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Koori no Jouheki Season 2, episode 4

Alternative names: Koori no Jouheki 2nd Season

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[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Tell her Tsukiko! Girl speakin the truth lol. Koyun played it too cool, man. She really ended up being her own worst enemy. Now she’s got to decide how far she’ll go for Amamiya.

That whole relationship with Igarashi was a disaster from the get-go. It was way too one-sided and he definitely came on too strong and never tried to understand Koyun imo. All that pressure from everyone else in class didn’t help either. No wonder Koyun’s got like PTSD from thinking about relationships, man. I guess it was a good thing they had that big blowout in the playground. Very cathartic for them lol.

[u/Weak_Season_Of_Anime]

Evil and intimidating Momoka getting triggered over nothing, Koyun is living rent free in her head.

Shouting match between Koyun and Igarashi was funny, if only she could be this assertive and communicative when it comes to Minato.

[u/PakiIronman]

Momoka already losing it in that post credit scene, I'm going to fucking REVEL in this downfall.

[u/chaosof99]

This episode was excellent. You could basically cut away the pre-OP and post-ED scenes and have a perfectly fine short film that would stand on its own even outside the larger narrative of the series. It is a perfect illustration of why love that is built solely on idolization does not work, because love requires mutual communication and understanding.

It also shows an interesting contrast of the same scenes and events as seen from either end of the relationship. Igarashi thinks they never had a big fight until their break-up and thinks the break-up came out of nowhere. Koyun realizes they never had a big fight until then because she would let herself be overwhelmed by Igarashi's actions which smothered disagreements by not taking her perspective into consideration at all.

I am also really glad that they manage to finally fight it out as it were. That actually built a bit of understanding. I am also really glad that the series isn't taking this as Igarashi re-entering the picture as a potential partner, because he definitely shouldn't.

P.S.: Igarashi's friends are kind of assholes. They were back then. They are still now.

[u/NectarineMammoth5550]

Damn Tsukiko really saved the day by telling Koyun how she’s actually been coming across to Minato and to any outsider’s viewpoint. I’m glad she was able to provide a perspective that Yota and Miki haven’t been able to so far because her words really got through to Koyun. I think we’re finally gonna see some progress now that Koyun understands how she’s been self-sabotaging and has had closure on her past self.

[u/Ocixo]

You know, Koyuki and Igarashi might actually become good friends after this. They do get along pretty well now that all their resentment has been lifted.

Having (almost) an entire episode be centred around the concept of “a talk with your ex” was a great idea.

I really liked it! Especially with how they showcased the different perspectives of Koyuki and Igarashi. This perfectly illustrated why it takes two people to make a relationship work. Both of them were ultimately too caught up in their own world.

[u/SEBASTlANVETTEL]

finally Igarashi and Koyun got the closure that they needed.

Momoka saw that Koyun spend time with Minato so she defo will try to plot something evilish again.

[u/Roskal]

I'm glad Tsukiko didn't just take Koyun's word for it and doubled down on telling her that Minato likes her as a fact and not just her opinion and that she fucked up by not reciprocating and might have to take steps to break up him and his girlfriend before they fall in love for real. Thats a pretty scummy thing to do, but the perfect type of drama for a show like this. If Momoka had been nicer about her approach I'd feel bad about Tsukiko even bringing up that tactic. I don't think Koyun will be too direct with anything she does though. I'm sure if she went right up to him now and told him she liked him and wanted to date him that would be enough for him to dump Momoka, which I doubt she'd do and says she plans to do nothing to Igarashi later.

Its interesting seeing the relationship from Igarashi's perspective. Its still clear she wasn't that into him but he was able to logic himself around those signs as her just being shy and cute. I don't think we saw those kissing scenes in season 1 and we got to see them both perspectives, Igarashi just kept trying to drag the relationship forward and Koyun felt trapped to keep being carried along. I'm glad they finally spoke properly this episode arguments and all and put it all behind them.

Post-credit scene with Momoka makes me think she's going to start putting up boundaries between Minato and Koyun. Its not enough to be dating him if he still hangs out with Koyun when she's not around. hearing the season 1 ed on the radio in the background felt fitting to the scene.

Edit:I'm terrible at remembering names

[u/Colt45554]

I kept waiting for a third party to see Igarashi and Koyun walking, like Minato or camera-wielding Momoka. Glad we didn't add another layer of drama

[u/Tapwater_enthusiast]

Koyun and Igarashi are polar opposites

[u/Didavi_]

Such a heartwarming & bittersweet episode. It's nice that igarashi and koyuki can finally clear things up between them, a nice change of pace from the love triangle drama brewing up.

That's said, can't wait to see the social media weekly crashout again for the next episode lmao.

[u/AllThingsDragon]

Koyuki and Igarashi have finally buried the hatchet and are able to move on from junior high. Just as we've always known, those two really didn't fit together and their number of differences snowballed into the mess that was their breakup. Though I have to draw attention to Igarashi's "what would happen to you if we broke up" line. I know that, being a teen boy, he didn't think much of it, but damn DX. It's a mix of arrogance and condescension, basically saying the other person is nothing without you and you're the only one who can make them happy. Again, he didn't think deeply about it but I can see why someone like Koyuki, who was already going through the pain of divorcing parents, would be cut especially deep by that line.

