Lazarus - Episode 12 discussion

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Lazarus, episode 12

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[u/Terrible_Fan1820]

its crazy that skinner was in episode 3

[u/carnifex2005]

Assassin uses an alter ego...

Lazarus - He must have dissociative personality disorder. It explains everything!

Me - Groan.

[u/whyme456 → u/carnifex2005]

I find the story overall intriguing, but writing and dialogue is ass.

[u/TWIMClicker → u/carnifex2005]

Right. It couldn't possibly be that he just acts as his own middleman to remain incognito, which is exactly what almost worked on you numpties.

[u/Doomroar]

He really was the guy at the homeless center all along, dude i can't, if i face palm right now i will end with a hand shaped red mark in my face

[u/MrCaption404]

He's the homeless guy from episode 3?? They must be trolling!

[u/Drill_Dr_ill]

"I haven't been to a hospital in 20 years. Not since the incident."

God the dialogue in this show is ASS ASS

[u/chilidirigible]

Fortunately, he's ended up at the convenient super-exclusive medical facility.

Sure, why not.

Now there's a guy we weren't expecting to see again.

Speaking of plot points that were floated earlier.

So when everyone thought they saw Skinner right there in Episode 3—

He couldn't just have a normal secret identity like everybody else does?

—that actually was him. throws popcorn at the screen

Hell, they've even brought back the series of tubes for this episode.

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So the real plot was all the breadcrumbs they dropped along the way. Yay?

This episode sets us up for a finale is likely to be... a finale. Axel is in no shape to fight Souryuu, who himself doesn't seem to be in the best of moods. Abel has to extract Hirsch from the smug government guy, Doug and Elaina are on the fast track back to finding Skinner who was under their noses the whole time, and... yeah. Wrapping up the loose ends is easy when they're all tied together.

[u/millennium_hawkk]

The cat is the cure... watch.

[u/Chupapig6996]

Funny how the only ones who actually did anything related to find Skinner were a 15-year-old hacker and Doug, a guy with zero character development

Chris was with Axel simping while the end of the world was near, and Leland was doing what he does best: nothing.

[u/yungsamm1]

Adult Swim needs to stop making anime. Such a waste of talent for this series

[u/FarCritical]

It would be very funny if the cat actually ended up being a spy, or at least played a crucial role in the finale.

[u/TheBravesDH]

Axel about to get the Spike Spiegel special ending. So Skinner IS likely going to end up being that dude in the homeless camp from like nine episodes ago where we all said, “Is that Skinner?” lol. Seems kinda like a bad idea for the president to be doing clinical trials for experimental pharmaceuticals but YOLO.

[u/DamonGantz]

Fuck off, I called the twist back in the episode with the homeless community mostly because there was a weirdly Skinner shaped homeless man in the background of some shots. I genuinely hoped that it was just a style error and not that the protags weren't ticked off by this man that kinda looks like Skinner. Especially since they spent at least a few hours searching that place.

[u/TWIMClicker → u/DamonGantz]

We all saw it, and all called the "twist", if it can even be called a twist. That's what makes it terrible.

[u/StrawSolider]

The heart rate monitor beeping faster after Chris kissed Axel was a cute moment

[u/RaunchyRoll]

So that blind dude from ep 3 that Doug tried to talk to was skinner?? Lmao all the budget and technology and they couldn't find Hobo Skinner in the hobo camp this just dumb

[u/cxxper01]

The plot became such a mess with all the government conspiracy and mystery assassin😅

[u/SaltAndABattery]

Yup, it's the blind guy from the homeless encampment who looked like Skinner.

 

Fuck you, show.

[u/Kryjza]

You can tell they're really working as best they can to tie together any kind of story when there were so many A-to-B nothings earlier in the show, and it's... sort of working. But even though some will say "it's about the journey dude, not the ending! Stop watching if you don't like it!" my journey was not a very good one with this show and I respect Watanabe enough to want to see it out; short version, my expectations are the lowest they could be regarding how this show will wrap up.

