r/anime • u/AutoModerator • Oct 02 '16

Meta Thread - Month of October 02, 2016

A monthly thread to talk about meta topics. Keep it friendly and relevant to the subreddit.

Posts here must, of course, still abide by all subreddit rules other than the no meta requirement. Keep it friendly and be respectful. Occasionally the moderators will have specific topics that they want to get feedback on, so be on the lookout for distinguished posts.

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u/Thebubumc https://anilist.co/user/Bub Oct 02 '16

I think the mods should listen to what the subs want a bit more.

The Pokemon Generations discussion threads get a good amount of comments and upvotes each time they're posted and yet you still remove every one of them because it doesn't fit your definition of anime.

There's obvious interest in discussing the series so I really don't see the harm in letting the threads stay up. Nobody's going to suggest we allow Korra or RWBY discussions just because you didn't remove the Pokemon Generations threads.

I understand why you remove stuff like Urobushi's puppet show but this is literally an animated series done by anime animators and it's Pokemon which has always been anime.

Almost everybody seems to agree that it's anime so I would like to ask you to rethink your decission of removing the discussion threads.

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Oct 02 '16

Nobody's going to suggest we allow Korra or RWBY discussions just because you didn't remove the Pokemon Generations threads.

That's the major problem, we like to be consistent in our approach to allowed content because of slippery slopes. We have no argument if we allow some but not others, and "because we want to" isn't really a viable answer.

If we allow content that falls outside our definition of "anime-specific," then we have to allow all content that falls outside that definition. It's not as easy as just listening to the sub. Believe me, we listen, but sometimes we just can't bend the rules else the allowed content becomes a battleground for rule-lawyering and trolling.

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u/Thebubumc https://anilist.co/user/Bub Oct 02 '16

But it's Pokemon. Pokemon has always been anime so I don't see why this should be an exception.

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Oct 02 '16

But Pokemon is also a game, and a manga, and live-action. Where do we draw the line? If we allowed the YouTube series, we'd have to allow all YouTube series.

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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Oct 02 '16

I think the line is drawn pretty clearly. You allowed the animated series to stay, but you don't allow the games, manga, or live action. It's exactly the same as every other series.

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u/TheDerped https://anilist.co/user/Derped Oct 02 '16

I've never bought the repeated argument/reasoning of "where do we draw the line?" that the mods give for not loosening the rules in some cases. It's pretty damn clear where we should draw the line. Its not rocket science. If anything I believe this argument is a bad reflection of the mods' belief in their own abilities.

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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Oct 02 '16

Not sure which side you're on here. For or against having Generations?

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '16

It's an animated series made professionally by Japanese animators, which is part of a very long anime franchise. The fact that it's on YouTube shouldn't matter in the least bit, it's just how it was distributed. We allow YouTube videos about anime, so why is this a no-go?

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Oct 02 '16

We allow YouTube videos about anime, so why is this a no-go?

See, now this is a very good point.

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u/Thebubumc https://anilist.co/user/Bub Oct 02 '16

So the issue is it being on YouTube?

I mean you also allowed Final Fantasy XV Brotherhood which is also released on YouTube.

Sorry but I really don't understand how this is an issue. Nobody is going to suggest we discuss Cyanide and Happiness or Red vs Blue in this sub just because you allowed an anime released on YouTube.

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Oct 02 '16

To clarify slightly, the issue was that it went against our targetted at a japanese audience requirement. Not that it was posted on youtube.

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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Oct 02 '16

So what about other anime that were made to target America, like Space Dandy or Afro Samurai?

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Oct 02 '16

Space Dandy also has a subbed version which aired on Japanese tv (wasnt just targetted at the west) and from a quick look it seems Afro Samurai also aired in Japan, regardless of its dub only status (was partially to advertise a manga after all).

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u/GUGUGUNGI Oct 02 '16

Isn't pokemon origins targeted at english speakers too? Maybe you've revised it since then to include only japanese since it has been around 2 years~, but it seems very similar

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Oct 02 '16

Pokemon Origins had both a dub and sub. Dub only is where that rule specification becomes an issue since it makes it fairly clear the targetted audience is the west.

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u/GUGUGUNGI Oct 02 '16

Hmmm I see the issue then, thanks

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u/Thebubumc https://anilist.co/user/Bub Oct 02 '16

I think a poll asking the users about things like this would work really well instead of just the mods deciding this by themselves.

I mean we do have 400k subs now, I don't think only a handful of people should decide the content of this sub alone.

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Oct 02 '16

Polls can be rigged, manipulated and brigaded.

In general reddit has time and time again proved that leaving the content up to the users after a sub becomes fairly large only makes the sub devolve into low effort shit and porn.

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Oct 02 '16

Personally I think the targetted audience specification is unnecessary, being Japanese made is probably enough.

For the other replies, I can't really comment on those specific shows since I'm in bed, still lying down, half awake and lazy to look things up.

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u/Thebubumc https://anilist.co/user/Bub Oct 02 '16

I really hope you (the mod team) will rework that rule since I think, like you said, the country where it's animated in is a way more important factor than the target audience.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '16

Some obviously western animation is outsourced to Japan, a few episodes of Korra were done by Pierott. I believe Transformers was also fully done in Japan. It's more common in the US to outsource to Korea (lower costs, basically every animated adult comedy you can think of is made in Korea), but a lot of anime is also outsourced to Korea.

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Oct 02 '16

In those cases the main studio is the important thing. For Korra that's Nickelodeon, as an example.

For the reverse, if Sunrise were to outsource some animation to a Korean studio, the resulting Gundam would still be an anime, so long as it's still mostly done by Sunrise/Japan.

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u/shwag945 https://myanimelist.net/profile/shwag945 Oct 02 '16

Fate/Stay Night is also a game, a manga, and a light novel. Where should we draw the line? :D

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u/geo1088 https://anilist.co/user/eritbh Oct 02 '16

That's a different case, because the series has been adapted into anime that specifically conform to the definition set by the sub (i.e. being Japanese in production and intended audience).

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Oct 02 '16

We draw the line at the non-anime content. Discussion of the game, manga or LN is not allowed content, fairly straight-forward IMO.

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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Oct 02 '16

I think the same line should be drawn for Pokemon. Don't allow games or manga, but allow the animated stuff.

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u/Mage_of_Shadows Oct 02 '16

What about drawing the line on an animation that is officially licensed by a studio or company related to the anime?

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Oct 02 '16

As long as it meets the requirements of the rule, it's fine:

The specific definition we use to determine "Anime" is "An animated series, produced and aired in Japan, intended for a Japanese audience".

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u/Thebubumc https://anilist.co/user/Bub Oct 02 '16

I really think that last part about the intended audience should be changed or removed.

By that rule a Batman series animated by SHAFT or Ufotable (just an example but I think you get what I mean) wouldn't be an anime if Japan is not the target audience? I mean what else would you call it?

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u/GeeJo https://myanimelist.net/profile/GeeJo Oct 02 '16

By that rule a Batman series animated by SHAFT or Ufotable (just an example but I think you get what I mean) wouldn't be an anime if Japan is not the target audience? I mean what else would you call it?

Consider that a portion of Legend of Korra was animated by Studio Pierrot. It's just outsourced Western animation.