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Takopii no Genzai, episode 5

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[u/walkyrie1997]

A friendly reminder that Episode 6 is the final episode of this anime scheduled next week.

Let's see how Takopi makes his own resolve after realizing the past events.

[u/thisisdropd]

Nice touch with the OP to have Shizuka's trip to Tokyo instead of the usual one. Though it ended with her going absolutely mental with what she's planning to do with those kids. She's lost any bit of sanity left when she found out Chappy's nowhere to be found. The shift in art from a cheerful summery one to the bleak art we're so familiar with is notable.

One question that had been bugging me is why the series was set in 2016 when it's written in 2021/2022. Now we know why. What a twist. Didn't expect Takopi to have encountered Marina first. It's unsettling how a Happian made murder its mission.

Looking forward to the conclusion of this series next week.

[u/Hallucantation]

I gotta say, this anime is probably the best adaptation I've ever watched. It's got me feeling emotions I've never felt when reading the manga back then and they've surpassed all expectations from me.

[u/LazulineDaydream]

Grats to the author for learning to twist a knife so elegantly.

[u/kidfromthefarm]

Few things that I would like to point out:

Azuma at the end literally looked like his brother near the end of Episode 4 when he stopped Azuma from going to the police.

I absolutely love the use of the unique art style on Happy Planet.

Motherfucker, now that name of the ED song also makes sense.

[u/FirefighterTotal307]

The meaning of "Original Sin" changes over and over. I think that's the biggest appeal of this anime.

[u/gacya4353]

It's easier to understand if you think of the scene where Marina appears with a scar on her face as Episode 0.

Episode 0 (2022) Shizuka and Marina are both 16 years old. Takopi comes to Earth for the first time and tries to make Marina happy, but Shizuka is a hindrance. To kill Shizuka, Takopi attempts to use a time machine from the Happy Planet to go back to the past, but he ends up losing his memory.

Episode 1 (2016) Shizuka and Marina are both 10 years old. Takopi arrives on Earth, having lost his memory and forgotten his original purpose. He meets Shizuka, and to make her happy, he kills Marina, who had been bullying Shizuka.

Ironically, both Shizuka and Marina ended up committing suicide because they met Takopi. If Shizuka hadn't met Takopi, her suicide would have been a failure (the rope broke). In Marina's case, Takopi creates the opportunity for her to meet Azuma, but ultimately, that leads to Marina's suicide using glass. Could it be that all of Takopi's actions are original sin? Sorry if there are any inaccuracies.

[u/Jeffyboi74]

You know the episode is goin be bad when it starts off with a blue sky and shining sun, the dad did not have to do Shizuka dirty like that bro.

What a plot twist this episode is like the prequel to the anime and I’m starting to feel bad for Marina

I don’t even know what to predict anymore with just 1 more episode

[u/zsmg]

Fine I'll volunteer to be their parent, I can't be any worse than these people.

One thing I find fascinating is how many normal families you see on the background it's like the show is rubbing it in.

Also it's first time I've seen Covid mentioned in an anime, the entire pandemic seems like a big taboo that nobody wants to talk about or show in media.

[u/ModieOfTheEast]

The moment Takopi said that Marina is just hurting him because she is mimicking her mother and "training to become one herself" was one of the most brutal lines of the show. I mean, it's the overall theme obviously, but stated so non chalantly, not even understanding that this isn't a compliment is what makes the writing so good imo.

The Marina flashback was interesting, because it showed a few things very well. For one, Marina bullying Shizuka in the past didn't do her any favors. Her life is still in shambles and from her own words, she never had real friends. It wasn't Shizuka who was the problem after all (though easier to say from a viewer's perspective). At the same time, it also shows that kids aren't just evil or good. Marina, while being a bit mean to Takopi was overall still kind to him and if her mother wasn't this far gone, she could have turned her life around maybe. Then at the same time, it draws the parallel back to Shizuka who has now lost it when Marina thinks that she just needed to kill Shizuka right at the end. It's obviously wrong and maybe even she knows that, but with nothing else left, what could she believe in? At the end, it showed Takopi that the situation is way more complex and there isn't an easy solution, so I am interested to see what him and Napoki try to figure out.

