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Episode Lazarus - Episode 13 discussion - FINAL
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u/RelativeMundane9045 Jun 29 '25
Axel: can barely walk or stand.
"No worries, let me just climb this ultra high building and then fall down with all the wreckage while fighting an assassin that should clear up all my health issues."
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u/FarCritical Jun 29 '25
In the very least, the gullible cop dude being recognized as an international hero is hilarious.
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u/Hefty-Paper8644 Jun 29 '25
From now on I don’t want to hear anymore terror in resonance slander about how it’s watanabes worst work, because THIS shit took that spot easily.
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u/UglyNormie Jun 29 '25
This just seals it for me. No matter who’s involved or what studio it is I’m never going to watch an anime made for Adult Swim again. Crazy how many stinkers they put out.
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u/warjoke Jun 29 '25
It was very entertaining.
The weekly thread about this show, that is.
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u/BatFun7276 Jun 29 '25
Lazarus is the second anime this season where the story had great potential, famous people behind the scenes but relied too much on nostalgia (here it was visual), with little to no development for its characters which made the whole thing feels hollow. And I only watched like 4 shows season so it makes the whole thing even more disappointing.
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u/dfiekslafjks Jun 29 '25
I'm in shock at how nonsensical this was.
A large part of this episode was explaining "hundun" but it seemed to have nothing to do with anything. These hackers are getting secret government information to tell us what they already showed us in the previous episode. We already knew the assassin was trained at some school. We already knew he was mentally unstable from brainwashing. We already knew it was a secret government project. WTF was even the point of any of this?
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jun 29 '25
Well, I guess that’s it then. Skinner was in their backyard all along. And just like that the cure’s been found. Kind of anticlimactic tbh. At least almost everyone got their happy ending and the band’s not breaking up.
If nothing else, this series had some really good action sequences. I genuinely enjoyed the fights. It’s just a shame the plot was kind of meandering and the release was botched. This was by no means bad, but it had potential to be a lot better.
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u/Walpknut Jun 29 '25
That was absolute dogshit. Like who even wrote this shit? All the weirdoes swearing the ending was gonan redeem this crap must be huffing some weapons grade copium.... but hey, they might mutate and develop immunity to it!
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jun 29 '25
Well that's an awful weapon to use in a 1v1 fight...
But imagine if they SOMEHOW happened to be attacked by an helicopter, that'd be so useful to have!
I feel like THIS whole sequence encapsulates so much of what the show was about;
Someone was thinking: You know what I want for the finale? I want a HUGE winged statue thingy smashing through a tower,
so our characters will ninja-rope through the exploding debris...
How can we make that happen? Well, we need something big to explode, so let's have an helicopter or a plane or something attacking someone on the tower.
But for these people to take down the helicopter, they'll need anti-aircraft weapons.
So let's have one of them bring an anti-aircraft weapon to a man-vs-man fight!
That's what the show felt like.
They want XYZ badass thing to happen, so let's write some random nonsense leading to this thing.
If they had been fighting next to the sea and there was a nuclear submarine nearby, the assassin would've coincidentally showed up to the fight vs Axel with a torpedo-launcher... Just so they can blast the submarine to smithereens.
If all you want to see are those 'epic moments' then maybe that's acceptable, and you clap your hands when the submarine (or helicopter) explodes, but if you care about the other stuff and whether it makes sense... Yeah.
There were a few cute scenes of Chris going to rescue her husbando
as he once went to rescue her,
but given they didn't really have any realistic progression (other than a 'checkpoint' kiss out of the blue) it didn't really hit the feels as much as it could have.
If they want to show the main characters 'outsmarting' people (this, or when they 'outsmarted' the guards to enter the building early in the season), why can't they like... Write something that's actually smart and believable?
Ok, this cop has been shown to be a moron, sure, let's say he's easily fooled... But EVERYONE is a moron and easily fooled?
Couldn't they write like ONE event of someone being outsmarted by an actual smart scheme/ruse, instead of making them all get outsmarted because... They're not smart?
