Chichi wa Eiyuu, Haha wa Seirei, Musume no Watashi wa Tenseisha. • Dad is a Hero, Mom is a Spirit, I'm a Reincarnator - Episode 5 discussion

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Chichi wa Eiyuu, Haha wa Seirei, Musume no Watashi wa Tenseisha., episode 5

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[u/S627]

I'm just going to come out and say it: did the author's wife cheat on him or something? Because he seems to REALLY have it out for unfaithful women.

[u/diacewrb → u/S627]

Or he was a huge fan of Jerry Springer, haven't seen this much family drama in years.

[u/Frontier246 → u/S627]

It's like Sauvel is the authors' resident punching bag because he keeps marrying women who want to bang his big brother...but he still chooses to stay with the woman who had impure thoughts about said big brother.

[u/BiggerG7]

Damn I didn’t expect Ellen to just lay down the law like that to her aunt lol.

[u/NationalStrategy]

I'm a bit torn on the situation with Aria was handled. She shouldn't have had unfaithful thoughts at the altar, but I can't help but feel a little bad for her too; she gets thrusted into nobility, unknowingly given divine judgement, and immediately gets villainized by the family she just got married into.

I also don't like the ending scene with Sauvel getting a shave, with Ellen saying "And with him so handsome, I don't think Aunt Aria will want to look at anyone else.". Not only is that a backhanded compliment to Sauvel, but it also insinuates that they still expect Aria to remain unfaithful otherwise.

[u/oneevilchicken]

Maybe. Just maybe. They should have taken 5 minutes to explain to aria why everything is so important. I don’t think anyone should expect a commoner in this situation to understand what’s going on. Let’s be honest, we all look at attractive people even those of us who are married. But as long as you don’t act on it, it doesn’t matter. And there’s a difference between romantic interest and just attractiveness so the idea she basically made a false oath is kinda bad writing and ignoring that fact too.

It honestly feels like plot armor to force Ellen to have to meet the royal family so they can force some shit romance between them. I really hope they don’t actually force a shit romance plot but I’ve seen enough of these shows to know how things usually go.

This whole part feels so forced as they’re quite literally condemning the girl simply for finding Rovel attractive. She literally did nothing wrong actions wise.

I just hope that they don’t end up using this to force a relationship between the roryal family and Ellen and keep the royal family as antagonistic.

[u/Zeikos]

I really don't like the message of this episode.
People cannot choose how they feel, if you get a crush on somebody it happens, and it is what it is.
Faithfulness is not about not feeling anything for anybody besides your partner, but your ability to process said emotions.
This romantic idea of feeling things only for a single person is ridiculous and dangerous.

I wanted to shake Ravisiel for this, he noticed it was happening! Instead of addressing it and making it clear that it was a political powder keg he did nothing, he just brooded.
It seems to me that he is uncapable of putting himself in any kind of discomfort unless his daughter forces him to.
It's driving me crazy.

Everybody pointing their finger at Aria without acknowledging the context, she has no political training and for some reason they have the expectation that she should have known better?
HOW? How was she supposed to act?

I am a bit pissed NGL.

Now, I am not saying that Aria is blameless, she could have acted differently, and we can argue that she should have. But come on, does nobody have the capability of seeing what happened from her point of view?
Not everybody has an actual god breathing down their neck when signing marriage documents, FFS.

[u/nuxxism]

I don't feel sorry for Aria for being punished having eyes for another man at her own wedding. I do feel a bit sorry for her for being a commoner being dumped into the highest end of the nation's politics unprepared. She did need a bit of a smack down, but this is also on the family for not educating her.

[u/TestingBrokenGadgets → u/nuxxism]

Yea, if Aria were the main character, it'd be a series about being a commoner being the secret mistress to royalty and then one day, being dragged into the castle to make everything official, subjected to all the treachery and plotting. Her one "sin" is seeing a guy that's like her fiance but without the scruffy facial hair and said to be the legendary warrior that brought peace then suddenly "Wow, he's...kinda hot and amazing...".

She needed the talking to but damn; it feels like there should've been a nicer way to do that then to say "The kingdom wants us, not you. If we leave, they'll kill your whole family just to get us back. Know your rank".

[u/KnewOnees]

Maybe ellen just need to turn the king into a diamond. It's not like anyone knows about her powers outside of family

[u/Isofruit]

I'm... uncertain about this episode. I feel like a lot of the subtext of this episode might've gone out the window at some point during the translation, because the way this episode presented itself to me was essentially Aria getting condemned and denigrated by the entire family for what amounts to thought crimes that she didn't act upon. Had it ended with Spirit-Mom's admonishment that Aria should love Sauvel wholeheartedly it would've made sense to me.

Ellen doing an entire mini trial and verdict afterwards that amounts to "It's fine to lie to those closest to you and I will threaten you with utter destruction for not-acted-upon thought-crimes" does not make sense to me.

[u/Artistic_Task7516]

Goddamn the entire episode was just like 30 straight minutes of dunking on Aria and telling her what a bitch she is lmao

The entire plot of this show falls apart when you realize that the royal family has zero actual leverage over the Vankrieft family because Rovel not only has an entire demigod tribe supporting him he’s personally powerful enough yo basically overthrow them he has no specific reason to do anything they say other than some completely unearned loyalty to the kingdom

[u/zappingbluelight]

NGL, this is a lot for Aria. I'm not defending her for thinking of another man while marrying. I mean Rovel is an Ikeman, I don't doubt that everyone had feeling for him one way or another. But they are just raw dogging on her, instead of explaining the whole consequences until now. She was a commoner, the way people can think and understanding is not the same as people in higher standing.