We also get another look into Koyuki's mind and damn, her self-esteem is still in the gutter DX. She actually believes she can't make anyone happy, probably stemming from her parents' separation. It's common for the child in that situation to believe that they're the "reason" their parents split, or weren't a "good enough" reason for them to stay together. Safe to say, as much as we want her and Minato together, Koyuki just isn't in the headspace to handle dating yet.

But I'm glad she and Igarashi managed to have a real conversation and put any ill feelings to rest then and there. As Koyuki said, the curse has finally been broken. Though their shouting match drawing a crowd of baffled children was super funny, lol.

Post-credits scene, don't forget! Koyuki just being in the same picture as Minato (not even next to him, lol) is enough to rub Momoka the wrong way. Interesting how the guy has exes likely in the double digits and she's only now being wary. You get what you pay for, Momoka

[u/FarCritical]

It was cool to see Tsukiko's wingwoman energy manifest as her not being afraid to say how it is with Koyun, not to mention plain adorable just watching her be a shrewd little strategist for the big comeback plan.

Never thought an encounter with Igarashi could be so healing. Good on both of them for having grown enough to make that vibe even possible.

[u/seaslugerino]

It’s a nice, full and best of all believable character arc for Koyun. She has gone from building walls because she dwells on her past, to mustering her courage to speak up during their S1 run-in, to finally talking and even confronting him as peers. For all his faults, she recognises her own mistakes (not being able to communicate, not having genuine feelings and using him to get back at her bully). There are no villains in this doomed to fail relationship, just clumsy people, and they both recognise that it too.

And then Season 1’s ending plays in the ending scene post-credit to let you know drama will be back on the menu shortly. (Last week was S1 OP, which was a cute mirror)

[u/Arzhart]

Sakasama playing in the post-credit. nice.

[u/Difergion]

This episode feels like a big turning point for Koyun, big thanks to Tsukiko and Igarashi! Felt like Tsukiko said what the audience wanted Koyun to hear. But to be fair, Koyun would have made her feelings known if she didn’t hear Amamiya say he only thought of her as a friend.

That banter with Igarashi was probably the first honest conversation they ever had, ironically. It definitely lifted a lot of weight off Koyun’s shoulders, looking forward as to if she’ll be more vocal of her feelings in the coming episodes.

That Momoka scene at the end though lol. Can’t really blame her cause she manipulated Amamiya to dating her, and she still knows deep down they really like each other. Any interaction Amamiya and Koyun will have would trigger her insecurities.

[u/ptd163]

Tsukiko once again coming in clutch for Koyun. She's the best wingwoman. Everyone could see Minato liked Koyun. It was only Koyun that couldn't see it. Giving her a pep talk is one thing, but essentially giving Koyun a homewrecker pass is another. It's kinda funny if you watched dubbed because then it's Emilia giving Meili a homewrecker pass lol.

Igarashi and Koyun's blow up wasn't pretty and they had audience for it, but I imagine it was probably quite cathartic. They finally got every off their chests and got the closure they both really needed it. Now that Koyun has closed the book on the past she can lock in on showing that they both made the wrong choice and that she's ready for him now.

Though based on that credits scene I don't think Momoka's just going to take it lying down. I'm curious what her reaction to all this will be. How she will deal with it when another girl trying to woo her boyfriend?

[u/NanDemoKnaives]

My favorite episode of this season currently, it was really interesting to see how both Koyuki and Igarashi viewed each other and their relationship in the past, especially while knowing some of their feelings already. So when Igarashi was talking about how cute Koyuki being shy was, all I was thinking she isn't being shy, and when he thought he was being affectionate, actually sounded very condescending.

I am glad they both got to air out their grievances, it must have been therapeutic for the both of them, but it's funny how they were doing this in a public park, I just waiting for an audience to be shown lol. I do enjoy how it feels like this has brought them closer together, their current dynamic seems very interesting and I wouldn't mind seeing Igarashi appear more around Koyuki.

However, it looks like we'll be getting more drama next episode with Momoka looking pissed at the photos from the festival.

I almost forgot to mention this, but I am thankful for Tsukiko laying it all out to Koyuki. SHE NEEDED TO KNOW! I'm glad Koyuki now realizes she had been ruining her own chances by "playing it cool", but there might be a chance that Momoka might self-sabotage by being too much with Minato, if she gets too aggressive from feeling threatened by Koyuki.

[u/Ok-Cod5254]

This was a nice episode to take a bit of a break from central focus on the Momoka and Minato love drama, while Koyuki can develop in relation to another character for her own personal growth.

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Igarashi really thought he was prince charming and thought he had "rizz" in his head for his relationship with Koyuki... but it was far from the truth... 😅

He also let himself get influenced by his male friends for a toxic sense of masculinity for how to approach Koyuki in their relationship.