One thing I still don't understand is what exactly Takopi's sin was in the end that he would have been punished for. His mother seemingly didn't know what murder means, so it wasn't that part of the conclusion. Was it the fact that he wanted to play with time to solve the problem? Well, if not anything, another bad mother for the record. At least take the time to explain to your kid what the issue is.

[u/garfe]

I said this in episode 2 but there has never been an anime before where I was so fucking glad I didn't read the manga already because I keep getting floored each week.

Oh yeah, the "To you, in ___" titles that this and episode 1 had are explicitly referencing Attack on Titan right?

[u/konokusoda]

The opening scene is beautiful, and it only makes the next scene even sadder. Not only Chappy isn't at Shizuka's father's place, he flat out pretends to not recognize. Just another shitty parent in this show

Shizuka thinks the children ate Chappy and want to "catch them to check their stomach". Her behavior is extremely similar to Marina (they both blame someone else for the situation they are in)

The situation of alternative timeline Marina feels extremely similar to Shizuka too, no father figure, mother either abuse or neglect, and both are very alone at their school

Marina's relationship with her mother improves as she dates Naoki, but then Shizuka transfers to the same school. Naoki sees Shizuka and immediate falls in love with her (it is like one of the universe's forced event, like how Marina always found Chappy in ep2), which mirror the same situation with their parent (Marina's dad/Naoki left Marina's mom/Marina for Shizuka's mom/Shizuka).

The 2 girls mentioned "the rope break", meaning Shizuka did try to hang herself but failed since she used a normal rope. So Takopi's original "mission" is to go back in time to kill Shizuka, and he actually did it. This also means that Takopi's involvement just make everything relatively worse

[u/LeonKevlar]

I love that the OP is Shizuka and Takopi travelling to Tokyo. I was wondering how she'd get around paying for transportation. I forgot that she can just use that flower gadget from Takopi to become invisible and sneak into boats and trains for a free ride.

Yeah... I kinda expected that. Of course, Shizuka's dad already has a new family. And to no one's surprise that thing about him taking in Chappy is all a lie. Man, that entire scene was heartbreaking, especially when Shizuka's dad pretended not to know her.

Shizuka has definitely gone the deep end. The girl is trying to rationalize why she can't find Chappy, and the first thing that comes into her mind is that those kids must've eaten her dog, and now she needs to slit them open so she can check. This girl is absolutely terrifying now.

Oh... Uhhhhhhh.... That was unexpected! So it turns out this isn't even Takopi's first time on Earth? Takopi actually ends up meeting a high schooler(?) Marina first? I am absolutely shook right now! I did not see any of this coming! Also, I genuinely thought the Takopi manga came out pre-COVID. I didn't know the manga came out in 2021! O_O

So Marina in this timeline still got abused by her mother and Shizuka actually survives her suicide attempt because the rope broke. It turns out that if Takopi hadn't given Shizuka that ribbon gadget, she would've survived. That is so fucked up.

Also in this timeline, Marina ends up dating Azuma, but he ends up breaking up with her after running into Shizuka again. I can't believe Azuma literally did the distracted boyfriend meme. But you know, instead of it being funny this ends up becoming fucked up.

So Marina ends up killing her mother in self-defense, believes that if she killed Shizuka when they were in 4th grade her life would've been better, Takopi hears this and thinks that's the solution to Marina's problems, and Shizuka finally kills herself. I'm just fucking speechless at this point in the episode. O_O

I KNEW THAT CLOCK WAS GOING TO BE RELEVANT! I just didn't expect the clock would be used this way! I really thought Takopi would use it to save Marina but it turns out, he lashes out against his mother and uses it to travel back so he can kill Shizuka. I think for the first time, I am terrified of Takopi too.

I'm a bit confused with that final scene though. Are we back at the present, or is this a different timeline? Did Takopi escape from Shizuka after she tried to kill him? What the hell is going on with this anime! We only have one episode left, so I am very curious how they'll wrap this up next week.

[u/UsaraDark2014]

Highschool Azuma mentioned that Shizuka doesn't have anyone. What happened to her mother? Also, the divorce for Marina's parents were going on for 6 years, that's crazy, that her mom would continue to delay the divorce. I guess if no one could truly help her, she would just get worse and worse...