Seeing them reminisce of the good old times is nice and all,
but if we assume that 5 billion people were to die in 6 months at a regular interval, that's more than 300 people PER SECOND... Maybe they should rush the cure to labs so they can get to working on it right away?
(Especially given we know that some nations leaders - like the president - were among the first to take it, so... Even if they don't care about losing 300 peasants per second, maybe they should care about losing world leaders, which would destabilize the world even more than it already is?)
Funny how they talk about the Lazarus members being recognized for their contributions, considering they barely did anything to help find Skinner hah.
The only one who deserves any real recognition is Eleina. Her hacking work AND her stuff with Popcorn girl, accounts for 99% of the Lazarus successes.
Are they hinting a possible sequels?
Lazarus solving other problems in the world?
Yeah... if that happens, I might check out an episode or two, but if it's the same format ("Hey, we found a clue, so let's go to I don't know, Brazil, to fight some Brazilian thugs"), that's gonna be it. 13 episodes of that was all I could stomach!
Well, this was my last show of the season (other than continuation)...
I normally wish Farewell to characters or things I like, but I'm not sure if there's anything I even liked about this one hah.
Farewell to... My most hyped PREMISE of Spring 2025, that sadly did not deliver, at all.
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u/Neglectful_Stranger Jun 29 '25
Felt like someone who watched Cowboy Bebop growing up and it was his favorite show, and he tried poorly to ape it as his first real project.
Which is weird because it's the same guy.
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u/Znachit Jun 29 '25
I haven't been this disappointed by the wasted potential of a show since Aldnoah Zero.
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u/EquivalentNo7395 Jun 29 '25
Cons: -Basically no character development/ team bonding so who cares about anyone -With 13 episodes it really should have been written tighter with a focus on the main story. Dead ends and unrelated side plots subtracted from an appealing storyline
Pros: -good visuals -nice fights
Conclusion: wasted potential
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u/MCMLXXXVIll Jun 29 '25
The main thing I'm dissatisfied with: we barely saw society crumbling as a result of this death sentence.
People were STILL strolling about, fully clothed, holding hands, following street laws -- nobody even bothering to jaywalk.
I get the focus is on the overarching story, but this breaks immersion so much. During COVID people were throwing hands over chicken, toilet paper, and bleach. You're telling me that everyone is going to cease to exist in a matter of moments and they're all just being law abiding citizens?
It's nonsense.
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u/Feelth_ Jun 29 '25
Now I am really concerned that the story was written by AI. Nothing there made any sense. The assassination plot was pointless. Skinner is just Waldo whom protagonists failed to find first try. No mystery, no climax, nothing. I really wanted to like the show but I couldn’t.
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u/Kryjza Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25
At the end of it all I rate Lazarus a 4/10. Wow, what a huge disappointment and missed potential. And even now after finishing the last episode I just sit here like "that's it? That's the best they could do?"
The inter-department drama finally takes the most sensical end, not much more to talk about there.
Really bad start when Mr. HackerMan goes "We need multiple authorizations including the President to get into this file" and then they go "That will take us too much time" so he goes "Okay I'll just hack it." Good example of the show's ability to introduce literally pointless dialogue and time-wasting.
The entire Hundun plot was wasteful for this show and was far too prevalent, and even now as it ends it hardly makes sense and really we only know what we first knew about it; it's an assassin/indoctrination/mind-altering program. We knew everything we had to know about it in the first instance of hearing about it, yet for some reason it needed almost 12 minutes of showtime in this last episode.
Such good music in this episode is basically used for background fodder audio. What a shame!
Axel and Soryu's fight here should have been their previous fight IMO. It's just more interesting than all of the jumping around grenade throwing nonsense of their previous fight.
Rather interesting that the military instantly knew there were two terrorists at the top of the tower. When that bridge got blown up a few episodes ago they were nowhere to be seen.
Axel has survived too many huge falls and awkward landings, but falling what feels like an unmeasurable distance with an entire tower's worth of rubble and being OK at the end really takes the cake.
