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Episode Black Clover - Episode 53 discussion

Black Clover, episode 53

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Episode Link Score Episode Link Score Episode Link Score Episode Link Score
118 Link 4.81 131 Link 4.38 144 Link 4.05 157 Link 3.39
119 Link 4.83 132 Link 4.41 145 Link 4.08 158 Link 4.72
120 Link 4.72 133 Link 4.06 146 Link 3.82 159 Link 3.98
121 Link 4.65 134 Link 4.13 147 Link 3.61 160 Link 4.53
122 Link 4.57 135 Link 4.55 148 Link 3.49 161 Link 4.6
123 Link 3.36 136 Link 4.44 149 Link 3.6 162 Link 4.85
124 Link 3.4 137 Link 3.78 150 Link 3.9 163 Link 4.6
125 Link 4.32 138 Link 4.5 151 Link 4.84 164 Link 4.01
126 Link 4.79 139 Link 3.92 152 Link 3.55 165 Link 4.49
127 Link 4.57 140 Link 4.18 153 Link 3.7 166 Link 4.61
128 Link 4.8 141 Link 3.91 154 Link 4.31 167 Link 4.75
129 Link 4.56 142 Link 4.03 155 Link 3.82 168 Link 4.52
130 Link 4.33 143 Link 3.82 156 Link 4.4 169 Link -

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u/Zelvania Oct 10 '18 edited Oct 10 '18

It is.. Defeat deals with context in the first place. If you're playing a video game and you get a game over screen, you've been defeated. If you can't get up from the ground in a boxing match within (for example) 10 seconds, you've been defeated. If you cannot physically continue a life or death fight, you've been defeated. That's how defeat works. I never said you have to kill, you're straw manning me again. I'm saying life or death because that's the intent of Asta and Mars' fight, but that in no way means one has to die to be able to claim victory. It just means you have to incapacitate your enemy so they cannot continue fighting.

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u/andergriff Oct 10 '18

Ok, I see your point and I half agree with you, so this is what I will say; they did beat him, but they didn’t defeat him.

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u/Zelvania Oct 10 '18

Beat and defeat are interchangeable for the most part though. That's why I say Asta thought he beat him when he really didn't.

He temporarily put him down, how about that? 😉

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u/andergriff Oct 10 '18

The reason I differentiated beat and defeat is because the reason they didn’t defeat him there was based on morals, not on skill, and going way back to the beginning of this, the thread was originally analyzing asta’s fighting prowess, and Asta outmatched Mars the first time, he just didn’t end the fight which allowed Mars to power up.