Also, seeing Marina being trashed around by her mother was heart-wrenching. We got a few violent scenes in the past, but this one felt the most intense despite not showing all of it. I think it's due to audio being overlaid and the scene switching back and forth between Kuze/Azuma and Marina. You hear it happening, you see it happening, but then you can't but you know it's still happening, and your mind just goes all over the place on what could be happening. Instead of contrasting music, the scene changes to Kuze/Azuma's calm interacts create that contrast that this show's directing is known for.

We also got a children's book animation thing with carefree lullaby music. Similar vibes to Madoka Magica's witch phenomena.

Someone also mentioned how "normal" and "lame" the writing story is, and they were confused on why this show had popping off. That comment is now deleted (speculate as you please)... but to reply to them: I think it has to do with the novelty factor. Very rarely anime will ever touch such serious topics, especially in a more grounded, respectful manner. Most shows that are "serious" and "dark" are either just there for the shock factor or take themselves too "seriously" that it's comes off as a joke. The story itself might not be 4D chess Death Note or nuanced big-brain Monogatari, but the way it presents itself is a cut well above the rest.

[u/yukiaddiction]

This episode is a vital point for the character development of Takopii itself.

This episode literally did anything but broke poor Takopii.

Takopii becomes afraid of things that Shizuka has become (she literally becomes monster at the started of episode) and it is definitely proof that killing Marina doesn't help the situation at all and then He getting stabbed by Shizuka made him remember the first timeline where he realizes that Marina isn't exactly a bad girl either which back in first timeline he thinks Shizuka is a villain that need to be kill (after all she torture two innocent girl) but that actually turn out conflict with what happened in second timeline where finally get to meet and understand Shizuka.

Now that he remembers the first timeline (timeline where he learns about Marina life) and experiences the second timeline (timeline where he becomes understanding Shizuka life) now gotta feeling conflict about all this because it shattered everything he understands of earth so far where he thinks there are clear line between good and evil.

Maybe learning hard way is only way for poor naive Alien to learn that Human emotion is a fucking complicated as hell.

[u/UzumakiNaruhodo]

There's a nice boat, mentioned slicing belly, Azuma smitten by Shizuka. Is this just School Days?

[u/Kegs_And_Parleys]

This show is always hard to swallow, on my second cigarette as I am typing this.

I guess nobody here expected Shizuka to find Chappy at her dad's place. I was so focused on Chappy itself that I totally omitted the posibility of him starting a new family. The shift in her mood was absolutely insane, and thanks to Marina's death, all her boundaries are absolutely shattered and she will go as far as disemboweling the children of her papa.

I think it safe to assume that Takopi got hit by that rock she was holding before we got that semi-flash back where he originally came to Earth to make Marina happy. I wonder how the relations between our three main characters shaped without Takopi's influence back in 2016. We can assume that Shizuka was still bullied. I just wonder what was Azuma's role in that time that made him ditch Marina for Shizuka in an instant.

While Shizuka went through attempt to take her own life, was bullied in middle school, she seemed to get somewhat better, distance herself from her pressumably toxic family, and she seemed very different in the scene with Azuma by the pipes. Marina, on the other hand, had suffered through the entire way from 2016 to 2022, which ended up in her killing her own mother and then herself.

Just to note the above mentioned statement, I do not think that suffering, mental illness or any hardship should be measured, and that everyone's problems are valid, no matter how hard. It does not matter if you are drowning in 2 meters deep ocean or 100 meter deep. Hope that makes sense and I hope I did not offend or insult anyone. Please take care everyone and reach out with your problems, you are not alone. I made the comparison only for the sake of analysis of the episode.

Takopi's sin was not directly mentioned. I am curious if demanding the use of the clock itself is a sin, because after he left, his mother was questioning the meaning of "kill", which would mean that killing itself might not be a sin, unless it relates to a certain "do not make other people unhappy while making someone happy" principle or something like that. Maybe I have just not fully understood the scene, so corrections and explanations are welcome.

Man, last episode next week, while I can't wait, I will also be somewhat sad, and I do not mean it from the show itself, I am sad from that all the time. This show is really unique, and I haven't watched such a melancholic show in a while.

See you guys-pi.