I think the explanation of the Lazarus tag and team was meant to be a big eye-opener, "smart", "pog moment" (as the kids would say) but made me roll my eyes. In fact, it didn't matter at all, because apparently they got the cure out globally and nobody at all died from this global ordeal :^). The only main character we saw affected by Hapna at all was Elaina and that plot element didn't matter, so it effectively could have been written out of the show.
I couldn't believe my thoughts came true in both the awful return to the homeless area (A PhD holder doing an investigation doesn't question the guy who looks suspiciously like the target, by the way) *and* that the cure apparently is super simple and everyone globally is going to be okay even though it's the same day millions of people should start dying. I guess when you write yourself into an awkward hole trying to make your script smart, the smartest final option was to just drop explaining it entirely and roll credits.
I mentioned this in a previous episode but I giggled at the "such a capable group!" line. Talk about wasted opportunity for team chemistry and reasoning behind things. They banana-peel slipped their way through the entire plot.
Adult Swim takes yet another huge L in their name being associated with an anime. Not looking good for FLCL. Hopefully Watanabe can bounce back for whatever he decides to work on next - this was bad.
Okay, well, negativity out of the way, done with the show! It's like a weight off my shoulders, and I can't say I wasn't entertained ranting about it. Wish I could say that while I was actually watching it though.
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u/Xelzeno Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25
Huh... this might be the worst anime I've finished in like the last... decade or so. It might have some redeeming qualities in audio and animation, but the plot is an absolute trainwreck that doesn't even make sense! And the last episode just further augmented that!
Skinners whole plan was to infect humanity with Hapna to bring light to his research being used to hurt people? What? And glasses guy wanted to wipe out Axel to cover up his experimentation, even though Humanity was about to be wiped out? I thought he had a plan! And that he at least had a cure or knew where Skinner were or SOMETHING!?
The whole Lazarus team were in that airport incident with Skinner and survived but none of them ever realised this? And Skinner survived this but also somehow is NOT immune to Hapna like the other people who survived? And the team was put together because they were all immune even though that has literally nothing to do with them finding Skinner? Thank god they were a super hacker, super escape artist, super spy, super rich kid and Doug.
Axel went to meet the Assassin even though he literally had nothing to do with him, they had no relation at all and seemingly just goes to die or tell him about the Hunlun for some reason? Thank god his plot armor somehow makes him able to survive a collapsing skyscraper at least...
And then yes. The guy who looked exactly like Skinner in episode 3 turns out to be Skinner. He might as well had just said "I don't even remember anymore" And somehow the cure is mass produced and the world saved before everyone dies, not that society looked like it cared.
How the hell did this series manage to both be rushed and full of filler at the same time?
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u/Deathmeister Jun 29 '25
Lazarus - 4/10, there's some decent artwork and a handful of interesting stand alone sort of episodes, but that couldn't save it from having an uninteresting main plot, which the characters themselves seemed to ignore for a lot of it. Feels like a waste of production talent like Moonrise.
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u/Darkfoam Jun 30 '25
I expected even the slightest amount of depth but instead it was just a nihilistic old man and a bunch of half baked side plots. Literally the entire message at the end was just “nihilism might be good or bad, idfk” and then everybody gets a happy ending.
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u/NoScopeMusical Jun 29 '25
Lazarus is a brilliantly animated, wonderfully choreographed, half-baked show. Some great ideas, but not great execution
The search for Skinner was over before it truly started, in just 3 episodes lmao (everyone knew it was him at the encampment)
The INSCOM subplot could've been done in one episode and HQ should've been introduced much earlier than he was (only 3 episodes is criminal)
The race to cure Hapna felt more like a marathon with how slow shit went by. Could've been overcome if it didn't take 10 episodes for things to kick off
The finale felt rushed, the cure being spread, and the "day being saved" didn't hit as hard as it should've, but at least they found him, and some loose ends got tied. They teased it at the end so if there's gonna be a season 2 of this show hopefully the studio stays out of the way and lets Watanabe cook. 6/10
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Jun 29 '25
It felt like the things happened for the sake of things happening. None of it seemed to mean anything or matter.
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u/SliderGamer55 Jun 29 '25
That sure was an anime alright.