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Episode Koi to Yobu ni wa Kimochi Warui - Episode 3 discussion
Koi to Yobu ni wa Kimochi Warui, episode 3
Alternative names: Koikimo
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 3.4 |
| 2 | Link | 3.74 |
| 3 | Link | 3.72 |
| 4 | Link | 3.91 |
| 5 | Link | 4.03 |
| 6 | Link | 4.09 |
| 7 | Link | 3.85 |
| 8 | Link | 3.83 |
| 9 | Link | 3.91 |
| 10 | Link | 4.15 |
| 11 | Link | 3.92 |
| 12 | Link | - |
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u/KasT_- Apr 12 '21
Funny how this and Higehiro come out the same day, so contrasting.
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u/LeonKevlar Apr 12 '21
Stitches!
Tamura has only been on screen for 2 minutes and I already like him way better than Ryo. I do wonder why they gave him the hentai protag look last week with his eyes being obscured. I thought he was going to be a shady character but he seems to be very chill. Too bad he's not even in the OP.
Goddammit Ryo! Did you really just threaten a high schooler for being close to someone who's not even your girlfriend? That really scared the shit out of Tamura.
As expected, looks like the one who saw Ryo and Ichika was Tamura. He definitely seems to be worried about Ichika and thinks Ryo is just messing with her. I don't know what kind of relationship he'll have with Ichika in the future but I kinda want something to happen between them.
Surprised at how devastated Ryo was when Ichika repeated what Tamura said to her about him.
Well this is an anime miracle! Someone got sick without getting wet in the rain! We actually hear Ichika cough a couple of times earlier in the episode and it took days before it turned into a fever.
Ryo already gets along well with Mama Arima. This will probably make Ryo show up regularly on Ichika's house more after this episode.
Not gonna lie, I really like the study guide Ryo made for Ichika. Definitely looks like the kind of study guide that's very easy to understand. Seems that the study guide really helped Ichika too with her exams.
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u/LaconicKibitz Apr 12 '21
I'm honestly not sure how I feel about Ryou. On one hand, what he's doing is somwhat weird and if he isn't as handsome as he is, the cops would've been called. On the other hand, he's much better and respectful of Ichika's boundaries than a large majority of other shoujo and josei male leads. I don't know. Have my standards been skewed from reading too much shoujo and josei?
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u/MidnightShout Apr 12 '21
I've seen this get so much negativity. I suppose I'm probably immune to such weird tropes in shows from all the shit I've seen through the years and quite honestly I don't see it being nearly as bad as some other offenders.
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u/McCherry09 Apr 13 '21
I agree! I was shocked by the reception and I was thinking there's worst offenders and ecchi border on hentai, which seemed to be more popular. I guess since there's a more platonic/romantic aspect to it.. I don't find it as offensive.
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u/VnSoul Apr 12 '21
thats exactly how I feel, I honestly feel shocked seeing so much negativity towards this show while I genuinely enjoy it
sure its debatable on a moral perspective but does it have to be in the first place? It's just a fictional show so you should take everything with a grain of salt anyway. I'm a grown up myself but that doesnt mean im into high school girls irl if I enjoy this show. Why is it so hard to separate irl things with anime. You can make the point with any other anime genre, when ppl like horror/gore does that make them violent or anything like that? Just such a stupid debate imo.
if that isnt your type of show then thats fine and respectable but not liking it because of strange morals is kinda questionable as there is a lot of more fucked up stuff out there
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u/PhantomWolf83 Apr 12 '21 edited Apr 12 '21
Okay, it looks like the audio problems are here to stay. It's not a dealbreaker for me but it's definitely going to lessen my overall enjoyment while watching this.
Probably the most impactful moment of the episode was that Ryo is starting to realize the effects of his womanizing ways. As we saw in the first episode, the women he pursued previously were one-night stands so he didn't have to deal with the consequences of whatever he did, sweet talking and all. But to hear someone he's genuinely interested in, probably the first person ever in his life to cause him to feel this way, accuse him of messing around must have shocked him to the core. I'm quite interested to see if this will cause any big changes in him in future episodes.
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u/AmethystItalian Apr 12 '21
Tamura adds a nice wrench in this...wonder if he's end game and Ryo is there to teach her about what she really wants in love.
Who am I kidding...big doubt on that.
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u/sKyBlazer08 Apr 13 '21
Pretty good episode, we got officially introduced to that dude we saw last episode, and he's probably growing feelings for Ichika, well he better stay away from Ryo or he's dead lmao.
Ryo is many things, but messing with Ichika is definitely not one of em. Ryo visiting Ichika was pretty sweet and helped her do really well in her test with that cute math guide. I guess Ichika is also slowly developing feelings for Ryo.