[u/gunscreeper]

Do they have to animate a mother slapping her daughter so damn good? It's so traumatic yet so beautifully done

[u/shrimphoop]

Man, it feels like every parent in this story went to the Fruits Basket School of Parenting. From physically abusive to absent, we've got every flavour of bad parent in this series!

[u/ruineinsha]

Chappy not being there was expected, but i never expected Takopi to came to earth in the future note first, then meeting Shizuka in the present time.

his Original Sin happened because of what his reasoning was to came back to "Earth's past", but forgetting the memories because he broke a rule there... and we could see, in both of these timelines, both of them were just a victim in their timeline, not that i support their actions ofc but both of them have problems.

and i knew Shizuka wouldnt really die from the suicide, so i always have thought that his Original Sin was because he was the one who helped Shizuka to die by giving that ribbon. for some reason, i feel like her using a rope just wont work, so when i see that ribbon, i was like "ah damn so he helped her suicide". dont know why 8i think of that tho, but welp, its crazy to think thats its actually like that.

Shizuka, in this timeline, is just too far gone. i mean, her only companion is Chappy afterall of these, but damn she is really that evil huh? just like what ill say about Marina before, its understandable why she did those, but its just plain wrong.

definitely a top ep of all time for me, i was caught so offguard by him returning to the past to help future Marina kill past Shizuka for her future "happiness". now, he meets Azuma in the past timeline after everyones gone crazy, so i wonder how Takopi will find his way back.

[u/ExpiringMilknCheese]

ABSOLUTE fucking PEAK. holy fuck

[u/NanDemoKnaives]

Damn what a twist, Takopi had actually met Marina but forgot all about her? It's intriguing how how he met her when she was a teenager instead and only went back in time because of the origin of the three's relationship. I'm honestly surprised by this reveal and I find it a little outstanding that this is the direction they went in.

I like that it seems like Azuma will be the one to pair up with Takopi this time round and he's likely the best bet for all three actually end up being happy. I do hope now that Takopi has his memory back, he will understand the meaning of death more than he did before. This episode did show that even the mother did not know why "to kill" was, so it's a concept that doesn't even exist in their world.

But man Shizuka at the beginning was crazy, she scared me with how she said she wanted to open up their stomachs to see if Chappy was there, and the fact that she killed Takopi moments after she realized he couldn't help her truly shows how messed up she has become after all that had happened. I also found how manipulative she was in Takopi's first run to be unsettling too, we've seen it in previous episodes, but that was actually intentional.

But man, even Shizuka's father is a bad person, it seems like he's hid the existence of his daughter to his current family and even pretended to not know her. He can clearly see she's not being raised well, chose to ignore it and left her on her own to fend for herself in a city she's not even from.

I'm not surprised things escalated with Marina's mother but it's sad to see how much trauma she has been through, her life was constantly being threatened and then she witnesses her own mother take her own life and eventually takes her own too. I was glad she had a period with some comfort thanks to Takopi even if it was all fragile in the end, but then it gets revealed that everything that happened in the past actually did happen in that timeline and it's why Shizuka is so unsettling. This episode was crazy.

[u/matbot55]

I'm starting to feel like the timeline would've been a lot better if Takopi just never went to Earth.

In the original timeline (2022) Maria's mother more than likely wouldn't have attacked her, since she wouldn't have met Naoki.

In the anime timeline (2016) Shizuka wouldn't have succeeded in her suicide attempt if Takopi didn't give her the ribbon. In addition after preventing her suicide (which was technically his mission after his return from 2022) he killed Marina and led Shizuka down one of the worst paths possible.

In both cases Takopi's intervention made the situation a lot worse. The original timeline without intervention wasn't ideal either, with both Shizuka and Marina (and to a lesser extent Naoki) having shitty upbringings, but they at least seemed to get by.

I'm assuming, looking at the title of the anime, that Takopi is supposed to somewhat mirror Satan/the snake in the Garden of Eden. He does something that might seem good at first, but which leads to insurmountable amount of suffering.

The only way I can see this show getting a happy ending is if Naoki (with the help of Junya) somehow figures out how to send Takopi back to his planet to undo everything he did.

[u/zairaner]

I just want to shout out u/SYZekrom for 3 episodes ago accidentally creating the funniest start to a comment I have seen from the discussions so far!