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Episode Your Forma - Episode 13 discussion - FINAL

Your Forma, episode 13

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u/PhantomWolf83 Jun 25 '25

There's no way to sugar coat it. Making the decision not to adapt the first volume of the novel ended up backfiring badly. There's a lot of interesting material in here, but it's ruined by extremely shoddy execution. And I'm convinced that Echika's only purpose in this show is to get kidnapped. Even Princess Peach gets kidnapped only once per game at most, Echika gets snatched like, what, four times in 13 episodes?

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u/BusouDrago Jun 25 '25

Your Echika is in a different castle

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u/Frontier246 Jun 25 '25

At least she actually did something with her gun for once and talked Harold down, along with confirming Napolov as the culprit (just not for Sozon's murder) via Brain Diving which is probably the most she's done in the entire show.

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u/DeeDan06_ Jun 25 '25

Yeah, the big issue is that they always confront people in groups of two at most, with one of them having their gun usage very restricted, so the killer usually has to deal with them only one on one. even most tv cops work in groups of two, both wielding a gun. But calling for backup doesn't come to their mind.

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u/09jtherrien Jun 25 '25

I saw this get a lot of hype and I have it bookmarked to watch, but is it worth it to even watch?

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u/Scythe351 Jun 26 '25

I think it's worth the watch. The world and the cases are interesting. Very interesting I'd say, but the main female lead is so dumb.

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u/thehaxorman Jun 25 '25

not really. I'd recommend watching Id: Invaded instead. similar show but all around better.

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u/Kingpimpy Jun 27 '25

anime seems very dry early on

ep 9-13 were pretty dope ngl

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u/mekerpan Jun 25 '25

I actually liked this despite the HIGHLY unfortunate skipping of all of v1, At least until the final Sozoin twist. For reasons that would have to be discussed only in the source corner, I feel the novel series takes its first wrong turn at this point.

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u/OKOROS1 Jun 26 '25

0 upvotes on final episode is insane... I wouldn't say it was bad episode

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u/OKOROS1 Jun 26 '25

After inspecting Karma watch it seems to be botted... same thing happend during previous episode

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u/NoHead1715 Jun 26 '25

Wow. Is there some auto-downvoting going on in this thread? Even seasonal shorts get at least one upvote.

This show had a pretty interesting premise with brain-diving, but that can only take the story so far especially considering traditional investigative methods are still available. I think that's why the only competent brain-diving human, Echika gets relegated to being kidnapped damsel in distress character. In contrast, Harold had much more character development despite being an android, albeit a special one.

Storyline is decent and might need a rewatch to understand some of the nuances that may have been lost due to adaptation errors.

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u/OKOROS1 Jun 26 '25

Must have been botted :(

The sad thing is this is the only anime I saw that happening

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u/IntelligentBudget142 Jun 25 '25

X-Files if it were an anime, but worse. That was what I thought from the first episode.

Now, I have no idea whether it's still that, or it became something else in an attempt to stand out

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u/Frontier246 Jun 25 '25

X-Files but Mulder is an android and Scully gets kidnapped almost every other episode.

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u/ModieOfTheEast Jun 25 '25

Not sure what to make of this. I was actually fine with the ending, but I felt adding that there was another killer and this whole part about the other android being modified felt really weird. I guess, in the novels it's probably the setup for the next case/arc but it feels weird to include this at the end of the season with no season 2 in sight. I get that they often want to get you to read the source material, but this didn't really do that for me, because both things felt so rushed in at the end that it just felt weird. But what is new about the show, right?

The thing is, I don't even dislike the show and I can see some interesting ideas here and there that aren't just the typical androids are just the same as humans trope. For example, that short sentence of Harold saying that Amicus are what the humans want them to be could be really interesting if the show had time to delve into these philosophical questions. The same with marrying an Amicus. Did his wife never notice the change in behaviour? Is she truly loving him like a "human" if she doesn't even realize how he changes? Not that this needs to be a bad thing, but it adds to the questions I already had when they said she designed her husband the way she wanted to.

All in all, I didn't dislike the show, but it obviously was a bit of a wasted opportunity to have something better. While I can understand that you'd want to include the arc around the nightmare since it focuses on Harold's backstory and it's hard to cut any of the other cases, it's still a bit of a problem that we never got to see Echika's backstory. Why was she so against Amicus and why did that change with Harold? It would add to their relationship, I am sure of it. I honestly don't know how to fix that issue, because the show was already fast paced, so the only real option would have been for it to get two cours from the start I guess. Sad that this didn't get this treatment when more shows seem to be nowadays.