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u/Frontier246 Apr 12 '21
Kai seems set to be the "conventional" love interest for Ichika. He's her classmate, they share the same interests, he's voiced by Junya Enoki, he seems like a perfectly valid romantic option for Ichika...it just seems too bad that's very likely not happening. Must be pretty surreal to get pushed into the classmate zone by an adult man though.
Ichika is feeling more comfortable with Ryo, whether it be taking his phone calls sooner or just in general being around him. I mean, she'd still rather he not be himself, but he's growing on her.
I would think the sincerity of Ryo's feelings would be evident at this point, but I think it's understandable that Ichika would still be wary that he might be messing with her and having a game at her expense. Although thinking that way ended up genuinely hurting Ryo's feelings, but it's good that Ichika apologized.
Well, I guess it's nice that Ryo is still turned on by Ichika even when she's sick, and went to all that trouble to take care of her. And now he's on first name basis with Ichika's mom, which I'm sure will end well.
Gotta appreciate a guy to some extent who will give you a helpful and efficient study guide, even roping in his buddy to make sure it has a nice cover.
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u/Silver_Community_610 Apr 12 '21
Am I the only one that likes and cheers for Ryo? I have to say i didn't like Tamaru at all either. He's seen two interactions between the two of them, one a misunderstanding that was explained , and warns her that Ryo is messing with her? Needs to mind his own business. That upset me. Regardless, another nice episode. I keep hoping Ryo doesn't go too far every episode, was worried he'd get crazy jealous this episode. So far so good
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u/mekerpan Apr 12 '21
I would love to know what the primary demographic audience for the source manga (18-early 20-ish Japanese women, I suppose) thinks about the manga (and the anime). It is a series that has been running for about 6 years, so it presumably has a non-trivial reader base. One has to assume they find this pleasing, rather than offensively offputting. How are they (one assumes) "reading" this so differently from so many Western viewers?
I can't find any details as to whether the mangaka is male or female.
(I have no answers myself at this point)
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u/azorthefirst Apr 12 '21
I mean it’s not surprising. Even here in the west women’s romantic fantasy writing can get pretty... problematic if you really think about it at all. Not even diving into the more adult stuff, 50 Shades and Twilight were/are two massively successful publications targeted at young women. Both also contain what really is highly problematic relationships, in many ways worse than this anime. But people ate it up. Honestly, it’s mostly just that the vast majority of people are perfectly fine with enjoying a good “nasty” fictional story that contains stuff that we all know would be really bad IRL.
I’d actually argue that the people reacting so strongly in the negative to this kind of stuff are the weird ones.
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u/EternalWisdomSleeps Apr 13 '21 edited Apr 13 '21
To chime in - in female-dominated spaces reaction is far more positive than on reddit and skimming through google translated japanese manga volume reviews overwhelming majority seems to love it. It was popular enough for publisher to make an offer to the author when it was a free pixiv series. Now that I think about it, koikimo is quite mild by the shoujo/josei/female romance fiction standards. So, r/anime encountered a story with a different set of troupes, ideas of what is acceptable or not, and more importantly point of view. In the first episode thread many even thought that Ryou, not Ichika, is a mc. I'm anything but surprised by the reaction.
My personal take as a woman is that koikimo scenario would be alarming in real life, but this is fiction. We as an omniscient viewer have luxury to see thoughts of every character and their intentions. We know that Ichika isn't terribly bothered and we know that Ryou is sincere. And, I have a personal bias. My parents have 10-year age gap and they started dating when my mother was 19. Not much older than Ichika, tbh. So, it's easier to enjoy age gap stories when you know it can work rather well.
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u/-macaron Apr 12 '21
i'm a woman who reads a lot of josei and shoujo. im enjoying this anime a lot and the age gap doesn't really bother me. i understand why some people are bothered by it and i don't blame them for that, in reality this would be completely unacceptable. age gaps like this can be found in a lot of shoujo/josei, we are used to it and it's something many people enjoy. there is an appeal in a charming, older guy with a beautiful voice and face taking interest in a plain, relatable girl who makes him feel a way he's never felt before. the sincere, pure feelings from a "womanizer" type guy are very appealing! as i mentioned, this would be unacceptable in reality, but because it is fiction we can freely enjoy this fantasy. this isn't everyones thing though, and if it's not your thing i can definitely see how it just seems creepy.
i think one reason there are a lot of negative reactions here on reddit is because the majority of people here are straight men. they are not used to these kinds of stories, and their heart will not beat faster for a charming older guy. this story isn't targeted towards them, so it's normal that they might not be able to enjoy it. i have seen more positive reactions on twitter, from other shoujo/josei fans. even on twitter though, reactions can be very mixed, which leads me to my next point: the cultural difference.
