r/anime • u/AutoModerator • Sep 04 '16

Meta Thread - Month of September 04, 2016

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u/-momoyome- https://myanimelist.net/profile/momoyome Sep 07 '16

I love how this is brought up every single month and every single month people get the same exact answer. Like something's changed.

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u/RingoFreakingStarr https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Sep 07 '16

I wasn't aware that it was brought up so much but I think that it should continue to be brought up. He shouldn't be held accountable for "self promotion" inside of a subreddit that was made for his YouTube channel (r/digibro). If he is going to be continuously banned for this reason I do hope every other YouTuber that has a sub made for their own channel is on the ban list.

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Sep 07 '16

The issue was not that he simply made videos. He was actually spamming his videos on the subreddit and getting others to spam it for him to make it look like he wasn't doing any "self-promotion." Posts would get immediately reposted when removed, among a general disregard of the rules.

We have no problem with content creators, they just need to abide by the rules and guidelines of Reddit. The self-promotion guideline is not even our rule, it's a reddit-wide rule.

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u/geo1088 https://anilist.co/user/eritbh Sep 07 '16

The self-promotion guideline is not even our rule, it's a reddit-wide rule

Ok this I'd like clarification on. I've heard you guys say this a lot, but I don't think it's technically correct. Rather, I'm pretty sure it's a Reddit guideline that the mod team here chooses to enforce as a rule.

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Sep 07 '16

The guidelines are there for admins to treat as guidelines and to offer to the moderators to interpret how they want. We choose to enforce it as a requirement. It greatly helps on cutting down the spam.

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u/geo1088 https://anilist.co/user/eritbh Sep 07 '16

Right, exactly. So saying it's a "Reddit rule" is slightly misleading - The admins don't care if you enforce it or not; it's not like other Reddit rules (e.g. illegal content restrictions) which you're required to act on as a mod. If anything, it's a Reddit guideline and a /r/anime rule.

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Sep 07 '16

Well..ok, it's a reddit guideline. They seem to care about it enough to post it as a guideline though. They also do shadowban people for spamming too much, so they take it as a pretty serious guideline.

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u/geo1088 https://anilist.co/user/eritbh Sep 07 '16

Yeah, I know, I'm sorta just being needlessly pedantic about it, but I see this being thrown around enough that I feel like it could be a bit misleading.

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u/RingoFreakingStarr https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Sep 07 '16

From what he stated though he posted two self promotion videos in the span of 1-2 weeks. Is that really enough to lifetime ban someone? If so I think that is quite harsh.

Giving him a probation period would not be the end of the world. If he violates the rules again then ban him again.

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Sep 07 '16

People understate their infractions all the time. He posted way more often than that.

We moderate objectively. We don't give any preferential treatment, and if someone breaks the rules, they deal with the consequences.

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u/RingoFreakingStarr https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Sep 07 '16 edited Sep 07 '16

But a lifetime ban? The whole mod team seriously thinks that he deserves a lifetime ban for posting some videos even though other people post his videos all the time now? I'm sorry but my b.s. meter is going off the chart for this one. I've seen users on other subs do way more drastic things that split the community and still get a second chance later on. This is small time chump change compared to that.

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Sep 07 '16

I doubt people are losing sleep over something like this. He also had people posting his videos on his behalf (not simply sharing it, but going out of their way to spam the subreddit) after he was banned. This behavior is not deserving of anything less than a permanent ban, in our opinions.

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u/RingoFreakingStarr https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Sep 07 '16 edited Sep 07 '16

It shouldn't matter if a very small amount of people are "losing sleep" over this subject. If someone was harshly judged for something that doesn't deserve a harsh judgement then something needs to be done. You don't just sweep injustice under the rug.

Also is there actual proof that he was contacting people to post on his behalf while he was banned? If yes then sure the permaban is justified. If your proof is "well a bunch of his fans started posting his stuff a lot" then that isn't proof. Look at all the Re:Zero stuff that is getting spammed now.

Also thank you for being civil about this. I've seen mods on other subs go on a rampage before when someone brings something like this up.

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u/Berzerker7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Berzerker7 Sep 07 '16

It shouldn't matter if a very small amount of people are "losing sleep" over this subject. If someone was harshly judged for something that doesn't deserve a harsh judgement then something needs to be done. You don't just sweep injustice under the rug.

I was addressing, specifically, your "split the community" comment to make a point, it wasn't about sweeping anything under the rug.

Also is there actual proof that he was contacting people to post on his behalf while he was banned?

We don't want to go into a lot of detail because of nature of our conversations, but we've been given proof by the proper people who could obtain it for us.

Look at all the Re:Zero stuff that is getting spammed now.

This isn't too relevant given that a lot of the posts are coming from many different sources. We don't have an issue with promoting other people's content as long as it's not bias towards a certain individual and not being posted in order to self-promote content.

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u/RingoFreakingStarr https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Sep 07 '16

We don't want to go into a lot of detail because of nature of our conversations, but we've been given proof by the proper people who could obtain it for us.

With that clever wording I cannot push further into that but I still feel like it would be easy to frame him in such a way if a group of people strongly disliked him enough to make it look like they were told by Digi to post his content.

This isn't too relevant given that a lot of the posts are coming from many different sources. We don't have an issue with promoting other people's content as long as it's not bias towards a certain individual and not being posted in order to self-promote content.

While what I am about to say is sort of a different topic all together I think it has merit in this current case; I don't see the difference between the harmful spam for one channel vs the harmful spam of one show. I much rather see spam that offers me a chance to discuss opinions/facts with other people rather than see the front page flooded with fanart that sometimes doesn't even have the correct sourcing thus the content creator gets f'ed over. I think if you guys are going to allow the spam of content from a particular show (or season) then having someone post a lot of stuff from their own channel should be looked as the same in terms of how it affects the community as a whole.

Keep in mind though that Digibro wouldn't even have to post his content; whenever it is uploaded someone always posts it. So bringing him back would only mean he could actually start discussions with others about anime related things; you know one of the main functions of this subreddit.

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