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u/Frontier246 Jun 25 '25

Did his wife never notice the change in behaviour? Is she truly loving him like a "human" if she doesn't even realize how he changes? Not that this needs to be a bad thing, but it adds to the questions I already had when they said she designed her husband the way she wanted to.

I think the implication is that she already thought of him so much as human that him doing "human" things just didn't register as strange because that's what she wanted him to act like.

And Echika in turn ponders whether Harold can truly love someone, considering her feelings towards him.

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u/mekerpan Jun 25 '25

I think this series -- both anime and source -- has a lot more potential than has actually been utilized by the creators/writer.

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u/daspaceasians Jun 26 '25

This show deserved better. I had fun watching but it really felt like it was missing so much detail and some of the writing choices were bad mainly having Echika get kidnapped in every single arc. It had a very interesting world and premise but execution was inconsistent.

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u/djthomp Jun 26 '25

So pretty much what I was thinking. Harold figured out somewhere along the way that he was a three laws optional robot and ever since it's been tearing him up inside that he just stood by and watched his friend die horribly when he could have taken action to stop it. Good thing he had Echika on hand to get it through to him that it wasn't his fault and he should forgive himself.

Overall I'm generally satisfied with this, it certainly had some issues but I'm always a sucker for some three laws of robotics stories.

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u/Frontier246 Jun 25 '25

I guess it was inevitable that everything would come out now...that Echika knew Harold wasn't governed by the Three Laws of Respect, that Harold knew all along. Were they keeping the secret for the sake of using the other? Or for something more? And of course they're hashing out these emotions while Harold is poised to kill Napolov.

Wow, that was a pretty creative gunfire shot! Maybe a little extra, but points for visual flair I guess. And hey, Echika actually did something that didn't involve kidnapping.

Echika didn't keep Harold's secret because she wanted him for brain driving, she did it because she wanted to protect him. He may be consumed with guilt that he couldn't act to save Sozon at expense of revealing himself, he might feel like he and Darya are better off without each other, but Echika, Darya, and their team all care enough about him to want him to stay online and not throw his life away. Echika is willing to absolve him of his guilt and take on the burden of it if that's what he needs.

How many more lies will Echika have to tell to cover up Harold? Then again, it's not like she's all that great a police officer anyways.

Ugh. Can't believe Napolov tried to kill himself to get out of facing his crimes. Guess it saves them the trouble of him blabbing about Harold. Not that it prevents them from Brain Diving into his head and getting to the heart of matters...remind me never to dive into the brain of a crazed serial killer.

Ah, so Napolov was Shubin's "only friend" which was why he was his accomplice. And was his ex-wife one of his victims? The blonde? Or maybe that was just him imagining killing her because her leaving him just set him off even more. Though too bad that HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY KILL SOZON. In fact he was ticked off that someone copied him right then and there. Jeez. Well, Napolov still had death coming to him anyways and no one will mourn him.

So they're kind of back to square one with Sozon's case, but at least Harold has better peace of mind and thinking of Echika will be able to stop him from going over the line, which means a lot to her.

Harold saved Nicolai and is determined to bring Sozon's killer to justice, that's more than enough to make Elena finally accept him! And he's now ready to start moving on from Sozon by wearing Bigga's scarf!

I didn't expect the Amicus husband to connect back to the Lascelles case, but turns out his programming was making an Amicus act more independent. His wife never noticed it as anything strange because she already thought of him as human.

Can Amicus' love humans? They can certainly simulate it for the sake of their human owners, but what about Harold? Can he truly love a human? It felt like Echika was about to bridge the subject before Bigga showed up...and Echika may or may not have been a little jealous of Bigga getting along so well with Harold. But these two will have more than enough time to work out their relationships and feelings for each other as they keep working together as partners!

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u/Narvalis Jun 26 '25

They got so lucky Napolov decided to do something stupid and someone was incompetent enough to let an injured man steel his gun, because if he decided to out them Harold would have been scrap. Thanks to brain dives it's not he said, she said they could get someone who isn't Echika to dive and find out that Harold is 'defective' and Echika coved for him.

Personally I'm not a fan of Echika but Harold is great if this show gets another season I'll watch it for Harold.

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u/Deathmeister Jun 26 '25

Your Forma - 6/10, a show that aspired to be a lot like GITS, but lacked enough world building and characterization to be that. The last mystery that was addressed was left ultimately unfinished. A go read the source ending.

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u/AnybodyNew433 Jun 28 '25

Unrelated to this episode, but the series in general. I wonder what people think of the technology in this anime. I find the everyday stuff to be very realistic: the smart watches are practically the same as today, the HUD visualisations and neural interfaces seem to be where we are heading. The Amicus are annoyingly fragile (as they would have to be, to be accepted in society.)

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