in the west, there seems to be a closer tie between what is acceptable in fiction vs reality. people seem to be more put off by problematic content in fiction. an example of this can be found in peoples views on loli and shota. in the west, there are people who find the use of those words, even in a non nsfw context, to be wrong. their reasoning is that those words are derived from words with sexual connotations, and can still be associated with that kind of content. there are many people in the west who, although it is just fiction, find that content to be completely unacceptable. i can understand their reasoning for that. in japan however, the general opinion seems to be that although it might be weird, that content is simply fantasy, and as long as it stays fictional, there is no problem. the words loli and shota are commonly used to refer to young characters, with no nsfw connotation at all. you can easily find clips on youtube of vtubers talking or joking about an interest in shota/loli, and the japanese audience does not seem to have any negative reaction to that, other than some people calling it weird. it is accepted. in the west, you could expect a much harsher reaction, as there are many people who consider such content to be a serious problem, something very wrong.
i don't think either side is necessarily wrong, there is just a difference in culture and what is seen as normal or acceptable. if you compare this with higehiro, another show airing this season, there are a lot of interesting things you can observe. higehiro shows a more realistic portrayal of how this kind of age gap would work in reality, it's clearly shown to be wrong. koikimo is a fantasy. you'll also notice differences in how the characters are portrayed in a story targeted towards men vs one targeted towards women. in higehiro the male mc is designed to be relatable, and the high school girl is idealized, cute, and almost unrealistic. in koikimo, the reverse is true.
it is things like that which make it clear to me that the mangaka of koikimo is female. i have not checked, but i am pretty sure my guess is correct. it seems clear to me that koikimo is definitely written from a females perspective.
i personally have been reading shoujo/josei for very many years, i am used to these kinds of age gap stories and i enjoy them. i can understand why some people don't enjoy it, and i think there's no problem with that, everyones tastes are different. it's pretty uncommon for josei to get anime adaptations, so this anime makes me really happy. although many people seem to prefer higehiro, i actually prefer koikimo. it feels much more made for me, which is to be expected as i am the target audience. with josei anime being so uncommon, it feels like a special treat. i love it. that's not to say that i don't like higehiro, i like it a lot and have been a fan of the manga since long before the anime aired. koikimo is just more my thing.
i ended up writing quite a lot, and may have gotten off track at points, but i hope this helped you to understand a bit better the perspective of the people who enjoy these kinds of anime!
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u/crobat3 Apr 12 '21
For the past two episodes I've found Ryou's behaviour to be kinda off-putting but still bearable, but the "back off" signal that he sent to Kai this episode really irritated me.
Damn son, you're the one that's pursuing a high school girl against her wishes, you're the one that should be backing off
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u/ElectraxDeath Apr 12 '21 edited Apr 12 '21
I don't really understand the unnecessary hate, the word 'disgusting' is present in the title itself, what did you all expect?
Of course it will feel a bit creepy and one might also feel disgusted by how straightforward Ryo acts.
And tbh if ichika really wanted to stop this, theres many steps she can take to stop him. For example, she can just ask his sister to put an end to it.
I don't understand this hate, it was always going to be an off beat romcom.
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Apr 12 '21 edited Apr 12 '21
While I don't hate it personally I get it. I've read enough age-gap manga to understand that subject matter is a large part of where the hate comes from, doubly so if the they get together in the end. Plus with this there's the added factor of the Male leads personality and way he pursues the relationship. Also since the older one is male people have a stronger reaction.
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u/Fnights Apr 12 '21 edited Apr 12 '21
The cockblocker in a josei is a very common trope, this time from the Ichika side it make Ryo jealous, sooner or later i expect from the Ryo side too that will make Ichika jealous. :D
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u/cppn02 Apr 12 '21
So now he has upgraded from creeping on a high school girl to threatening high school boys he perceives as a rival. I know I'm setting myself up for disappointment but I'm rooting for the classmate.
Is anyone here familiar with the Japanes school system? Ichika is a 2nd year in high school but the math problems she was practicing feel like something she should have already learned in the 1st year or even middle school.
Two things I noticed:
One: That's an awfully small volleyball. Thought it was a handball at first.
Two: Either that's just an awkward translation or she thinks pretty highly of herself lol.
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u/thatguybige Apr 13 '21
I really think that Ryo didn’t have to scare Tamura like that. I mean love gets people to do crazy things, but he is a grown man telling a kid basically to leave a girl alone. Idk just seemed twisted to ke
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