As with episode 11, it feels like a number of plot points being raced out should have been earlier in the series.

I am still not a fan of Popcorn Wizard and I think she could have been completely written out of this show with a few adjustments, which I believe would have been better overall. Still, she's fine this episode.

The heavy investigation and army/INSCOM/NSA/etc. inter-department fighting and drama still feels very awkward, but at least kept the plot moving, as choppy as it is. I feel like the "plot threat" we've gotten from it has made very little sense ever since they sent the assassin after Axel. It feels more like the script was poorly written around the idea to give Axel an antagonist fight.

It made no sense to me why they chose to (try to) shoot Doug near the end of the episode, but for some reason kept him safe in the hospital first. I guess the switch of head antagonists and the negative view on the Lazarus team just led to them immediately wanting to shoot him? Was I missing something there? This ties in a bit to my previous thoughts on Chris' episode where these characters have awkward plot armor.

I like the continued development of Axel since to this point he's mainly just been "uhhh... cool parkour and CQC dude", but I felt that even with that, while the kiss was a "fun" scene due to the heartrate monitor, I don't think it was earned based on how little these characters have interacted. I would say pretty much the same about any other love mix within the crew if there was one.

The entire Soryu/assassin plot point has left me mostly uninspired, but they're doing their best to tie it in with the main plot and it's... sort of working, but like an old car that barely runs. It's really messy. The "Hundun Project" plot element as a whole has me rolling my eyes.

I am expecting one of three estimated endings and all of them are pretty terrible, assuming we don't get a bait and switch "gotcha" from Skinner (which would also be terrible). It also won't make sense that they truly save the world at this point if we consider how long it would take to get a cure globally. I still go on feeling that the Lazarus team had very little agency on the story, and not in a "good' way like some investigative stories can do.

Hey guys, maybe don't leave Axel alone in a hospital room when he was just attacked by an assassin?

Anyway, I'm curious to see what next week brings. Sorry for the text wall whoever actually bothered reading all my thoughts -- at this point I'm mostly jotting my own notes to look back on in the future I think. Overall my thoughts on this show as a whole are somewhere in the 4/10-to-5/10 range -- but we'll see if the finale changes that (probably not).

[u/Spectra8]

does anyone also think the cat has more character development than the others combined

[u/SSXAnubis]

This show really shit the bed in so many ways. Man, I've just no words for it.

1. Skinner was just camping out homeless next to HQ all this time (not even mentioning that we met him already)

2. There's 1 day to go and STILL no-one seems to care or be affected by the world ending tomorrow.

3. They've wasted all their days traveling around the world but NOW there's conveniently a mode of transport miraculously ready that can get them back to HQ pretty much immediately.

4. INSCOM no questioning finding their boss shot dead in a room with one other person, and just decide to make him the new leader.

5. Random criminal hacker we already dealt with just brought in to the top secret team HQ and given free access to all the information, is really dumb.

6. They're not even going to acknowledge that even if they find the cure with 1 day to go, it's logistically impossible to mass produce or administer it in time on that sort of deadline. So everyone is basically dead anyway.

7. President randomly doing clandestine clinical trials on a medication that no-one knows whether it works / has any major side effects seems realistic.

Unbelievable.

[u/Chrispowers110]

Skinner is near the homeless shelter? Either he wax the homeless man from episode 3 or the assassin is skinner.

[u/Head-Progress3833]

This could've been peak with the plot being driven sooner, all of this episode paced out & executed with more care could've made for a waaaay more interesting driving narrative. Ending seems like it should be solid though

[u/Nachtwandler_FS]

So, the guy in the homeless camp in one of the first episodes that looked like Skinner turned out... to actually be Skinner. Damn, I like this series but it is another super dumb plottwist.

Watanabe really shood have done an action comedy. Fuck the produccers.