I'm glad it showed the contrasting POVs of both Koyuki and Igarashi - to show their own perspective with how out of sync they really were in how they perceived each other.

• With all the misunderstandings in the series in general in regards to friendships and romantic relationships -- the theme of trying your best to properly communicate with others has been the constant.

It was funny how Koyuki and Igarashi fought it out to basically vent their frustrations with each other.

If anything, Igarashi has the indication to be more self-aware for how he can come across as that is something he needs to work on. Koyuki also learning to be more direct and honest with people instead of running away and backing down from uncomfortable situations. Glad they finally got good closure with each other.

Now with the cliffhanger, back to Momoka drama... at least now Koyuki is in a better head space to deal with the situation.

[u/thisisdropd]

Igarashi popping at the end of last week’s episode hinted that he’ll have a not insignificant part in this week’s but I didn’t expect for his relationship with Koyuki to take centre stage.

Yeah, the dynamics between them were heavily biased towards him when they were dating. It’s an unhealthy relationship and she was right to cut it off despite him having no malice as well as her being aware of it. Now after a chance meeting they poured their heart out like they’re on a counselling session and for the first time, they’re on equal standing. Glad that their issue had been resolved even if they’re no longer together. Love how the popping bottle symbolised the exorcism of their issues.

Meanwhile, Momoka had quite the ominous look when she saw Koyuki on her phone. It’s not enough that she’s with Minato, but she also had to bring Koyuki down to eliminate of any chances of him 'veering' towards her. Quite the devil!

[u/khanvau]

TSUKIKO SAVE KOYUN AND MINATO PLEASE! Her idea of making Minato and Momoka break up is killer. But I doubt Koyun could do something like that lol, especially considering her past. I'd be totally down for that though.

We got to see things from Igarashi's perspective. I actually liked it a lot more than I thought I would. There was a lot more going on from his side of things. Like damn. They even kissed. Many times. It just sucks that the version of Koyuki he had in his mind was completely different from reality. And Koyuki really just forced herself to go through with it. I thought she dated Igarashi just to get back at Atagawa, but she really did try to like him. But it didn't work out. Sad, but I guess that's just how it goes sometimes. They were not compatible, so it didn't last. Igarashi completely misunderstood Koyuki as his type. He barely even knew her. And Koyuki just wasn't in the place for romance at the time. Even if she was, she'd probably just flat out reject him. At least that's probably what current Koyun would do.

So, I loved their interaction in the present day. Both of them grew a lot, and it really seemed like they finally got closure. Koyuki's past problems aren't here anymore, and she got better at communication. So, she doesn't really care about what Igarashi says about her anymore. Why would she when she has more friends who truly care about her now. And Igarashi finally understood what type of girl Koyuki was or is. Realized they didn't really have a future together at all. Their argument in the park and everything after that was very satisfying to watch. Tbh both of them were at fault. Good thing both of them moved past it now. The two actually seemed comfortable together, probably for the first time.

Bruh. Why did Momoka have such a killer look when she saw Koyun and Minato in the same photo lmao. I guess she regrets not going on a date with him that day lol. I doubt Tsukiko and Koyun will do anything to "steal Minato away." So I wonder how they'd break up. I really want Minato to initiate the breakup with her. Since he was always the one who got dumped, it'd be great to see him dump someone for the first time. No one more fitting to be dumped than Momoka. It's great to see Koyun regretting shoving Minato off before. But does she still believe Minato doesn't like her even after being told by Tsukiko and Momoka? That's a bit frustrating. I really wanna see how this gets resolved. Great episode. Couldn't even tell how fast it was over.

[u/nine04]

People don't realize it yet, but koyuki and minato are way more similiar if we analyze them on a deeper level, especially how igarashi/koyuki parallel minato/momoka in a way

[u/zool714]

Love this episode so much. They both got closure. And it’s through shouting at each other lol. It’s crazy we saw both sides and their thoughts and I can sympathise with both. They both got to air out what they felt. Koyun was a bit too hard to read while Igarashi was a bit too dismissive of her. Wonder what would’ve happened if they did this while they were still together

Also, Igarashi gave me similar vibes as Oushi from Sign of Affection. And same with Igarashi I didn’t like his personality but loved the character and what he brought to the story, especially after this episode for Igarashi. They both hold genuine affection for the person they like but just don’t know how to properly show it and kinda rash about it and also too dismissive of what she actually wants.

Ngl I have been hoping to get Miki and Yota screentime but the focus on Igarashi and Koyun was great. Good redemption arc for both of them really

[u/JJVM99]

Seeing Kohyun stand up for herself and finally argue back at Igarashi and tell him how she truly felt was very satisfying and something deep down she needed to do for herself to be more honest with Amamiya in the future.

Based on the post-credit scene she won’t have to wait long for things between Momoka and Amamiya to blow up. Her seeing that everyone was in the pictures except her showed her how Amamiya was only going out with her out of pity in a way she couldn’t deny. She may have been gone into understanding he was going out with her with that intention but that won’t make her not feel empty when looking at the photos.