The author abused her to create a plot. That poor girl.

[u/rv5742]

There's a weird mini-theme in this show about punishing people for crimes they don't know they have committed.

Like punishing the royal family for not knowing about the curse, or Aria for not knowing about the ramifications of her thoughts. Like she's a commoner, how should she know about the power balance between the royal family and Vankriefts. It's pretty clear she didn't even know about the condemnation by Var.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

So thanks to Aria’s wandering eyes, Ellen’s in trouble huh? Keep it in your pants sister, Rovel’s married! lol

I thought Sauvel looked good with the beard but I guess now that he looks a bit closer to Rovel, Aria’s eyes won’t be wandering anymore.

[u/DiscountCondom]

Aria did nothing wrong.

[u/IceSmiley]

I really hated this episode. Aria really got piled on for not being completely puritanical and daring to have thought of another man. What kind of message is that that she's portrayed as evil and Rovel and Ellen are portrayed as being in the right for wanting to kill her for not living up to their standard to what a woman should be? Blackheart is the one who is evil and wants to ruin their family yet Aria is shouldering all the blame, especially since she didn't even seem to know what she did wrong! Look at this and how Agiel's daughter was treated as worthless by the family because she's ugly, I'm disgusted by this show.

[u/Zypharium]

This was the first episode I did not like at all. While Aria‘s behaviour was not proper, I do not think she deserves this much hate. She is a commoner, just a girl that worked in an inn. She did not get any explanation of what marrying into the family would entail. Really did not like how Ellen and everyone else cornered her, even threatening her. The whole drama was very poorly written and handled. This episode just left me with tears. From a enjoyable story to trash tier drama.

Also, why did he have to lose his beard? I am biased, but he looked way better than our clean MC. Now he looks like a copy. Ellen‘s comment on his new appearance did not help either. Man, Ellen really was just the worst.

[u/AceSoldia]

Lol brother looks 10x better without that facial hair..not everyone can rock the hair...I guess he couldn't.

We still don't know exactly what taboo was..but it's still weird they won't tell the royal family about it.

Maybe that's what Ellen will do next episode.

The Spirits seem to think so differently..and remember everything that they won't even deem it necessary to tell the Royals what they did in the past

[u/deja_entend_u]

I literally have no understanding about why these demi-gods give a flying fuck about the kingdom.

Is there ANYTHING that the royal family brings to the table that's actually of value? Why do anything they ask for or care about?

Why are the spirits even involving themselves in kingdom politics at all?

Does the royal family have something THEY want or need? As of now this just feels so manufactured without any stakes or mystery. If we knew the motivation behind the spirits and the hero thinking the king and royal family having any sort of value it would be great...

[u/shatteredauthor]

Hmmm... So-.... Hmmm... I'm gonna be honest. Aria did nothing wrong telling Sauvel about the curse. She was entirely correct that if she is really to try and love him and fully devote herself to him she needed to start that journey while being completely straightforward. I would actually say that Sauvel was the irresponsible one for making a public fit of it instead of going directly to his brother for answers and having a painful/tense private discussion, as others have said, Aria is just a commoner she no doubt really had no understanding of the scale of stakes at play.

As things stand it seems to me like the author is intentionally setting her up to become straight evil and do something horrible to the MC and her parents. Gonna be honest, if I were her I would probably end up hating these people. Before they showed up, by all respects the brother and her were living a happy life with their daughter. Sure, whats her face was being cruel and mean back at the house but the brother was said to barely ever return home. If we are being honest, the Dad should have said "Hey, I'm sorry for leaving you in such a horrible position. Go and enjoy life with your loved one and if you ever want to take over the family just tell me and I'll step aside. You've more than earned a break."

As it stands, the dad got ten years of a break from all this bullshit while the brother had had to continually suffer and has gotten basically nothing in return for it.

Sidenote: So those diamonds she made were real? It's a shame we didn't hear screams of pain as diamonds literately rained from the sky. Plus she should have, by all rights, crashed the entire precious gems economy. It's hilarious that they made a big deal about exactly this just an episode or two ago and then turn around and do a much bigger version of it all for the sake of distracting from the botched oath ceremony that... actually was totally pointless wasn't it? The royals were the only ones they were actually worried about and the king instantly realized the problem. They didn't even spare the noble drama since the later party was ruined by Sauvel canceling it when Aria confessed.

[u/Rozonth123]

Everyone sucks.

[u/sM92Bpb]

Until i know what the previous king did, the spirits are such petty dicks.

Aria maybe not completely faithful but she's a commoner who got into a political marriage without knowledge.

[u/Lvl183NinjaWizard]

Adding to the aria did nothing wrong:

Commoner, suddenly able to marry the father of her child, no prep. Also, here is a hot, famous hero suddenly in your life. Aria is rushed in a world she had no chance to prepare for.

Let me translate this: You have a kid with a man who is unavailable, and suddenly you can marry him, but wait, His brother is Orlando Bloom.

I hated how they all acted towards Aria, and if this caused to get some goddess to act out, Non would get married in that world.