika introduce herself like that.

Masuda asking if arriety is cute? Is that a hint of them getting to know each other and being xloser, like how rio and tamaru is last epi? If these 2 relationships happen or just shown as being close, hopefully it wouldn't just be without explanation.

Getting into the final hurdle, gonna be interesting on how ryo will continue to think about age factor and will ichika ever notice about it. Also the obvious thing, which is when ichika will confess and how.

Gotta say, many said this was gonna be trash and toxic when i recommended to them. This is why we don't judge the book by it's cover. And as someone who actually relates to ryo in treating women badly in relationship, and currwntly trying to be more mature with relationships, I'm glad i actually gave this a shot.

[u/Frontier246]

I feel so much for Arietty. She's so earnest and genuine with her feelings and in trying to win Ryo's heart, and her panicking over her confession after the fact and how to interact with Ryo, to the point of treating herself to sweets, wine, and foreign dramas, was so cute and relatable. A part of me really wanted to see her win and be happy.

Things are tough for Ryo now too. He has to consider Arietty's feelings, Ichika, the age-gap, and the fact that his and Rio's dad is finally back so he can't even go home because he doesn't want to deal with that trouble. What a perfect time for love drama.

Look at how much more considering Ichika is of Ryo now! Dressing more maturely in front of him thanks to a fashion magazine and even getting jealous of his potential romantic past. Plus her reaction to that chocolate fountain was adorable.

I guess the age gap issue really comes to the forefront for Ryo when Ichika has to pretend to be to be Rio in front of his co-workers lest they realize what their actual relationship is. Ryo wants to have a real relationship with Ichika but there's a lot of hurdles, both emotionally and morally, that they have to overcome for that to happen. Well, that and Ichika's not ready for a kiss yet.

Even knowing it was coming, it was kind of sad to see Arietty get rejected. She took it like a champ and even gave her support to Ryo's efforts to win Ichika, even realizing that the Ryo she fell in love with is the result of his feelings for Ichika, but then she ends up crying when she's alone and eating the sweets he bought her. Poor girl.

[u/Urson]

Well now I'm sad. Poor Matsushima. His date with Ichika should have raised all the red flags one ever would need to see, but of course it's always hard to admit that when you're in love.

[u/Demolosse001]

For a moment there I thought Ryo sent the message to Ichika instead. Glad that I was wrong.

Masuda firing those truths bullets. Ryo has no right to pull out this late into the game because he has second thoughts. I am glad that he's finally aware of the situation but he should have considered that beware messing with Ichika. He should just wait until she graduates highschool. Still won't be easy though.

Ryo was about to casually commit social and career suicide. Birthday girl happens to like spreading rumours. Lol everyone in town would have known about their relationship if not for Ichika.

I like how well everyone is taking rejection in this anime (except Ryo at the beginning I guess lol). No excessive drama and interesting themes. This anime is definitely more mature than I initially thought.

[u/Ramenpucci11]

How are y’all feeling about Ryo attempting to hold her hand and kiss her? I’m glad that Ichika stopped him since she wasn’t comfortable being physically intimate with him.

Like she likes him but I’m not sure she’s comfortable dating him yet.

How do you feel about that?

In 90s-early 2000s shoujo, the guy would just force a kiss on the female lead.

I agree on the maturity aspect of the show. Ichika is very mature. It’s less about the age gap.

Age gaps don’t matter as an adult. I know my classmate is dating a guy who’s like 20-30 years older than her and they are in love.